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The image literally shows "Team Red" asking if they should help "Team Blue". A discussion, a division, between groups. The problem faced is an individual one, people don't get to be pre-approved or check what their peers are up to.

There are no teams in this. There's no signaling to others, unlike how we're seeing it in online polls and posts. Each individual must decide on their own with only their own thoughts to guide them.

I'm not making any statements here or answering questions based on these given pictures/polls because in reality I would have none of those things when making this decision.

What all these things are is just people trying to justify their position by either talking about how amazing it makes them look or how demonic it makes the opponent look. They're not reframing the problem in meaningful ways. Not even like the mathematical style breakdowns.

Nobody mentioned "teams" but as I said it assumes (evidently correctly) that there will be people on that track and to avoid anybody on that track dying you can help pull in the direction that leads to nobody dying by risking yourself getting on the track or get off the track and pull in the opposite direction where you make it more likely for those on it to die. This isn't an indication of moral superiority it's just an accurate representation of the problem.

The "shouldn't we help them" was from the original image somewhere and it put it there with the reds. There was also a woman in white on the top right off the track with "fuck them" that I had to erase. Not sure how she ended up there:

 

[Diddy X]

Red ofcourse, where your survival instinct at idiots

 

[John Bilbo]

What all these things are is just people trying to justify their position by either talking about how amazing it makes them look or how demonic it makes the opponent look.

Yes this thread has been mostly justifying your own position. It has been irritating, funny and interesting at the same time. It has really made me wonder how easy it is for the human mind to try to find any mean necessary to justify its position.

 

[Diddy X]

Yes this thread has been mostly justifying your own position. It has been irritating, funny and interesting at the same time. It has really made me wonder how easy it is for the human mind to try to find any mean necessary to justify its position.

Of course you justify what you do, or would you rather go "everything I do is wrong and pointless"

 

[John Bilbo]

Of course you justify what you do, or would you rather go "everything I do is wrong and pointless"

It's good to take a step back every once in a while.

 

[falconhoof]

Nobody mentioned "teams" but as I said it assumes (evidently correctly) that there will be people on that track and to avoid anybody on that track dying you can help pull in the direction that leads to nobody dying by risking yourself getting on the track or get off the track and pull in the opposite direction where you make it more likely for those on it to die. This isn't an indication of moral superiority it's just an accurate representation of the problem.

The "shouldn't we help them" was from the original image somewhere and it put it there with the reds. There was also a woman in white on the top right off the track with "fuck them" that I had to erase. Not sure how she ended up there:

 

[PaddyOCanager]

Blue.

A society with Team Red is not one I want to participate in.

 

[Newari]

This is a strange rewording/reframing that tries to portray your pressing of the red button as some kind of achievement or denial of show of intellect when the original question has no element like that. What's even more bizarre about human behaviour is that if you reframed this through the lens of a bunch of underachievers/criminals most people would not choose red due to a different "virtue" known as camaraderie that should have saved anybody from dying:

The police have no evidence in a case against a mafia/gang. They round up all members and ask them to rat on other members. Those who rat (choose red) dont get any sentences but those who dont may get life sentences if enough rats give evidence. If nobody gives evidence nothing changes and everyone is safe.

Would you sell out other people?

I didn't mean to frame the red that way, oops. The choise is between no risk (red) and potential risk (blue), the no risk is the correct one, but blue is worth it since some people will choose it no matter what and in the end I prefer a world with those people in it.
You are correct saying that the reworking was strange, I tried to say that the wording around the base logic drastically changes how different people approach the question, as I have seen some frame it in a way "if enough people jump in this giant blender it can't blend them, but you can just not jump in" etc. In your expample though, the pool of people affected is very much a different situation.
For the whole world situation, blue is the correct choice if all the possible consequences are considered (I think). I voted red in the poll because I didn't stop to think anything further than my self and I was wrong. If my button press would have been the difference in the 50% blue amount required, I would very much hate the world I created.

 

[Three]

Again this was based on the original image that somebody created. I don't care about teams it's just how they presented the trolley problem with the people wearing their vote colour. I don't know why you have a problem with that. I erased that top right person that Gemini added too i just posted the before image. Should I have changed them to people pressing buttons? It's just a representation of what each vote is doing in this scenario. The original image had red people standing on the sideline when in reality they're pulling against the blues. Don't worry I'm not here to judge anybody's choice.

 

[Coconutt]

Red people the kind of people to say they were not bitten by a zombie only to turn into a zombie later and make it everyone else's problem.

 

[falconhoof]

Again this was based on the original image that somebody created. I don't care about teams it's just how they presented the trolley problem with the people wearing their vote colour. I don't know why you have a problem with that. I erased that top right person that Gemini added too i just posted the before image. Should I have changed them to people pressing buttons? It's just a representation of what each vote is doing in this scenario. The original image had red people standing on the sideline when in reality they're pulling against the blues. Don't worry I'm not here to judge anybody's choice.

It's really down to the entire framing not who is positioned where and in what color. This isn't a trolley problem. Just like this isn't a jump in the blender problem. The trolley problem is a different thing. It's a very important difference and something that people are missing as they're making judgement of others with all these stories. It is what makes this very interesting.

The framing is part of the problem clearly, we've got so much projection going on and as was explained by Tim Urban he thought about things like the color of the buttons, knowing that Red and Blue provoke people. If he'd have said there are two buttons one with a skull and one with a heart, we'd likely see a difference. In fact your mind probably just decided upon which of the colors would be the heart and which the skull.

 

[Idleyes]

Both OT poll on X and Mr. Beast poll were left with BLUE winning - ~220k people sample.

Why are some people so sure that red would always win?

Because choosing red either ensures your survival if not enough people pick blue, or you're still saved if enough choose blue at the cost of the lives that who chose blue. They think it would always win because they're selfish.

I thought it would go more like this

but you've changed my mind.

 

[Idleyes]

It's really down to the entire framing not who is positioned where and in what color. This isn't a trolley problem. Just like this isn't a jump in the blender problem. The trolley problem is a different thing. It's a very important difference and something that people are missing as they're making judgement of others with all these stories. It is what makes this very interesting.

The framing is part of the problem clearly, we've got so much projection going on and as was explained by Tim Urban he thought about things like the color of the buttons, knowing that Red and Blue provoke people. If he'd have said there are two buttons one with a skull and one with a heart, we'd likely see a difference. In fact your mind probably just decided upon which of the colors would be the heart and which the skull.

That was a lot of projections.

 

[nkarafo]

Red people the kind of people to say they were not bitten by a zombie only to turn into a zombie later and make it everyone else's problem.

Blue people are the kind of people who get bitten by a zombie because they couldn't listen to warnings or follow safety rules and then blame everyone else who couldn't prevent it.

 

[Valonquar]

So which end of the Lilliputian egg do the blues & reds break first?

 

[falconhoof]

So which end of the Lilliputian egg do the blues & reds break first?

Anyone who does it big-endian is a psycho. I don't know why, but I'm right and I will forever stand with my little-endain brethren

 

[LarsQMorient]

So, it's either blue or red. So, it's either pushing blue or red. So, it's pushing blue or not pushing blue. So, you can rephrase it as "There is a blue button, and if no one presses it, everyone lives. But if anyone presses it, then at least 50% of all people must press it, or else only those who pressed it die."

 

[Portugeezer]

Instinctively I went for blue.

 

[John Bilbo]

So, it's either blue or red. So, it's either pushing blue or red. So, it's pushing blue or not pushing blue. So, you can rephrase it as "There is a blue button, and if no one presses it, everyone lives. But if anyone presses it, then at least 50% of all people must press it, or else only those who pressed it die."

red devil

 

[LarsQMorient]

So, it's either blue or red. So, it's either pushing blue or red. So, it's pushing blue or not pushing blue. So, you can rephrase it as "There is a blue button, and if no one presses it, everyone lives. But if anyone presses it, then at least 50% of all people must press it, or else only those who pressed it die."

Now, if a small child or an irrational friend or family member presses it and you want to save them, you would have to press blue and hope enough people press it.

 

[Solarstrike]

Glory Red Button!

 

[Bojji]

Glory Red Button!

 

[poppabk]

So, it's either blue or red. So, it's either pushing blue or red. So, it's pushing blue or not pushing blue. So, you can rephrase it as "There is a blue button, and if no one presses it, everyone lives. But if anyone presses it, then at least 50% of all people must press it, or else only those who pressed it die."

Or vice versa "There is a red button - if 50% of people press it then everyone who didn't dies"
In both cases, even with adults with all their faculties, a non-zero number of people will press the button.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

LOL MrBeast found out about this its Joever

 

[Bojji]

LOL MrBeast found out about this its Joever

 

[light2x]

Yes this thread has been mostly justifying your own position. It has been irritating, funny and interesting at the same time. It has really made me wonder how easy it is for the human mind to try to find any mean necessary to justify its position.

That position being an innate, instinctual desire to survive.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[bitbydeath]

I picked red, but not for my survival but for the survival of the human race.

By greatly reducing its population.

 

[falconhoof]

I picked red, but not for my survival but for the survival of the human race.

By greatly reducing its population.

 

[I collect VHS tapes]

Blue is for cucks

 

[Bojji]

 

[John Bilbo]

A bench dedicated to the red devils, by the red devils.

 

[Bojji]

A bench dedicated to the red devils, by the red devils.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

 

[Meicyn]

Peak comedy here. Soft-handed, scared little boys creating memes about hard times.