RipperGrim
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Who gives a shit?? why should he get arrested? That's some police state shit and nobody should be supporting it.
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Facing possible jail time for, what I feel - doing nothing wrong...
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Who gives a shit?? why should he get arrested? That's some police state shit and nobody should be supporting it.
That was awhile ago. At least last year, maybe the year before.
Because it's part of the social contract in Finland. Everyone does some type of service (military or civil).
Saying you want the benefits of society, but don't want to pay the cost is basically freeloading. It's no different than folks who refuse to pay taxes, because "mah monies!", but want full support of all civil services when they need them.
TheCochese
Banned
This isn't a discussion about what laws should be, it's about what they are.
When you begin your service, you will go through a health check which includes eye test. If needed, the army will provide you cheap ass glasses.
Mammoth Jones
Member
Some nations due to their population decided to have mandatory military service. It's not that uncommon and there are procedures to get out of it.
I don't support it or disapprove. It's what they decided as a nation to be in their security interests.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Also, many countries are broadly supportive of conscription.
The world is a big place.
I don't know but maybe it helps with why Finns trust their army so much? Eh, I don't know.
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[IMG]https://gdb.rferl.org/1986BE5B-7304-4AF4-B9E0-026D2FBE270B.png[/IMG]This thread brings memories. I broke my toe in combat training and the doc just put a bandage on it. Of course later they realized it's broken when it became worse in further combat training... goddamn clowns 
He has options. Military service, civil service and jail. It's not a gulag or anything.
Stil I have sympathy for OP. 18 year olds are still very young, the military can be a depressing place and the process to apply to civil service can be shitty especially if you haven't worked before.
He has options. Military service, civil service and jail. It's not a gulag or anything.
Stil I have sympathy for OP. 18 year olds are still very young, the military can be a depressing place and the process to apply to civil service can be shitty especially if you haven't worked before.
Kite
Member
I'm pretty sure it's this one: GAF, I've made a huge mistake. (Job related.)
Are they.. normal-looking glasses. The US Army gives soldiers free glasses called BCGs.. nicknamed birth control glasses for obvious reasons.
Earthbound64
Banned
He could always move.
RipperGrim
Member
This thread brings memories. I broke my toe in combat training and the doc just put a bandage on it. Of course later they realized it's broken when it became worse in further combat training... goddamn clowns
He has options. Military service, civil service and jail. It's not a gulag or anything.
Stil I have sympathy for OP. 18 year olds are still very young, the military can be a depressing place and the process to apply to civil service can be shitty especially if you haven't worked before.
He has 3 options and one is being arrested. That's not freedom, he is being forced to do something he doesn't want to do and not even in an economic pressure kind of way of just needing a job but also the potential of literally getting arrested. It's fucked.
Hesemonni
Banned
Oh for fuck's sake.
In a utopia yes, it's fucked up. But we live next to the sleeping bear and it's not like things are going to a good direction concerning that bear.
Mandatory army service is the most ridiculous thing ever when i got that letter i never responded they can fuck themselves. Luckily i live in the Netherlands tho in wich it's not required by law anymore. And otherwise i am too short + weight too low and have a mental illness (adhd).
But in OP's case accept the boring job if you can still and go to school when you can again or search for a job you like or tolerate better for later.
Jail time will put you on a list/record wich can harm you getting good jobs in the future a criminal record lasts several years before it's cleared.
I really don't blame you tho it's sad that they still force army service there if you don't work or go to school. But to skip it accept the job OP believe me i would have done it too. Jail time might not be that bad in your country but a record lasts for a while wich could hurt your future perspective quite a bit.
But in OP's case accept the boring job if you can still and go to school when you can again or search for a job you like or tolerate better for later.
Jail time will put you on a list/record wich can harm you getting good jobs in the future a criminal record lasts several years before it's cleared.
I really don't blame you tho it's sad that they still force army service there if you don't work or go to school. But to skip it accept the job OP believe me i would have done it too. Jail time might not be that bad in your country but a record lasts for a while wich could hurt your future perspective quite a bit.
Unless you are a woman ofc
Political atmosphere sounds like that might change soon too.
Or have a disability. At least here in Switzerland. Then you have to pay a certain amount every year though.
I don't really get it. Why you just didn't take a job that wasn't as interesting or not interesting at all?
You don't get criminal record for refusing military and non-military service in Finland.
You don't get criminal record for refusing military and non-military service in Finland.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
yeah, army in finland is some bullshit. i wasted 40 days on that nonsense until i managed to complain my way out of it.
Ah that's good to hear.
That's atleast one worry less for OP.
Hopefully he comes out of it well.
Hope so. Norway already has gender neutral conscription (not sure about Sweden)
From what I've heard, Health reasons are the easiest way to avoid it in Finland
So haven't worked in over 6 months, now 2 months house arrest - how are you eating? Paying rent? Affording anything?
If you have the money to stay home eating and playing video games for the next two months and are whining about that punishment for DECIDING not to take a boring job...
I'm sorry for your rough life, OP.
If you have the money to stay home eating and playing video games for the next two months and are whining about that punishment for DECIDING not to take a boring job...
I'm sorry for your rough life, OP.
Earthbound64
Banned
That's kind of what I was getting at earlier without coming right out and saying it, yeah...
It's still jail. They strip you of freedom to go wherever you want, whenever you want.
No. He has been working unless I read the OP wrong. Just not in a place that you can do your non-military service. Job has to be provided by the city or goverment for it to qualify as non-military service.
smh
John Dunbar
correct about everything
op may not have taken the ideal route to do it, but i respect anyone who refuses to serve in finland. i should have done that instead of cheesing my way out of the whole thing, but i am a piece of shit.
all it would take is a generation of people refusing to go along with this nonsense to get rid of it.
It also happens to be the only realistic option for the defense of Finland. No sympathy at all for OP, he had options all along.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
cannon fodder is not a realistic option at all. it's not 1939 anymore.
Ah, gotcha. Thanks.
Captain Tuttle
Member
And the jail thing will always be on your record, it will follow you the rest of your life
Suck it up and do something "not interesting" for a few months
John Dunbar
correct about everything
you don't get a record if you go to jail for refusing to serve. you can even lie and say you did serve and no one will know, or care.
wolfhowwl
Banned
I'm pretty sure it's this one: GAF, I've made a huge mistake. (Job related.)
Are they.. normal-looking glasses. The US Army gives soldiers free glasses called BCGs.. nicknamed birth control glasses for obvious reasons.
You can get much better glasses once you're out of training and at your first duty station.
I just got PRK through the Army instead.
Yeah so let's go full pacifist wimp mode and collectively throw our arms up in the air? Russia would just love that.
The point of it all is to make invasion too costly for Russia, and continue fighting under occupation if need be. Defeatist attitudes like yours aren't helping.
Who is talking about cannon fodder? It's about half of the population being able to run a guerrilla campaign against the occupying force.
Plenty of professions where jail time for refusing service will do fuck all to hurt one's chances to get jobs in said profession.
And I'm not even sure if it's a permanent record.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
it's not defeatist, it's realistic. there is no good reason for conscription anymore. recruit a set number of people every year who are actually willing to do it and stop wasting time and money on people who either hate it or think of it as a summer camp. finland is so full of crazy military types scared of russia like you that there would be no shortage of volunteers.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
Very accurate tl;dr.
Not sure what's going on with OP... but there's a defence force for everything on GAF.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
You'd rather stay under 2 months house arrest than work a civilian job you don't find interesting for 4 months?
Bruh
Bruh
Earthbound64
Banned
Oh darn. That thread's legitimately making me sad reading it, to think that situation can even exist - a person being handed a good job, and leaving after half a day because they got tired of playing on their phone.
John Dunbar
correct about everything
haha oh wow.
if even 1% of people who wasted their time in the army became guerrillas then i would be shocked.
TheCochese
Banned
Yes, recruiting is as easy as you just said.
Captain Tuttle
Member
ah ok, thanks for clearing that up.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
Member
Sorry OP but this is all your own screwup. Like most of the paragraphs you write have nothing to do with anything. They immediately let you switch to civil service to which you apparently feel is beneath you so now you're protesting by going to jail. You can easily fix this but rather go to jail for some bizarre reason.
Says you. Volunteer armies may work elsewhere but our geopolitical reality is very different - it wouldn't be a convincing deterrent at all. Call me what you want, but at least I'm not the one with the rose-tinted glasses on.
Well to be fair towards the OP, if he goes for the house arrest he can keep working in his current job and actually make money during that 2 months. With non-military service you get about 14-20 euros a day depending on how far you are with the service. Financially it is way smarter to take the house arrest deal.