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FAIL: My friend said "why we still got monkeys?"

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tokkun said:
Still better than saying "FAIL".
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at least i didn't spell it PHAIL!!!!!!!!!!!

agrajag said:
Is your friend Steve Harvey by any chance?
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If he was I wouldn't have paid for my own drinks

ClosingADoor said:
That you went to GAF to make fun of him?
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I'm in awesome guy like that
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Glass Soldier said:
Get a new friend... a monkey for example.
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....i don't like bananas though :(

ClosingADoor said:
No, but that is why I don't think he tried to really explain it to his friend.
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Umm...have you ever tried to explain something to someone who'll roll your eyes at whatever you say? after a while you just kinda stop trying. After I asked him if everything has a creator does the creator have a creator and i got the eye roll, that pretty much told me that he really didn't care about anything i was saying.
 
ClosingADoor said:
No, but that is why I don't think he tried to really explain it to his friend.
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But the second line of the OP, he says "So I tried to explain to him we didn't evolve from chimps we share a common ancestor, just like dogs and wolves share a common ancestor."
To me that would imply he tried to explain to his friend what was going on, afterwards his friend asked more stupid questions and moved the goalposts.
 
bdizzle said:
WTF am I supposed to say to some shit like that? So I tried to explain to him we didn't evolve from chimps we share a common ancestor, just like dogs and wolves share a common ancestor. Then he said well how do you explain how we're the only planet in our solar system with life on it? And I tried to explain the Hubble deep field image and how there's billions of galaxies with billions of stars and billions of billions of planets and the probability of there being other intelligient life is highly probable.

But he rolled his eyes and said "I'm smart enough not to believe we came from nothing." Then I said well if everything had to have a creator, then who created the creator? And he rolled his eyes again :lol

And the funny thing is, he's not even religious. So far my theory is 100% acurate; people who don't believe in evolution 100% of the time don't understand evolution. I figured he was a pretty smart guy but he lost a lot of cool points with his comments. At least look up a damn wikipedia article before disagreeing with a scientific theory goddamnit!!!
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cosmological argument - uncaused causer
 
Soka said:
Possible? Absolutely. "Highly probable..." I'm not convinced.
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If time is infinite, it is more than probable... with infinity, if something is possible, than it will happen, you just have to wait long enough. ;)
 
sigh, I've said this before here.

The best thing to say to someone that says, "Why we still got monkeys?!" is to answer, "If children grow up to be adults, why we still got children?!"
 
bdizzle said:
Umm...have you ever tried to explain something to someone who'll roll your eyes at whatever you say? after a while you just kinda stop trying. After I asked him if everything has a creator does the creator have a creator and i got the eye roll, that pretty much told me that he really didn't care about anything i was saying.
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The creator of the creator is not really a good argument to say God does not exist I think (if he was talking about that). Anyway, your friend is stupid, but I would also give a wtf face if someone tried to explain something that goes totally beyond me (I still don't get the big bang, and see it as nothing -> boom -> planet -> fish -> dinosaurs).
 
KingHenrik30 said:
cosmological argument - uncaused causer
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What I don't understand is this: if it's so easy to believe that a God has always existed without a creator then why is it so hard to believe that the universe has always existed without a creator?
 
bdizzle said:
Then he said well how do you explain how we're the only planet in our solar system with life on it? And I tried to explain the Hubble deep field image and how there's billions of galaxies with billions of stars and billions of billions of planets and the probability of there being other intelligient life is highly probable.
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The question of why there is only life on earth in this solar system is not explained by 'billions of stars' and probability of life on other planets, but merely with conditions on the other planets in our system. If your friend talks about life in this universe, then you can explain him about the billions of planets.

But he rolled his eyes and said "I'm smart enough not to believe we came from nothing." Then I said well if everything had to have a creator, then who created the creator? And he rolled his eyes again :lol
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While you are right about who created the creator, you ought to have told him that life on this planet probably didn't come from nothing but a complicated process of anorganic elements changing/combining/evolving into organic (sorry my english isn't good enough to word this properly)

And the funny thing is, he's not even religious. So far my theory is 100% acurate; people who don't believe in evolution 100% of the time don't understand evolution. I figured he was a pretty smart guy but he lost a lot of cool points with his comments. At least look up a damn wikipedia article before disagreeing with a scientific theory goddamnit!!!
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Your theory isn't 100% acurate, a theory can never be that until it is proven and then it is not a theory anymore.
 
Wickerbasket said:
What I don't understand is this: if it's so easy to believe that a God has always existed without a creator then why is it so hard to believe that the universe has always existed without a creator?
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edit: human brain has problems grasping the concept that nothing comes from nothing
 
Wickerbasket said:
What I don't understand is this: if it's so easy to believe that a God has always existed without a creator then why is it so hard to believe that the universe has always existed without a creator?
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Because people can see the universe and want to explain it. They can't see God, so they don't think about it, I guess. Most people don't have an answer when you ask them to explain how either of them got created anyway.
 
ClosingADoor said:
Because people can see the universe and want to explain it. They can't see God, so they don't think about it, I guess. Most people don't have an answer when you ask them to explain how either of them got created anyway.
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I prefer the people who say 'I don't know how it happened' to the people that attribute it to magic.
 
Wickerbasket said:
I prefer the people who say 'I don't know how it happened' to the people that attribute it to magic.
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Sure, but not knowing is scary to people (well, it was hundreds and thousands of years ago, when they made it all up).
 
KingHenrik30 said:
edit: human brain has problems grasping the concept that nothing comes from nothing
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Adding God does nothing to alleviate that problem. And I'm rather sure you mean 'something'?
 
ClosingADoor said:
Also works the other way. People who don't believe in God 100% of the time, don't understand creation.

I believe in evolution myself and am not religious. But science is an evolving thing itself. Maybe humanity looks back in a few hundred years and thinks "wtf were we thinking back then?"
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:lol No, this does not work the other way.
 
Sometimes people just have their own personal views that they believe in. I mean I'd definitely be friends with someone if they were cool, nice and fun to be around. Couldn't care less whether they prayed to a banana or walrus or coke can. Don't let it get to you. I am sure you've said retarded things to people before and made them feel the same way you are feeling about your friend.
 
Saadster said:
Sometimes people just have their own personal views that they believe in. I mean I'd definitely be friends with someone if they were cool, nice and fun to be around. Couldn't care less whether they prayed to a banana or walrus or coke can. Don't let it get to you. I am sure you've said retarded things to people before and made them feel the same way you are feeling about your friend.
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It's one thing to have a belief in a deity. It's other entirely to be factually incorrect.
 
Wickerbasket said:
What I don't understand is this: if it's so easy to believe that a God has always existed without a creator then why is it so hard to believe that the universe has always existed without a creator?
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Presumably they've decided that the universe must make sense and follow certain laws, while a deity would be above those laws and ineffable.

It's not unreasonable... but it's not all that reasonable, either, IMHO.
 
DevelopmentArrested said:
It's one thing to have a belief in a deity. It's other entirely to be factually incorrect.
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The deity thing was just an example of people and their beliefs. You know you're going on a slippery slope on Gaf by saying that evolution is factually correct....because you know what is going to happen soon, so let's stay off that. The only point I was trying to make in essence is that...people are stubborn with their faith. You can't help it, but if you look beyond that, they are still good people. I mean what if a person had not been taught evolution in school (say in a third world country or something), will they be completely stupid and not worth talking to?
 
Saadster said:
The deity thing was just an example of people and their beliefs. You know you're going on a slippery slope on Gaf by saying that evolution is factually correct....because you know what is going to happen soon, so let's stay off that. The only point I was trying to make in essence is that...people are stubborn with their faith. You can't help it, but if you look beyond that, they are still good people. I mean what if a person had not been taught evolution in school (say in a third world country or something), will they be completely stupid and not worth talking to?
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GAF is smarter than you think.
 
Kurtofan said:
why is he still your friend?
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Hanging out with dumb people makes you seem a lot smarter than you really are. It's the same reason ugly women stand next to uglier women.
 
ClosingADoor said:
It does in the mind of a creationist, and the argument is stupid either way.
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What?

In order to believe something to be true you have to educate yourself as to what it is and how it works. That's uh, what science is. If a person is to lazy to do that, well then that's a different matter.
 
Saadster said:
Sometimes people just have their own personal views that they believe in. I mean I'd definitely be friends with someone if they were cool, nice and fun to be around. Couldn't care less whether they prayed to a banana or walrus or coke can. Don't let it get to you. I am sure you've said retarded things to people before and made them feel the same way you are feeling about your friend.
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It didn't get to me that he didn't believe it. What got to me was that he totally dismissed it w/o knowing WTF it is
 
Get him to read some Richard Dawkins. Or watch his fairly recent documentaries.

Personally I find his militant approach to athiesm a little bit harsh, but I agree in his fundamental point and all the books of his that I've read have been interesting.

You can't knock the guys enthusiasm for Darwin and the beauty of nature.
 
bdizzle said:
It didn't get to me that he didn't believe it. What got to me was that he totally dismissed it w/o knowing WTF it is
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What can I say man, get smarter friends :lol
 
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