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[A Black Falcon]

Pages of harem discussion. I didn't know this thread still had it in it.

In my case, I was talking about Saki too, but nobody replied to my last post on it on page 233.

Other than that... um... well as I said I tried to watch the first episodes of TWGOK (above), MM!, and OreImo. OreImo I've said a few times was stupid, and it is, but MM! I haven't referenced. It's just as stupid or stupider, but at least I laughed a few times more than either of these other shows, so it has that at least... and it's a little odd too, the premise is at least slightly unique, even if the main female character isn't (she's a blatant tsundere, like most major female anime characters these days it seems). Don't know if I'll watch any more of it though, a lot of it was really dumb... oh, and of course it's got to have incestuous themes. Everything does these days, I guess. So dumb...

On that note, it wouldn't surprise me at all if in the end OreImo reveals that yes, the little sister is tsundere and actually loves her brother, she just wouldn't admit it to herself, etc. I mean, making that more obvious, I think it's hinted at that already.

The problem with all that is of course that in reality incest almost never happens because actual siblings generally have trouble tolerating eachother, much less anything more. It just doesn't happen in reality. I know anime people have little connection to real ones so that alone isn't enough to say much of anything, but it is at least a good part of why I find it stupid, I think. How many people fantasizing about this stuff actually have siblings...

I mean, I admit I've found it kind of amusing at times -- the frequency of incest options in Fire Emblem games is kind of silly for instance -- but overall it's absurdly common. OreImo's not nearly as bad as many here, I find the ridiculous sibling and mother of MM!'s main character much worse for example (or the Bakatest hero's sister, etc, etc), because she has much more of an actual character and at least it starts out denying that it happens in "reality", but considering that she seems to be sort of tsundere who knows if that will last.

Sorry, even worse topic than harems I think. Yes, I think this thread needs a topic change to something better.

 

[firehawk12]

[Amagami SS]

'Dunno... 'Never seen anything as specific as that (outside of this topic, I mean). And I just checked again.

I believe we only know that:
1) the video release will be 26 episodes long
2) all 6 main heroine arcs will be over by episode 24, leaving us with two "mystery episodes"
3) there will be a Kamizaki Risa arc (Kamizaki being the stalker girl)

I haven't seen anything about a Miya arc, nor about DVD/BD-only episodes (i.e. I haven't seen anything about episodes 25 and 26 not airing on TV, nor about some extra video releases beyond episode 26)...


Not in the game, anyway. And I doubt they'll change that.

Boop.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...ame-miya-tachibana-character-gets-video-anime

 

[DY_nasty]

What's funny was in episode 24 it SEEMED obvious that alto was going end up with sheryl. However episode 25 came and threw all of that away.:lol

Heck, i'm not even sure if alto showed much romantic interest in ranka throughout the whole series. Which makes the ending even more stupid.:lol

There were maybe 2 or 3 moments in the whole series where they actually got a chance to 'connect' but it was still dwarfed by all that went on between him and Sheryl. Ranka's relationship with him was clearly one-sided. At least Alto and Sheryl had some sort of tension going... Ranka was just in the way if anything.

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Ranka deserves to be alone. Or with the Gnosis space bugs she called in the first place SINCE SHE LOVES THEM SO MUCH. If only Alto wasn't instantly the best pilot in the fleet... she would've been killed, Luca would've cured Klan's loli-syndrome, Michael would've found out whatever happened to his sister even though everyone stopped caring, and Sheryl would've been able to sing Fire Bomber classics forever.

/ranka hate rant

 

[Dresden]

Senba: 11

Kazuya Nomura, the director for the second season, apparently directed this episode as well--and it shows. It's awesome. Three separate plotlines being juggled all at once, great action, and the battle at the temple is just badass. Now for the ending.

 

[Solune]

Right. Really that point makes no sense... so in TWOGK, the guy learns (maybe) that anime girls are anime girls, and in the "real world" of anime girls act just like the girls in galge games?

If they're trying to parody those games, they completely fail by making the supposed real world identical to the world of the games. That's called a homage or something, at best, not a parody. Or just call it a harem show.

That's not how TWGOK goes about it at all. Keima constantly plays galge and cannot be bothered with the "real". Due to his contract with Dokuro Skull he is forced to engage with "real" girls with Elsee in order to capture the spirits. This sets up some of the comedy in the series quite nicely. It's not the he's attracting his capture and making them fall in love with them. He's using his skills that he's learned as a capturing god and applying them to the girls in order to have them open up to him not so dissimilar to the galge he plays.
Besides you've watched the first episode and are basing alot of assumptions on very little. Just stick with it a little more and if it still hasn't clicked with you it doesn't suit your tastes. But i still wouldn't relegate TWGOK as just another harem, like I've said it's far from. I'm surprised there's so much criticism about it's premise without talking about other aspects of TWGOK that make it awesome.

 

[icecream]

If they're trying to parody those games, they completely fail by making the supposed real world identical to the world of the games. That's called a homage or something, at best, not a parody. Or just call it a harem show.

I'm not sure KamiNozo was supposed to be considered a 'parody' anime. As for the 2-D/3-D, it's not always that the 3-D girls he captures react like his standard 2-D heroines, it's more that the techniques he uses to capture the heroines in his games are applicable to his real world 'captures.'

Why in the world should something not be called a harem just because "the show doesn't show romantic intent"? That's ridiculous, harems are harems either way, and half the time this "lack of romantic intent" is just a censored or removed path from something that originally was an H-game anyway.

An anime with harem elements isn't the same thing as a 'harem' anime.

As for your comment about the games, it greatly depends on the game. There are heroine-filled 'harem' style games that fit the criteria I proposed exactly. But not all games work like this, and I consider the Key works as one of those that do not.

 

[Erigu]

[Amagami SS]

Boop.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...ame-miya-tachibana-character-gets-video-anime

Ah, thanks!
But as usual, ANN got some stuff wrong... According the original article, episodes 25 and 26 will be the Kamizaki Risa and Miya arcs (and it does make sense to end on Miya, if they follow the game), but there's nothing about them not airing on TV.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Keima is not just making them fall in love with him. Some of the captures don't fall in love with him. Keima is trying to figure out what is causing the gap in their heart and fix it. Sometimes the problems are simple and sometimes they're much more complicated.

Plus as said before love isn't the only method either.

 

[firehawk12]

The only reason why TWOGK isn't a "true" harem is that they do the "mind wipe" thing though. It eases any culpability the dude might have had in this whole "capture" game.

 

[A Black Falcon]

I'm not sure KamiNozo was supposed to be considered a 'parody' anime. As for the 2-D/3-D, it's not always that the 3-D girls he captures react like his standard 2-D heroines, it's more that the techniques he uses to capture the heroines in his games are applicable to his real world 'captures.'

Well sure, but the point was that those techniques would almost certainly not work on actual real people. That they work on them shows how they aren't reacting like real people, but like anime girls like in the games, it seems... I mean okay, it isn't a 100% standard harem show. But it doesn't seem to be oh so different either, just self-referential to its genre.

I do admit though, to make some kind of final judgement yes I'd have to watch/read more of it.

An anime with harem elements isn't the same thing as a 'harem' anime.

As for your comment about the games, it greatly depends on the game. There are heroine-filled 'harem' style games that fit the criteria I proposed exactly. But not all games work like this, and I consider the Key works as one of those that do not.

Sure, there are varying degrees of harems, but I think you're just trying to make excuses... I mean sure, Key series are better than most any other harem series, sure I agree. But that doesn't mean that harems aren't in most of their works, or that that isn't a major part of most of their stuff.

 

[Dresden]

Plus as said before love doesn't have to be used either.

Yeah. I doubt the anime will reach that part before the second season, but we see that it's about filling the emptiness in the girls' hearts, and love just happens to be what Keima is good at. In the end, it's empathy that gets the job done, one way or the other--this is still true for Keima, since, while he may always start from the perspective of an expert galge player, "solving" the problem of the girls always requires him to understand their situation, and to help them work through it.

 

[zoku88]

Sure, there are varying degrees of harems, but I think you're just trying to make excuses... I mean sure, Key series are better than most any other harem series, sure I agree. But that doesn't mean that harems aren't in most of their works, or that that isn't a major part of most of their stuff.

What you're saying is mostly absurd, though. Calling all anime which have "harems", harem anime, even when the harem itself isn't the focus.

I mean, if it were anything else, it would be totally crazy. If someone said "hey, I want a romance novel" you wouldn't give them a mystery novel with small romantic subtext.

EDIT: I apologize if that was not your argument. That might be just to Branduil.

 

[A Black Falcon]

What you're saying is mostly absurd, though. Calling all anime which have "harems", harem anime, even when the harem itself isn't the focus.

I mean, if it were anything else, it would be totally crazy. If someone said "hey, I want a romance novel" you wouldn't give them a mystery novel with small romantic subtext.

EDIT: I apologize if that was not your argument. That might be just to Branduil.

Sure, it's possible for things to have harem themes without the shows being harem animes. Do you have some shows you'd use as examples of that? Something like Bakatest, where the primary theme is comedy, but there are also bits of various other things like harem, etc. tossed in too?

 

[zoku88]

Sure, it's possible for things to have harem themes without the shows being harem animes. Do you have some shows you'd use as examples of that? Something like Bakatest, where the primary theme is comedy, but there are also bits of various other things like harem, etc. tossed in too?

Zeta Gundam, maybe? Four and Kamille are pretty obvious. I think it's hinted that Fa likes Kamille (maybe?) I think that would fit Branduil's definition. I really don't have much memory of it.

EDIT: If you count the Gundam series as a whole. Then Char... what a pimp :lol :lol

 

[Solune]

The only reason why TWOGK isn't a "true" harem is that they do the "mind wipe" thing though. It eases any culpability the dude might have had in this whole "capture" game.

It's actually a plot device to set up the arcs later in the story.

 

[icecream]

I mean, if it were anything else, it would be totally crazy. If someone said "hey, I want a romance novel" you wouldn't give them a mystery novel with small romantic subtext

This is what I was driving at, I believe. For a person who's favorite show are harem anime like Sora no Otoshimono or ToLoverRu, it seems rather silly to recommend them Kanon as an example of a similar series with the same elements they would enjoy over something like Princess Lover!

The only reason why TWOGK isn't a "true" harem is that they do the "mind wipe" thing though. It eases any culpability the dude might have had in this whole "capture" game.

Although

Spoiler

once he starts searching for the Goddess, many of them begin to re-express their feelings, so technically it could still fit as a 'true' harem anime

 

[Geneijin]

Edit: I'll post it as a new post when I'm done.

 

[Jex]

Trawling for clips on youtube actually reveals that for once, youtube commenters know what is going on. They actually make sense :

"ie he sayd in his mind that i couldnt decide wich of them who were best.. isn't that obious? madoka ofc.."

True words friend, true words.

 

[Branduil]

Infinite Ryvius 13
Blue Airs is a man who realizes the true way to acquire a harem.

Things are certainly starting to reach Lord-of-the-Flies mode. Rationing and establishment of castes doesn't seem likely to go over well.

Faina continues to act erratically and suspiciously.

I'd feel more sorry for Charlie if he wasn't such a sap.

Spoiler

He even tries the stupid "I'm the only one who's capable of loving you" line before he wises up.

If Yuuki was a D&D character he'd have a -10 Diplomacy score.

It sometimes seems like Kouji and Heigar are the only characters truly taking things seriously.

 

[zoku88]

Trawling for clips on youtube actually reveals that for once, youtube commenters know what is going on. They actually make sense :

"ie he sayd in his mind that i couldnt decide wich of them who were best.. isn't that obious? madoka ofc.."

True words friend, true words.

School Days, right? Madoka or crazy girl... Yea, seems obvious to me. :lol

EDIT: I would go with neither. They're both nuts.

EDIT2: Wait, are you talking about some other anime? :lol

 

[Jex]

Heigar always knows where its at. That's why he's awesome.

School Days, right? Madoka or crazy girl... Yea, seems obvious to me. :lol

EDIT: I would go with neither. They're both nuts.

Nah, it's for KOR.

 

[zoku88]

Oh, I feel like an idiot :lol

 

[InfiniteNine]

School Days, right? Madoka or crazy girl... Yea, seems obvious to me. :lol

EDIT: I would go with neither. They're both nuts.

There is no Madoka in School Days! Sekai and Katsura

Spoiler

amoung others...

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

TWGOK

Much better work on Keima's characterization this time around, I think. The slipups in the first episode were almost certainly due to time constraints.

So from what I gather, it looks like they're adapting 17 chapters into 12 episodes.

My guess from the current pattern would be:

Episode 1 || Chapter 1 || Ayumi Arc
Episode 2 || Chapters 2, 3 || Transition / Mio Arc
Episode 3 || Chapters 3, 4, 5 || Mio Arc
Episode 4 || Chapters 6, 7 || Transition / Kanon Arc
Episode 5 || Chapters 8, 9, 10 || Kanon Arc
Episode 6 || Chapters 11, 12 || Transition
Episode 7 || Chapters 13, 14 || Shiori Arc
Episode 8 || Chapters 15, 16 || Shiori Arc
Episode 9 || Chapter 17 || Transition

...Except that leaves at least three episodes unaccounted for. That'll possibly be covered by filler material from the light novel. Either that, or they're going to have to drag something out, or they're actually covering more material than they ever indicated they would. If they added the Kusunoki and Haqua arcs, that would be...

Episode 9 || Chapters 17, 18 || Transition / Kusunoki Arc
Episode 10 || 19, 20, 21 || Kusunoki Arc
Episode 11 || 22, 23, 24 || Haqua Arc
Episode 12 || 25, 26, 27 || Haqua Arc

That would be the ideal situation and the Haqua Arc would be a freaking great way to end the season. It's just unlikely at this point because neither Kusunoki nor Haqua are anywhere to be found on the website or in the OP/ED.

If it does cut off with Chapter 17 and we get filler instead, I'm going to be a bit bummed. The manga is on Chapter 117 now, you'd think that they could afford to cover more when they're going by season.

 

[zoku88]

There is no Madoka in School Days! Sekai and Katsura

Spoiler

amoung others...

I'm just horrible with names. I'm surprised you guys can keep up

Spoiler

I would still go with neither of them

 

[Branduil]

Heigar always knows where its at. That's why he's awesome.

I know, right? I may not always agree with him, but he'd make a fine first officer, regardless.

Yuuki should be a janitor or something.

 

[Dresden]

I'm just horrible with names. I'm surprised you guys can keep up

Spoiler

I would still go with neither of them

That's too reasonable. As the main character, it's your duty to dabble with these fine, psychotic women.

 

[InfiniteNine]

That's too reasonable. As the main character, it's your duty to dabble with these fine, psychotic women.

That and he's contractually obligated to at least date Kotonoha then sex Sekai.

 

[zoku88]

That's too reasonable. As the main character, it's your duty to dabble with these fine, psychotic women.

I think I must pray...

Oh God...Please...please give me an ending that let's me live.

 

[Geneijin]

[Amagami SS]

Ah, thanks!
But as usual, ANN got some stuff wrong... According the original article, episodes 25 and 26 will be the Kamizaki Risa and Miya arcs (and it does make sense to end on Miya, if they follow the game), but there's nothing about them not airing on TV.

You're right. ANN lists an air date for episode 25 and 26. We'll see then.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I think I must pray...

Oh God...Please...please give me an ending that let's me live.

Well Keima might lose his head so he ain't safe either

 

[Joule]

After recommending to someone the Time of Eve Ova I realized I hadn't checked out the movie yet. Just finished watching it and it's excellent as expected. The newly added bits do bring some meaningful content. All the Nagi centric additions aside, one particular addition was quite powerful. The part where

Spoiler

Sammy runs a disc scan on herself and it flashes through her memories where the last memory was of some boys hitting her with a bat

is a little frightening when you think that the androids can replay those memories accurately despite how nightmarish it can be.

Really one of the better anime works I've seen in awhile. It's really well put together. I think everyone should give it a look. It's quite engaging and the humor is weaved in well with the more serious points of the work.

Also

 

[Jex]

KOR 16 : Wherein we learn what I had hoped was obvious to the writers, but it clearly wasn't. The plot should not revolve around some psychic/paranormal event because that's far too silly.

It works best when that's just an added wrinkle in the overall interaction between characters, not the driving force.

Also, stalking a girl is once again seen as "cute". No, that's creepy.

Oh, she likes to be chased. That doesn't make sense either - she rode away on a motorcycle, how was he supposed to logically catch-up? Not without his god damned powers, that's for sure.

KOR 17 : 3.25 minutes in, Kasuga makes a dick move. Wow, record time considering the OP is 2.0 minutes long.

Pulling this kind of stuff is starting the long road to decapitation, if these women actually noticed anything.

 

[Dresden]

I do need to check out the Time of Eve movie. Really liked the OVAs.

I just realized that I still haven't watched UBW or the second Eden of the East movie. Oh well.

 

[Haly]

You can skip both. The movie doesn't add all that much either but it's appreciated.

 

[Erigu]

[Eve no Jikan]

The part where

Spoiler

Sammy runs a disc scan on herself and it flashes through her memories where the last memory was of some boys hitting her with a bat

is a little frightening when you think that the androids can replay those memories accurately despite how nightmarish it can be.

Spoiler

Those weren't some boys (although that's also what I thought I had seen myself, at first). It's actually a character you know (and thus a piece of the bigger plot).

 

[duckroll]

So is everyone ready for the next BONES show in Jan?

 

[InfiniteNine]

The World God Only Knows Episode 02:
Pretty fun episode~! Elsie trying to gain Keima's approval

Spoiler

and in the process destroying his family

was pretty funny. Being new to this would explains her clumsyness concerning the loose soul business as well. Next up is the mistakenly identified

Spoiler

poor

Ojou-sama route! Think I'll pick up the manga now as well.

So is everyone ready for the next BONES show in Jan?

Yes! Hopefully it's more interesting than their current show.

 

[Infinite Justice]

After beating around the bush a bit i can finally talk about Diebuster episode 1



It was an cool start and even brought up some comedy (poor dog :lol )

Nono is this overly cheery and bubbly person while the other girl is just calm and serious but i'm liking both (Nono especially :lol ). It gets interesting near the end with

Spoiler

Nono's abilities and showing she's not what i thought at the beginning. Also a nice Gunbuster homage with Nono's kick :lol

The battles look great , the explosions are "DAMN" plus the entire vibe reminded me of FLCL (i actually checked after and saw it was the same dude who did both).


Since the other girl is as interested as i am in regards to Nono, i'm looking forward to the next ep.

 

[Haly]

Goth lolis? Yes please.

 

[duckroll]

Yes! Hopefully it's more interesting than their current show.

I hate you!

 

[Branduil]

Infinite Ryvius 14
Looks like they're in trouble now. I really hope someone ejects Blue's harlots into space.

Also, Faina is truly a creepy character. Her subtle descent into psycho girlfriend is almost complete.

 

[InfiniteNine]

I hate you!

I hate being let down by things I had high hopes for! That goes for two shows this season so pffft!

 

[Apath]

I didn't like Keima's voice or the flow of the first episode, but otherwise I enjoyed it more than most recent anime I watch.

Loved the intro though.

 

[Jex]

So is everyone ready for the next BONES show in Jan?

*chokes*

No. May it never be.

 

[icecream]

No. May it never be.

Don't knock it just yet. It's about time for a good mystery anime again, and who better to lead us to the promised land than BONES!

 

[InfiniteNine]

Don't knock it just yet. It's about time for a good mystery anime again, and who better to lead us to the promised land than BONES!

I do love mystery! Last chance BONES after this I won't assume all of your stuff is generally pretty good.

 

[Lafiel]

I'm more interested in what the BONE studio that made stuff like wolf's rain, eureka seven, xamdou etc. Is going make next year.

 

[duckroll]

I'm more interested in what the BONE studio that made stuff like wolf's rain, eureka seven, xamdou etc. Is going make next year.

But Wolf's Rain is by A Studio, and E7 and Xam'd are by B Studio...

 

[Lafiel]

But Wolf's Rain is by A Studio, and E7 and Xam'd are by B Studio...

What so the studio that made wolf's rain is making gosick? :lol