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[Slavik81]

they'll make a fake name? duh?

Just require a passport or birth certificate to make an account with any website. And verify its accuracy with a biometric description, dental records, and a statement of religious and political affiliation.

 

[spiderman123]

What is more likely to lead to juvenile or defamatory communication, anonymity or non-anonymity? I think most people would say anonymity. If that's true, her point seems quite clear.

Her greater point probably has more to do with regulation, or the internet's lack thereof.

Unless there is a study to prove it otherwise (being anonymity vs non-anonymity), I will go by what is observed and stick to what was posted by Kaijima which sums up my feelings on the issue. It is just marketing at its finest.

 

[Majine]

Wonder if the Zuckerberg family dog has a position in the company.

 

[speculawyer]

The marketing data we collect on you will be so much more valuable to us if you are not anonymous.

 

[piddledy]

I disagree entirely. If we're talking about the type of abuse that goes way beyond your typical WoW forum wankery and actually ruins peoples' lives. It requires the bullied to be known and not anonymous, and many people might just shrug and not believe it unless the person posting it isn't anonymous either.

Not sure why anonymity and bullying are mutually exclusive. Bullying is bad, whether it is done by people named or unnamed.

 

[Nose Master]

"Hey anon, please attack facebook." That said, I've been expecting this for years. /aluminum foil hat

 

[Replicant]

Her point is total shill bullshit. Most kids are cyberbullied by people they already know in real life. anonymity changes nothing, oh, except it doesn't help spread Facebook connect. Huge coincidence that is, I'm sure.

QFT. Most bullies already know their victim. That's why it's so hard on the victims because they usually encounter the bullies on daily/frequent basis. Sure, knowing their name reveals their douchetastic attitude to the whole world but it doesn't help much unless someone intervenes.

 

[kiunchbb]

Looks to me facebook finally gave up spending resources on protecting the user's identity.

Instead they will just campaign to remove internet anonymity, I bet apps will have 10 times more users that way, since they don't have to prompt user to share all their personal secret just to play bejewel.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Its not that they are anonymous. Its that there is no consequences for misbehaving.

obviously the way to solve this is a one login solution for the whole internet and MODS

alternatively everyone can just harden the fuck up and deal with the new world.

 

[Mr_Zombie]

I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away… People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. … I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doors.

If you think not being anonymous on Internet suddenly makes people behave and not act like total morons, well... just look at Sony's, Microsoft's and Nintendos' walls. Even using real names, people still can act like fanboys, insulting each other, posting flames etc. :lol

 

[OnkelC]

 

[faceless007]

I'm sure advertisers have nothing to do with their stance on this.

 

[B!TCH]

There's something I don't understand about some of the replies in this thread.

So if you guys have friends who are "total fucktards" that say offensive and stupid things on Facebook, why are you still friends with them?

 

[Dead Man]

http://i.imgur.com/JjwaG.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]
Which may be true, but there are more important considerations than people just being fuckwads. I am all for situational lack of anonymity by choice, but calls for blanket removal are insane. I'm sure every kid at every school will love having their real name out there for all the bullies to see, right?

 

[piddledy]

If you think not being anonymous on Internet suddenly makes people behave and not act like total morons, well... just look at Sony's, Microsoft's and Nintendos' walls. Even using real names, people still can act like fanboys, insulting each other, posting flames etc. :lol

Are you actually saying that anonymity has no affect on behavior?

Which may be true, but there are more important considerations than people just being fuckwads. I am all for situational lack of anonymity by choice, but calls for blanket removal are insane. I'm sure every kid at every school will love having their real name out there for all the bullies to see, right?

I don't understand what you mean.

 

[Dead Man]

Are you actually saying that anonymity has no affect on behavior?

I'm sure you have both been to a high school, and looked at Facebook recently. Do you think a lack of anonymity is really a deterrent? As long as there are no consequences, and an audience, people will be dicks.

I don't understand what you mean.

Hey, did you see John Smith posting about how he likes Dungeons and Dragons? Lets beat that little geek to a pulp.

Anonymity is available offline, online should be no different.

 

[Fusion Pizza]

Seriously? Time to firebomb facebook too

 

[Slavik81]

http://i.imgur.com/JjwaG.jpg

The thing about this is that the 'normal' person was always a fuckwad. You just didn't know it until they were anonymous.

 

[Sennorin]

I think anonymity on the Internet has to go away… People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. … I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doors.

So...you want to take away the ONE inherent positive thing about the internet, which is people not being lying phonies and actually expressing what they really think?

 

[piddledy]

I'm sure you have both been to a high school, and looked at Facebook recently. Do you think a lack of anonymity is really a deterrent? As long as there are no consequences, and an audience, people will be dicks.


Hey, did you see John Smith posting about how he likes Dungeons and Dragons? Lets beat that little geek to a pulp.

Anonymity is available offline, online should be no different.

I understand bullying like this:

Anonymous bullying + non-anonymous bulling = more bullying. Bullying is bad and we should try to eliminate it. Why make it harder by allowing people to do it anonymously?

I do think non-anonymity is a deterrent. How many times have you seen stories about employers who reject candidates because of online information?

And John Smith's probably getting beat up no matter what. Dungeons and Dragons has nothing to do with it.

 

[Codeblue]

She's right, after all, it's not like racist people use Facebook as a platform to spew hate speech... oh wait.

I'd rather be cyber bullied by an anonymous retard and be able to walk away than have a douche be able to continually harass me because we know each others real names.

 

[Jamesfrom818]

Which may be true, but there are more important considerations than people just being fuckwads. I am all for situational lack of anonymity by choice, but calls for blanket removal are insane. I'm sure every kid at every school will love having their real name out there for all the bullies to see, right?

If we're just talking Facebook here, why would the kid be friends with the bullies in the first place and allow them to see that?

 

[travisbickle]

I fuckin' hate nepotism!!

Facebook needs to be monitored more.

Where is that article I read which speaks about web designers giving a shit about their community until they hit it big, and then it is just a high score on a page 50,000,000 - 100,000,000 - 1,000,000,000.....and all they do is damage-control to keep their numbers up. They have no intention of changing Facebook for the better.

 

[Dead Man]

I understand bullying like this:

Anonymous bullying + non-anonymous bulling = more bullying. Bullying is bad and we should try to eliminate it. Why make it harder by allowing people to do it anonymously?

I do think anonymity is a deterrent. How many times have you seen stories about employers who reject candidates because of online information?

John Smith's probably getting beat up no matter what. Dungeons and Dragons has nothing to do with it.

Bullies bully for many reasons, but almost none of them rely on anonymity to do so. They rely on threats of consequences if they are ratted out. So anonymity only helps the victim find new places to communicate without the potential bullies being able to find them.

If we're just talking Facebook here, why would the kid be friends with the bullies in the first place and allow them to see that?

If there is no anonymity on the net, everything you post anywhere will be linkable to your name. You don't have to be friends for someone to find your message board posts if your name is linked.

 

[piddledy]

Bullies bully for many reasons, but almost none of them rely on anonymity to do so. They rely on threats of consequences if they are ratted out. So anonymity only helps the victim find new places to communicate without the potential bullies being able to find them.

This is an article about bullies who rely entirely on anonymity to bully others.

Such dramas pervade Juicy Campus, an eight-month-old Web site (JuicyCampus.com) that cultivates and distributes gossip across a network of 59 college campuses. Promising that all posts will be anonymous, it allows students to participate in a collegiate version of celebrity gossip sites like TMZ.com and PerezHilton.com; it is a dorm bathroom wall writ large, one that anyone with Internet access can read from and post to.

For students who have been identified by name on Juicy Campus, the results can be devastating. In a tearful phone conversation, a 21-year-old junior at Baylor who majors in public relations recounted her experience when her name surfaced on the site in a discussion about the “biggest slut” on campus.

 

[jwluther]

Nice sensational headline. Facebook didn't say that; Randi Zuckerberg did. Randi is not Facebook, nor does she make the operating decisions for Facebook. She was simply stating her personal opinion, not the opinion of the company...

Anyway, here's the composite image the I'm surprised hasn't been done already:

 

[soundscream]

Yeah... something tells me that isn't true.

http://i.imgur.com/1LXA1.jpg

http://ambivalen.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/1299927373524.jpg

I think if you asked all of those people bringing up Pearl Harbor about the events of WW2 they would tell you that Ben Affleck single handedly won the battle of Britain, saved the day at Pearl Harbor and then bombed Japan. SMH

Because if there is karma for all of the wrong that a nation does, I hope to not be around when the US gets its turn.

 

[Raitosaito]

Its not that they are anonymous. Its that there is no consequences for misbehaving.

This is correct

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Internet Anonymity will stay. I will atop using the goddamn Internet if it doesn't.

I don't want people to know What and what I don't fancy unless I tell them myself. GAF, stay frosty!

 

[daffy]

I think I'd fuck Randi Zuckerberg.

idiotic post.

 

[piddledy]

This is correct

I think it has a lot to do with laws that protect ISPs from any liability for their users' speech.

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.

 

[Sinoox]

Plenty of people post the most hateful shit now on Facebook. So much for that idea, Randi.

You hit the nail right on the head.

 

[Dead Man]

This is an article about bullies who rely entirely on anonymity to bully others.

That is not the most prevalent form of bullying, but okay, it exists. So what? You only want to make that one kind harder, but every other kind easier?

 

[Cheerilee]

Recent Facebook employee George Hotz is a fine example of how harmless it is to use your own name on the Internet, and how using your own name prevents you from acting like an asshole.

 

[Tabris]

This would need to be done on the internet provider level with a full disclosure from them of your internet presence. They would need to add it even to a lower level of you authenticating your name, location and some kind of key to be able to be provided an IP address back.

Because once one person is able to be anonymous, then it removes the point.

 

[piddledy]

That is not the most prevalent form of bullying, but okay, it exists. So what? You only want to make that one kind harder, but every other kind easier?

Why does every other form of bullying become easier when anonymity is removed from the internet?

 

[Dead Man]

Why does every other form of bullying become easier when anonymity is removed from the internet?

I guess you really don't get it. Never mind, carry on into your utopia.

 

[piddledy]

I guess you really don't get it. Never mind, carry on into your utopia.

Or you could just say why!

 

[Dead Man]

Or you could just say why!

I already did. :/

 

[Wendel Clark]

what an idiot!

 

[piddledy]

I already did. :/

Oh, anonymity allows them to stay hidden? And therefore if students were able to go to school anonymously, bullying would be eliminated?

 

[Dead Man]

Oh, anonymity allows them to stay hidden? And therefore if students were able to go to school anonymously, bullying would be eliminated?

:lol You seem to have missed the point rather badly. As I said, carry on.

 

[piddledy]

:lol You seem to have missed the point rather badly. As I said, carry on.

Yeah, sorry. I guess I suck.

 

[Dead Man]

Yeah, sorry. I guess I suck.

Man, don't be like that. You don't think that any kid would value anonymity for themselves more than a lack of anonymity for anybody else. I disagree.

 

[Mechanical Snowman]

Late to the discussion, but I feel I have to post how ridiculously incorrect this person is even if it's been said before.

I can't even thing of all the ways it could negatively affect the internet and people's lives, and yet the one thing she said would be improved by this: people's behaviour

People behave a lot better when they have their real names down. … I think people hide behind anonymity and they feel like they can say whatever they want behind closed doors.

Is complete bullshit. I was mad for a sec but then I remembered she's just another idiot that knows nothing about the Internet, and has no power to implement her crazy ideas.

 

[Zaptruder]

There should be places and forums of discussion where real names and identities are mandated.

e.g. dating website, school forum discussions.

This should not spread to encompass the entirety of the internet in anyway whatsoever.

 

[Wiktor]

Ermm...since when do you have to use your real name on Facebook? Did I miss something?

 

[computers putin']

Some of the biggest assholes aren't actually conscious of the fact that they're assholes, so getting rid of anonymity won't do much to curtail trolling as we know it. We'd probably get less people who are openly racist, I'm talking about the stormfront type though.

 

[Mael]

So that's why Facebook CEO closed his Google+ account?

 

[Slavik81]

There should be places and forums of discussion where real names and identities are mandated.

e.g. dating website, school forum discussions.

This should not spread to encompass the entirety of the internet in anyway whatsoever.

Few people want the entire world to know that they are using an internet dating site. It should not be easy to find a specific person on such a website.