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F1 2010 out in Septmber
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Goldrusher
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As for the filters and bloom, if the team can't agree, just add a few settings and sliders so the player can decide.
Goldrusher said:
Yep.
The piss filter ruins the atmosphere of F1. The colors get distorted on everything from cars where liveries are such an important aspect to the environment, sky and track side stuff which is also crucial in a game so closely based on real locations.
So give us simple options of piss filter on/off and bloom on/off if nothing else.
Since you have access to screens, can you post some without the "yellow filter" for comparison sake?
Azure Phoenix
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Helios_CM said:
Is it possible to include any "retro" cars, or would that be prevented by the license as well? F1 06 on the PS2 let you unlock a couple of old Williams cars and a Lotus, it'd be a nice addition if this had some unlockable old cars too.
And yes, please pass on the general feeling of hatred for the silly yellow filter to the team. The rain looks stunning, don't run it with that ridiculous urine sunlight in dry races.
brotkasten
Member
AndyD said:
It's not F1 2010, but if you want a screen comparison of a CM game with the piss filter, then Grid should do as well.
Grid vanilla
Grid without the piss filter via mod
Helios, the team should take a look at the pictures and then ask themselves honestly which one looks better. I think the answer is pretty clear.
moojito
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Knowing absolutely nothing about modern game design, you would think the light filter thing could be fixed by just having an option to toggle it on or off, like the film grain in mass effect.
Anyhoo, still looking forward to this, etc
edit: what's this about an xp system? I control-f'd through some pages and read the OP but didn't find any other mention of it.
Anyhoo, still looking forward to this, etc
edit: what's this about an xp system? I control-f'd through some pages and read the OP but didn't find any other mention of it.
Gareth Bale
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Mad_Ban said:It looks so much better without the yellow filter. Please make sure the guys at CM remove it.
I cannot place enough emphasis on how important this is. At the very least include an option to turn off the filter.
Neuromancer
Member
Yeah I don't really care much either way but side by side, the non urine stained ones do look better. Choices and options are never a bad thing.Bungieware said:
Anyone know if they are going to simulate McLaren's F-duct system? Sauber has already copied it, and Ferrari is testing theirs this morning so soon almost every team will be running it. As it's a driver-controlled system I would think it should be simulated and would be pretty fun to use (and keep it an option for those that don't want the added complication).
19Kilo said:
It shouldn't be too hard to implement, it's basically the same as the "tuck-in" option in MotoGP 09/10.
Map on button to "cover the hole with your hand/knee" and stall the rear wing, if you do it on the straights you should gain extra power but if you do it near the braking zones or the corners, you should always suffer the consequences of doing it.
I can only imagine the first days online "Hey this A button makes me gain 15 extra kph, let me press it all the time. Hey what happened? All of the sudden I lost my rear? This game is sh!t!!!"
AndyD said:
I only have the screens that were given out to the magazines previously, and those are the ones I posted we don't have versions with different lighting settings. I believe some of our forum users have altered the images in PS tho, as some of them share the same sentiments that some of you guys do:
http://community.codemasters.com/forum/f1-2010-game-1316/412460-colour-balance.html
MiniBossBattle
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moojito said:
There are several ways to have light filters. Some companies employ a color look up table to adjust when event happen you move to a different area (Dead Space) some add filters (call of duty) to enhance or exaggerate a look or motif to a level and sometimes its baked into the scene (vertex, texture).
Adding filter and grain and even "piss filters" are to enchance/exaggerate the feeling of time, location and mood. If you remove them, you are often left with a more sterile albeit cleaner look. Just like depth of field effects, it can be overdone. For the record, I think they did go a little strong with the sepia and wish for stronger contrast of color in the lighting but that is just me.
Helios_CM said:
Instead of passing along info to the developers, how about simply giving them a link to this thread, so they can see for themselves, the number people that are against this silly urine filter. Why the devs decided to implement this "filter" into all their recent racing games is something that has me vexed, perplexed and confused.
isamu said:
Well it's my job to go looking through the forums for feedback in order to allow them to actually concentrate on making the game.
Just so you know, the team are aware of the current opinion regarding this aspect of the graphics, and I can tell you that we're going to investigate making some adjustments to the lighting for the final game. Obviously this takes time so it might not be evident in screens/videos for a little while, but your voices have been heard.
Diablohead
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Piss filter and codemasters handeling aside, it looks amazing, another step up from Dirt 2, which was a step up from grid, which was a step up from dirt 1...
Looks great and I am excited, apart from skipping dirt 1 I loved grid and dirt 2, and want this for my pc, dirt 2 looks and runs amazingly well on the pc so this should be good also I hope.
Dirt 2 using the no piss filter mod is amazing, such wasted visuals unless you mod that game.
Looks great and I am excited, apart from skipping dirt 1 I loved grid and dirt 2, and want this for my pc, dirt 2 looks and runs amazingly well on the pc so this should be good also I hope.
Dirt 2 using the no piss filter mod is amazing, such wasted visuals unless you mod that game.
SealSqueal
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Helios_CM said:
Good to know, and it's always good to have developers that actively communicate with their fans.
moojito said:
The lighting effect that many are referring to is more prominent during sunny settings than in rainy/overcast settings.
I'm not sure if a toggle is feasible at this stage in dev, but like I said we're trying to find a balance that's an improvement, and one which everyone will be happy with.
Neuromancer
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Thanks Helios, you're a good dude, I don't care what everyone says about you.Helios_CM said:
Any OFDR2 news? :lol
Joseph Merrick
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it would be impossible to work out a limited dlc addon deal or whatever for 2009 cars? it's all set in stone?Helios_CM said:
calling a bank satan isn't exactly wrongamar212 said:
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Neuromancer
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It'd be nice if they could also work in some kind of animation to simulate rivulets of urine streaming off your helmet.Truespeed said:I don't think the urine filter is yellow enough. Could you have them add a slider control in the options to adjust the urine color? Or even just a combo box with options such as Light, Medium and Heavy.
JordoftheDead
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Helios_CM said:
Ah, that's such a shame. I was hoping you could transition from the '09 to'10 seasons through the career mode.
On the subject of the colour filter I'm with everyone else. GRID and DIRT are amazing looking games aside from the odd use of colour. I have to say, I've always been slightly bemused by the choice of the piss-filter.
Our Chief Game Designer has spoke out about the lighting and the images with the lighting effect reduced on our forums:
"Seen it. Like it. We've talked a lot recently about our colour use. I think the Art Director is expecting tracks to become more realistic as they get nearer completion. Monza looks very good, because it's been around for a while."
"Seen it. Like it. We've talked a lot recently about our colour use. I think the Art Director is expecting tracks to become more realistic as they get nearer completion. Monza looks very good, because it's been around for a while."
brotkasten
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Helios_CM said:
Could you give us a link of that post?
brotkasten said:
Sure, it's on this thread here:
http://community.codemasters.com/fo...rint-magazine-screenshots-no-6-now-up-40.html
Gareth Bale
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Helios_CM said:
That's encouraging. But it's not so much the realism of the tracks as it is the tone of the images. I don't want to tell the Art Director how to do his job, and please excuse me if I am wrong about this, but isn't it just a filter as opposed to the lighting in the game?
From what you're saying it seems like this is something that was a concious choice, and would be difficult to change at this point in development.
brotkasten
Member
Helios_CM said:
Thank you, I just wanted to see what he meant ("Seen it. Like it").
Diablohead
Member
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chvMEHE_PRg - With some lighting tweaks to remove the yellow
Adam Scott Aukerman
Member
Bungieware said:
It seems to me to be a complete non-answer. As you say, the issue is with the depiction of more-or-less universal environmental conditions (colour temperature etc), and absolutely nothing to do with the accuracy of the tracks. And even if it was, the answer still doesn't make sense, unless "been around for a while" is referring to Monza being one of the more complete in their development.
It just seems to me that, for whatever reason, Codemasters have settled on this stylistic approach as part of their brand identity, and it is therefore likely entrenched in bureaucracy and beyond the reach of any single game designer.
Gareth Bale
Member
rogue_pigeon said:
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking. I was just trying to be nice about it though, and ended up being too wishy washy. Suppose I'm glad someone has the recreational spheres to say it.
Goldrusher
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It is indeed a problem throughout the entire game, something fundamental.
Not something to tweak on a per track basis.
Not something to tweak on a per track basis.
brotkasten
Member
Goldrusher said:
It is. This is how the mods in Dirt/2 or Grid work. You have to change the lighting parameters and shaders track per track. You can't just copy/paste the settings for one track to another. I guess this is the reason why the lighting mod for Dirt 2 only covers the rally tracks in China, Malaysia and Morocco.
missile said:
More like post-WWIII edition.
thelastword
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Helios, how about using MLAA for the PS3 version of F1 and future games, they would look so much better. I think you guys should look into it, the PDF and code is online for perusal.
Mastah
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Second dev diary:
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/1...e-world-championship/videos/F1_2O1O_Dev2.html
Monaco :O
http://uk.ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/1...e-world-championship/videos/F1_2O1O_Dev2.html
Monaco :O
Diablohead
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Seriously, I don't mind it in dirt and grid was ok but for formula 1? doesn't work, need blue skies.-viper- said:
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