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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery

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Does it really count as harem if the person receiving love is only doing it serially rather than in parallel? I think "harem" implies parallel.

Serial is just being a gigolo.(not the best word.)
 
zoku88 said:
Does it really count as harem if the person receiving love is only doing it serially rather than in parallel? I think "harem" implies parallel.

Serial is just being a gigolo.(not the best word.)

I guess it depends on whether or not you would count Amagami SS as a harem show or not?
 
cosmicblizzard said:
Yeah, this is exactly why all harem series should become battle shounen at some point.
Not every series can reach the genius of Negima.

Branduil said:
I don't think asking for good writing is taking things too seriously. This isn't gaming-side.
You guys are arguing after one episode that it's all just the same shit. Might want to wait and see. Even the most enthusiastic fan of the manga will admit that it gets better as it goes.
 
firehawk12 said:
I guess it depends on whether or not you would count Amagami SS as a harem show or not?
Never watched it. This thread almost got me to. Because of sex-hair >.>

Alas, my motivation has been done lately.

EDIT: Where is that "this is what I expected" and "this is what I got' Negima picture :lol
 
Well another aspect of the harem show is that they lack any kind of male rival. If the show even has another male character, he will either be an older non-threat, or a pathetic comic-relief buddy who stands no chance.
 
Hellsing321 said:
I don't know many Harem shows that didn't pick a girl and run with it. And piss off shippers everywhere.

I think it's sometimes one, sometimes the other. Of the harem shows I've seen that I can think of, some have actual single-character endings, others don't and just preserve the status quo, or have a "he lives with all of them" ending.

Tenchi Muyo OVA - lives with all of them
Ichiban Ushiro no Daimao - status quo ending
BakaTest - status quo

Kanon - single character
To Heart (original season) - single character
Air - um, no one I guess?
Love Hina - single character

etc. Both ending types are common.

Halcyon said:
How many harems did not have the iconic hero/heroine pairing?

I mean the moment you discover the Childhood Promise it's pretty much obvious who they're going to end up with.

Usually true, for the series with single-character endings, but I'm sure there are a few cases where that doesn't happen... um... not Kanon or To Heart, for sure, those two have that ending. Love Hina sort of does, though depending on version if I remember right it might not be 100% certain; Keitaro keeps trying to figure out who exactly he had that childhood promise with.

There's often a childhood promise girl in the no-ending series as well, but of course there there's no ending, so just because there's a childhood promise girl doesn't mean the series will definitely end with them... though even there they generally do have the edge, yeah. Daimao for example, if she really was the girl he had a childhood promise with (it's unclear).
 
What's the purpose of a male rival? I mean, that would basically be doing his work for him. It's not like he WANTS to do it. He'd rather play games.
 
Branduil said:
Well another aspect of the harem show is that they lack any kind of male rival. If the show even has another male character, he will either be an older non-threat, or a pathetic comic-relief buddy who stands no chance.

The older males aren't always non-threats. More often than not, one of the members of the harem will idolize the guy.
 
Dresden said:

Negima is the perfect example. So many have the potential but that's one of the few that realized it. To love ru for example would be perfect as a battle manga and a good excuse to kill off Haruna after the author's wife became a bitch and stole his daughter or something.

But yeah, Akamatsu is a genius for dressing it up as a romantic comedy harem so as not to piss off his editors. Must've been hard as hell to pull that off.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
But yeah, Akamatsu is a genius for dressing it up as a romantic comedy harem so as not to piss off his editors. Must've been hard as hell to pull that off.
To be fair, it really was a pointless rom-com for the first three, four volumes. Then Eva came along and shit got real. I wonder if he intended it from the start or just said 'fuck it' when he realized that his new series was turning out to be Love Hina 2.0.

Halycon said:
See I wonder about that panel.

She said it doesn't hurt because she tested it out?

But on who?

And when?

These are serious questions that demand serious answers.
And people say that harem series lack depth. This is serious business.
 
There are far more things happening backstage than people give Negima credit for, truly a work of well disguised genius.
 
Dresden said:
To be fair, it really was a pointless rom-com for the first three, four volumes. Then Eva came along and shit got real. I wonder if he intended it from the start or just said 'fuck it' when he realized that his new series was turning out to be Love Hina 2.0.

I'm pretty sure there's an interview somewhere where he said he wanted to do a battle manga but the higher-ups and editors wouldn't let him. The genre shift was probably his plan from the beginning. He just needed a way to transition into the crazy world of magic manliness and Eva was it.
 
I think we're all forgetting what TWGOK is really about.
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zoku88 said:
Never watched it. This thread almost got me to. Because of sex-hair >.>

Alas, my motivation has been done lately.
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Sex hair is sad.

A Black Falcon said:
I think it's sometimes one, sometimes the other. Of the harem shows I've seen that I can think of, some have actual single-character endings, others don't and just preserve the status quo, or have a "he lives with all of them" ending.

Tenchi Muyo OVA - lives with all of them
Ichiban Ushiro no Daimao - status quo ending
BakaTest - status quo

Kanon - single character
To Heart (original season) - single character
Air - um, no one I guess?
Love Hina - single character

etc. Both ending types are common.
add Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari (TM spin-off)
The "perfect" male harem lead but no romance interest at all in any girls.

And Air TV ain't a harem.
 
Well, I think it's about time I start Haibane Renmei. Should be a decent change of pace after Diebuster. Going in with low expectations though since it doesn't look like my cup of tea.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
Well, I think it's about time I start Haibane Renmei. Should be a decent change of pace after Diebuster. Going in with low expectations though since it doesn't look like my cup of tea.

Finally started this.

Nono is awesome :lol
 
zoku88 said:
Don't try to tempt me, demon!

I'll start this weekend
Solune said:
This gif alone tempts me to watch it...
I wouldn't endorse watching it, but some things are just :lol

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Awaiting the following arcs: Ayasuji "the class rep," Miya Tachibana, and secret stalker girl's
 
Halycon said:
How many harems did not have the iconic hero/heroine pairing?

I mean the moment you discover the Childhood Promise it's pretty much obvious who they're going to end up with.

In one episode:

Bakemono: Araragi got stapled in his mouth, verbally abused by the girl he saved, caught sight of his friend's panties when the wind blew up her skirt for a second, and outsourced his problems to a satanist hobo dressed in a hawaiian shirt living in an abandoned school who keeps a quit barely dressed jailbait girl nearby for no apparent reason.

Objection, in Bake the hawaiian shirt satanist was obviously the true ending.
 
Halycon said:
Is it? I have no idea. I read Negima, that turned into a shounen. And I read to-Love-ru, which didn't have an ending for other reasons.
Just wanted to point out that Shounen (like Shoujo and Seinen and Jousei) is a demographic, not a genre. I think most 'harem' anime--like Negima--that aren't based on a bishoujo game tend to fall under the Shounen demographic. I do tend to use the demographics as the genre too, though.

Then you have stuff like Zakuro (a seinen manga) that takes some very obvious shoujo/josei elements and confuses the classification of demographics.
 
JKTrix said:
Just wanted to point out that Shounen (like Shoujo and Seinen and Jousei) is a demographic, not a genre. I think most 'harem' anime--like Negima--that aren't based on a bishoujo game tend to fall under the Shounen demographic. I do tend to use the demographics as the genre too, though.

Then you have stuff like Zakuro (a seinen manga) that takes some very obvious shoujo/josei elements and confuses the classification of demographics.
Apparently Negima is popular among females.
 
Shoutabait.

There's also ample opportunities for gay gay pairings.
 
Haibane Renmei seems interesting enough. I can see it getting boring though. At least the music is great. I'll give it until episode 5 before I decide to continue or not.

JKTrix said:
Then you have stuff like Zakuro (a seinen manga) that takes some very obvious shoujo/josei elements and confuses the classification of demographics.

Zakuro is seinen? The designs and eyes are very shoujoish. Weird.
 
Well, I just watched the first episode of Zakuro, and I think that's the worst thing I've seen in quite some time. At least Panty and Stocking made me laugh once or twice. That just what a cliched train wreck of epic proportions.
 
cosmicblizzard said:
Well, I think it's about time I start Haibane Renmei. Should be a decent change of pace after Diebuster. Going in with low expectations though since it doesn't look like my cup of tea.

Haibane Renmei is so incredibly amazing... some people find it depressing though, even more than Air, but somehow I focus more on the good side of it when I think about it. Either way though, it's one of the best. I like Lain more, but Haibane Renmei is very nearly as good... it's just an incredible series, in my opinion. Easily one of the best anime series ever.

Geneijin said:
A Black Falcon said:
I think it's sometimes one, sometimes the other. Of the harem shows I've seen that I can think of, some have actual single-character endings, others don't and just preserve the status quo, or have a "he lives with all of them" ending.

Tenchi Muyo OVA 1+2 - lives with all of them
Ichiban Ushiro no Daimao - status quo ending
BakaTest - status quo

Kanon - single character
To Heart (original season) - single character
Air - um, no one I guess?
Love Hina - single character

etc. Both ending types are common.

add Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari (TM spin-off)
The "perfect" male harem lead but no romance interest at all in any girls.

I was only listing animes that I've actually finished. There are more, but those are some I thought of offhand...

I've only watched one episode of Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari. It's a Tenchi spinoff though, right? Seemed alright, maybe I'll eventually watch more.

As for some other harem shows I've finished... um...

Koihime Musou & Shin Koihime Musou - harem with no guy. Status quo-ish endings with regard to the constant yuri themes.
Kampfer - I guess this sort of counts... anyway, the anime has no ending, but the light novels supposedly do end with one character. Maybe there'll be a second season?
Ranma - I shouldn't have to explain this one... (yes, I've watched every episode of Ranma. Read the whole manga too.)

Oh, and Ouran and Fruits Basket (both are pretty good) count as reverse harem shows, I guess, so those too. I don't know about the mangas, but neither anime really has an ending.


All of the above series I liked. Below are harem series (or seasons of series) I've finished, but didn't like that much.

Ai Yori Aoshi (first series) - single character ending. I hated this show so much, Aoi is such a ridiculous doormat, she has absolutely no independent character, she only exists to love the main character guy and be the perfect girl for him, she reshapes her appearance, character, attitude, etc. towards what she thinks he wants... UGH! Blatant Japanese sexism here for sure. But anyway, it's obvious she's the one from the beginning, but then a bunch of other people are introduced and lots of awful excuses come up to keep anything from happening. Yeah, it's that kind of show.

I'm sure there are more, there are way too many harem shows. I've watched all ten episodes of Hand Maid May (stays with all of them though one is the primary), for some reason, for example. Not a very good show. DNA2 (single character) too, watched all 12 episodes of that. Of these three shows in this category DNA2 is the best, but it's still thoroughly mediocre.

And Air TV ain't a harem.

I guess you could argue that, but it has a lot in common with harem shows for sure, and is based on a harem-style game... the main thing I can think of that differentiates it is the ending, really. I mean, the story is sad, but Key always does that, harem-focused thing or no, so that's nothing special.
 
Infinite Justice said:
The dub is great and the best way to watch this imo.
I was just going to ask about that. I'm only up to ep 3, but I've stuck with the dub so far because it didn't seem all that bad.

Good dub work is awesome.
 
Infinite Justice said:
The dub is great and the best way to watch this imo.

Yeah, the dub is amazing. Sabat takes a few episodes to get adjusted as Kuwabara, and baby Koenma's voice isn't great, but overall the cast is excellent and the script is amazing for the most part (outside of never quite communicating exactly what the Spirit Wave is, but that's a minor gripe).
 
ANN CEO speaks on the simulcast leak

"this was not, as many claim, a simple case of pointing a web browser to a URL," but rather an exploitation requiring "a fairly advanced knowledge and software tools, and spoofing a security protocol."
Really?

Too bad for OreImo and Togainu no Chi though as it seems like they're being suspended indefinitely. More simulcasts in January perhaps though.
 
Joule said:
ANN CEO speaks on the simulcast leak


Really?

Too bad for OreImo and Togainu no Chi though as it seems like they're being suspended indefinitely. More simulcasts in January perhaps though.

My impression was that it was a relatively simple "hack" and that the URL was being passed around 4chan... but I'm not one to keep up with this stuff.

Either way, there's no reason to even have the episodes up anyway. Seriously, even if it was someone from the NSA with supercomputers crunching numbers in order to break into ANN's servers, there shouldn't be anything there to steal.

Oh well, we'll see what happens next year anyway. Like I said, I still feel bad that localizers lost their jobs over this. Maybe they'll get contracted again if ANN manages to get simulcasts back.

Wow, apparently from Aniplex's Facbook page:
"You guys suck. You pretty much spit in the face of every North American fan because of one stupid pirate. No we can't watch Ore Imouto. The fan backlash shall be swift and painful. Go back to japan corporate scum."

What the fuck. :lol
 
Joule said:
ANN CEO speaks on the simulcast leak


Really?

Too bad for OreImo and Togainu no Chi though as it seems like they're being suspended indefinitely. More simulcasts in January perhaps though.

I'm pretty sure that's his layman talk for "to get the file you would have needed to have a url snooper running in the background, and to have the basic know how of recording flash streams using additional software".

But that doesn't change the fact that the filename was fucking obvious and also uploaded way before it was due to be streamed, and it was more of a matter of when rather than if an episode would have eventually leaked with a system like that.
 
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