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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery

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Dresden said:
It's pretty useless unless you do kendo. Well, it's fun to whack people I guess. But pretty soon you won't have people to whack anymore, and you'll be whacking at the wall. But you'll whack too much and the wall will crumble and you'll have nothing to whack--or anything to whack in, as well. It's a vicious cycle.
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I'm pretty sure the whole point of getting a kendo shinai is to start doing kendo. It's one hell of a workout too, if you haven't worked out in a long time it's a good idea to get in shape before you try it. Swinging a stick around is something humans haven't really done for centuries now (unless you're a baseball player) and most people aren't prepared for the level of exertion that entails.

I need to go to sleep.
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Yeah, me too.
 
Itsuki is such a dick.:lol

I love how he finds a mysterious alien artifact and his first thought is to give it to his assistant as a "Christmas present" and use her as a guinea pig.
 
Halycon said:
Can you explain this? I'm having trouble coming up a reason as to why this conflict is different from any other political/ideological/economic conflict in history, especially between two societies with radically different political ideologies (which aren't so radical in practice).
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It's how LOGH executes the main conflict. The scale at which it's executed couldn't be replicated in any other setting.
 
Scale and time are pretty important parts of the work though. Because then no one could say "Oh that ship flagship just got destroyed, and it had about 300,000 people on it."
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Time is not a significant part of the work at all. Or else the war would take much longer. It's been a year and they've moved back and forth across the galaxy and are now in the midst of two simultaneous civil wars. Assuming they have some extremely efficient form of FTL travel this is still ludicrously fast. Part of the "epic"ness of war is the time it takes for all the necessary events to culminate any significant paradigm shifts. Saying "This war has lasted 150 years" doesn't really add anything to the story when Wenli and Lohengramm are shitting over everyone else within a single year. In fact it makes the premise much less believable and pointless when really it's just the two geniuses doing their thing.

Scale is not that significant either. Sure, if 300,000 people died in a single stroke it would be an unmeasurable shock to us. But from an interstellar vantage point it's much less impressive. What's the point of scaling things 1000% if you're just going to zoom out 1000% as well?
It's how LOGH executes the main conflict. The scale at which it's executed couldn't be replicated in any other setting.
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LOGH is clearly an amalgamy of wars that have already happened. I'm not a history expert and even I can recognize the blatant similarities between WWII, Napoleonic War and other various smaller conflicts and the Alliance vs Empire war.
 
Dresden said:
Tbh, I think teacups or headphones are a lot more useful--and less embarrassing--than figurines.

My stack of Negima manga certainly proves my nerdiness.
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Hmm, you do have a point there.
 
Branduil said:
Itsuki is such a dick.:lol

I love how he finds a mysterious alien artifact and his first thought is to give it to his assistant as a "Christmas present" and use her as a guinea pig.
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I believe it's implied that he's actually just being an idiot and thought it was a "shiny crystal".

This may make him one of the worst scientists in anime. If it already wasn't stuffed full of stupid scientists.
 
Unknown Soldier said:
I'm pretty sure the whole point of getting a kendo shinai is to start doing kendo. It's one hell of a workout too, if you haven't worked out in a long time it's a good idea to get in shape before you try it. Swinging a stick around is something humans haven't really done for centuries now (unless you're a baseball player) and most people aren't prepared for the level of exertion that entails.
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I have a few friends who do kendo and variant combat shenanigans. I would want to be an order of magnitude more physically fit before I got involved with them, but it's not out of the question.

And if zombies do arrive, High School of the Dead has amply demonstrated that kendo is the motherfucking prime means of disposal.
 
trejo said:
I don't think I'd ever buy stuff like some character's teacups or headphones and the like.
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Most items merchandise aren't made until during or after the show usually. Some are just product placements i.e. Pizza Hut.

Unknown Soldier said:
Hi5! :lol
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:high fives:
 
Geneijin said:
Most items merchandise aren't made until during or after the show usually. Some are just product placements i.e. Pizza Hut.
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That explains why I ate so much pizza while I was watching Code Geass. I kinda wish I had a Cheese-kun now.
 
Jexhius said:
I believe it's implied that he's actually just being an idiot and thought it was a "shiny crystal".

This may make him one of the worst scientists in anime. If it already wasn't stuffed full of stupid scientists.
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To be fair, stupid scientists are not at all exclusive to anime.
 
Halycon said:
Time is not a significant part of the work at all. Or else the war would take much longer. It's been a year and they've moved back and forth across the galaxy and are now in the midst of two simultaneous civil wars. Assuming they have some extremely efficient form of FTL travel this is still ludicrously fast.
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I don't believe the show would assume anyone thinks they don't have FTL. They just don't talk about it because everyone's had it, for hundreds of years. It's not even worth mentioning.

Halycon said:
Part of the "epic"ness of war is the time it takes for all the necessary events to culminate any significant paradigm shifts. Saying "This war has lasted 150 years" doesn't really add anything to the story when Wenli and Lohengramm are shitting over everyone else within a single year. In fact it makes the premise much less believable and pointless when really it's just the two geniuses doing their thing.
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But the show goes to stupidly long-exposition level lengths to show how it's taken decades for things to arrive at where they are now. The build up has been happening for quite some time.

Halycon said:
Scale is not that significant either. Sure, if 300,000 people died in a single stroke it would be an unmeasurable shock to us. But from an interstellar vantage point it's much less impressive. What's the point of scaling things 1000% if you're just going to zoom out 1000% as well?
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Well, we don't want to go too far with that, or the show could revolve around 10 people having a fight somewhere. That wouldn't be quite the same thing.

To show every death on every ship would obviously take too long. It's just enough to know that the scale of the conflict is absurd.

"In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same". The show unabashedly makes that the core message, which is why the conflict itself is timeless and could apply to a smaller scale conflict.

But it doesn't. Man has fought those wars, and learned nothing from it because people won't have changed their basic motivations. Even thousands of years from now. It's the opposite of that Utopian sci-fi future.
 
Jintor said:
Okay, so planning on introducing my gf to some decent anime, since all she watches is English Naruto on Youtube (but she likes Avatar The Last Airbender, so it's not all bad news). At the moment I have 'first episodes' of Bebop, Planetes, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann and Ghost in the Shell lined up, anything else I should add right now?
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derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
 
Jintor said:
derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
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I would have, but I'd pick something "inbetween" in quality to ease her into it. I couldn't decide on what so I didn't respond. :lol Anyways start with Gurren Lagann at least if you don't get any other recommendations.
 
Jexhius said:
I don't believe the show would assume anyone thinks they don't have FTL. They just don't talk about it because everyone's had it, for hundreds of years. It's not even worth mentioning.
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That makes sense. A little. To my chagrin. Doesn't excuse the outdated combat tactics and fashion but those are stylistic elements to the show.

But the show goes to stupidly long-exposition level lengths to show how it's taken decades for things to arrive at where they are now. The build up has been happening for quite some time.
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Haven't had any of those yet. As far as I'm concerned they could've gone to war right after Astate and it wouldn't have been very different. Unless you're talking about the whole Heinessan revolution thing? Because that is only setup. If the show had actually covered all 150 years, then I would have to admit the impressiveness of the scale. The scale of the show itself, as in, what's being shown on screen, is tiny. That's like saying any fictional world is epic because there's millions of years of evolution leading up to the main story.

Well, we don't want to go too far with that, or the show could revolve around 10 people having a fight somewhere. That wouldn't be quite the same thing.

To show every death on every ship would obviously take too long. It's just enough to know that the scale of the conflict is absurd.
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Not saying they should show the death of every single person. But I don't think "epicness" can be achieved solely with large numbers.

"In every time, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same". The show unabashedly makes that the core message, which is why the conflict itself is timeless and could apply to a smaller scale conflict.
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Yes I know, which is why I'm confused as to why they decided to mix space with old fashions, tactics and ideologies. If they wanted to write a war in space, then consider some of the consequences of space travel. If they wanted to write about war with colonial era fashions. Then do that. Why mix them both in a way that doesn't make sense?

Also they use nuclear fusion to power their fortresses. Nuclear fusion.
 
Haven't had any of those yet.
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I'm pretty sure a lot of the back story of the series doesn't even get revealed until much later on from where you are at.

Yes I know, which is why I'm confused as to why they decided to mix space with old fashions, tactics and ideologies. If they wanted to write a war in space, then consider some of the consequences of space travel. If they wanted to write about war with colonial era fashions. Then do that. Why mix them both in a way that doesn't make sense?
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They? the bulk of the story was written by one man!
 
InfiniteNine said:
That explains why I ate so much pizza while I was watching Code Geass. I kinda wish I had a Cheese-kun now.
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I still have no clue what this is
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Jintor said:
derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
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I suggest Mushishi to anyone looking for an anime recommendation.
 
RahXephon 08

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If you ever find a strange alien crystal, be sure to give it to a girl who likes you.


Kamina and his harem are hanging out in the beach. Glad they're taking this alien invasion thing so seriously. As soon as Sayoko gets that crystal it starts snowing. Haruka wants to give some tacky gloves to Kamina. Megumi decides to go for a real man like Souichi.

Sayoko soon goes crazy because of the crystal and because her dad and brother died. She creates ice everywhere and Kamina has to fight her. He doesn't want to kill her so Jin insults his manhood. RahXephon's power gets knocked out. He's freezing but then Reika appears and gives him those tacky gloves Haruka wanted to give him earlier. RahXephon powers up and he saves the day.

Time for a party with oddly-colored alcohol. Haruka could do sooooooooo much better.

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Jintor said:
derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
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Macross
Wolf's rain
Eureka 7
Seirei no Moribito
Oh Edo Rocket

And if animegaf is to be believed:

Princess Tutu
Utena

In any case, don't watch Planetes first. Gotta save the best for last!
 
Jintor said:
derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
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Watch some Ghibli films like nausicaa, spirited away, castle in the sky etc. Also maybe something romance-themed would be good like eureka seven. (a friend of mine actually stated recently that his GF enjoyed watching the show with him) and then there's maison ikkoku!
 
My brother just started watching Mushishi on my recommendation.

He is over the fucking moon with how good it is. Zen X-Files.
 
Jintor said:
derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
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Well actually-

Oh, I see everyone has already done well.
Salazar said:
My brother just started watching Mushishi on my recommendation.

He is over the fucking moon with how good it is. Zen X-Files.
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That's a pretty awesome description :lol
 
Jintor said:
derp RESPOND DAMN YOU ANIMEGAF
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For females newbies..
*goes to my anime list and sorts by score*

Millennium Actress
Tokyo Godfathers
Read or Die OVA
Porco Rosso

Short stuff is best for introducing people to anime imo
 
Halycon said:
Haven't had any of those yet. As far as I'm concerned they could've gone to war right after Astate and it wouldn't have been very different. Unless you're talking about the whole Heinessan revolution thing? Because that is only setup. If the show had actually covered all 150 years, then I would have to admit the impressiveness of the scale. The scale of the show itself, as in, what's being shown on screen, is tiny. That's like saying any fictional world is epic because there's millions of years of evolution leading up to the main story.
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I think you're a bit too early on in the work to have seen those episodes. I guess they come a bit later.

Plus, the show is just packed with details, which is why I suppose people use the term "epic". It might be all about one central conflict, but that doesn't mean we don't have time to experience all these side conflicts (like the jealous ex-favoutire of the Kaiser). These don't add directly to the story, rather they add to the absurd amount of world-building that fleshes out the setting.

Halycon said:
Yes I know, which is why I'm confused as to why they decided to mix space with old fashions, tactics and ideologies. If they wanted to write a war in space, then consider some of the consequences of space travel. If they wanted to write about war with colonial era fashions. Then do that. Why mix them both in a way that doesn't make sense?
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Well, on the tactics front, some of them may be old-fashioned but I imagine they're useful in many situations.

The real answer is : we don't have real conflict in space yet, coming up with a whole set of strategies for a fictional work set in the future might be extremely hard :lol

And why do they dress that way? Because they're awesome! (Also, hand-waved by the extremely lengthy back-story)
 
Princess Lover OVA 1
This is pretty bad and the proportions aren't helping either.

I need to watch something, so I'll watch the next recommendation as long as I haven't seen it before! GO!
 
InfiniteNine said:
Princess Lover OVA 1
This is pretty bad and the proportions aren't helping either.

I need to watch something, so I'll watch the next recommendation as long as I haven't seen it before! GO!
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Boku no pico!

Serious answer: Oh Edo Rocket.
 
InfiniteNine said:
I need to watch something, so I'll watch the next recommendation as long as I haven't seen it before! GO!
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Mōryō no Hako

Edit - Damn, too slow.
 
haha someone had the same idea but more evil >:)

edit: Oh Edo Rocket, awesome and criminally underwatched. Everyone should go check out the first few episodes, iirc the first ep kinda sucks so give it a chance
 
Jexhius said:
Mōryō no Hako

Edit - Damn, too slow.
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I need to finish watching that but the fansubs took forever to come out and I forgot about it.. hopefully some group finished it >.>
 
Kite said:
I need to finish watching that but the fansubs took forever to come out and I forgot about it.. hopefully some group finished it >.>
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I'm sure that must have been some kind of labour of love, considering the absurd amounts of technical/obscure language.

One of the greatest shows of the decade.
 
Kikaider

Test her faith, trust, and love. If she watches the whole thing, then you know it was meant to be.
 
haha this sounds like fun, I will also watch at least 3 episode of the first show posted that I haven't seen before. No H or yaoi tho~
 
Well not much to do now but wait for the shows, but man Sono Hanabira's animation spoiled me. It made me believe that correctly drawn proportions where common in H anime now, but I was deceived! Will Front Innocent remain king of things not drawn terribly on the H-anime front?
 
Kite said:
haha this sounds like fun, I will also watch at least 3 episode of the first show posted that I haven't seen before. No H or yaoi tho~
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Aw, you're no fun.

How 'bout some yuri?
 
Finished DYRL. Holy fucking hell I almost forgot how good it is. Going right from the original series to the obscenely good animation of the movie makes it incredibly clear just how cutting edge this was. It makes Plus' over-reliance on CG kind of disappointing.

I do like how much more manly and decisive Hikaru is and
makes the correct choice
of his own volition instead being a whiny bitch and requiring some kind of catastrophe to force his hand.
Even after rejecting Minmay he goes and SMACKS HER IN THE FACE when she gets uppity about it!
How awesome is that. If only more male leads could take after DYRL Hikaru. Even Minmay is tolerable and much less of an annoying harlot. :lol

I need a bluray remaster something bad. I am tempted to just watch it again, but I still have...Macross 7 to get through, which was the whole point of this little marathon. :(

I guess I'll watch Plus first though. I do kind of like the movie version better but I've seen the movie version so many times and OVA only once, so I might go that route.
 
InfiniteNine said:
Well not much to do now but wait for the shows, but man Sono Hanabira's animation spoiled me. It made me believe that correctly drawn proportions where common in H anime now, but I was deceived! Will Front Innocent remain king of things not drawn terribly on the H-anime front?
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You mean the badly animated and completely disproportionate mutants of the vast majority of H anime do nothing for you?

How odd.
 
So, what's the consensus here? Bakuman looks okay, Psychic Detective Yakumo if it weren't for Bee Train but apart from that... euh :f Iron Man and Star Driver?

It's ready to be convinced, however, so shoot.
 
I'm going to have to go checkout Violinist of Hamelin.

I can't in good conscience recommend obscure works to people in these threads and then not take their suggests for shows people haven't seen, or else I'd be a hypocrite.
Branduil said:
The English dub is legally available on Youtube.

http://www.youtube.com/show?p=rn0rlxmJAqo
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Damn, not available in my region. Now how am I supposed to irrationally hate it?

(Surely no-ones topping original Eva any time soon?)
 
Dina said:
So, what's the consensus here? Bakuman looks okay, Psychic Detective Yakumo if it weren't for Bee Train but apart from that... euh :f Iron Man and Star Driver?

It's ready to be convinced, however, so shoot.
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MM! Will be the show of the decade, and one to behold for all those masochistic people in the future. Generations upon generations will look back upon it as the peak of excellence in this era and it will be held as king!

Jexhius said:
Damn, not available in my region. Now how am I supposed to irrationally hate it?
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Ignorantly!
 
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