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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery
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Does your library not have an agreement with say the libraries of your county or the region? My town has like 6 libraries and the titles can be reserved and picked up from any of them, of course allowing them time to transfer it. Of course, that said my libraries combined all suck.
Anyways, I watched episodes 1 and 2 of Fortune Arterial not quiet what I expected although it's exactly what it is, I just misread Arterial for Arietal or some shit so imagine my surprise when it wasn't just a mere stupid show about some kid who's moved a lot during his childhood finally getting to stick with one school and make friends, it's a stupid show about some kid who's moved a lot during his childhood finally getting to stick with one school and make friends some of whom may be vampires or the eastern facsimile of vampires, yay. I find it rather hilarious that both concepts are equally tired as vampires should be unique but after Vampire Knight, Dance in the Vampire Bund and who knows how many others having vampires in your school is as mundane as there being no vampires, that's progress I guess.
Episode 2 also featured the tired cliche of the main character walking in on one of them feeding, acting a fool upon seeing this and then cutting away and showing him later so yet again I've yet to see just how the goofy, clumsy, easily excitable, loud, scene making, indiscreet main character in these shows always manages to walk in on this, seemingly get looked straight at by the vampire wearing some bloody grin as the main character fumbles around and makes all kinds of noises in a relatively small confined area and somehow goes unnoticed by the vampire, a beast that supposedly has better reflexes, sight, smell and hearing than your average human, and escapes unharmed. A shame as I wanted to learn the secret for future reference.
This is a bigger gripe to me than "how does Squid Girl speak perfect Japanese, know their main dishes and yet not know what a birthday or cake is?"
Anyways, I watched episodes 1 and 2 of Fortune Arterial not quiet what I expected although it's exactly what it is, I just misread Arterial for Arietal or some shit so imagine my surprise when it wasn't just a mere stupid show about some kid who's moved a lot during his childhood finally getting to stick with one school and make friends, it's a stupid show about some kid who's moved a lot during his childhood finally getting to stick with one school and make friends some of whom may be vampires or the eastern facsimile of vampires, yay. I find it rather hilarious that both concepts are equally tired as vampires should be unique but after Vampire Knight, Dance in the Vampire Bund and who knows how many others having vampires in your school is as mundane as there being no vampires, that's progress I guess.
Episode 2 also featured the tired cliche of the main character walking in on one of them feeding, acting a fool upon seeing this and then cutting away and showing him later so yet again I've yet to see just how the goofy, clumsy, easily excitable, loud, scene making, indiscreet main character in these shows always manages to walk in on this, seemingly get looked straight at by the vampire wearing some bloody grin as the main character fumbles around and makes all kinds of noises in a relatively small confined area and somehow goes unnoticed by the vampire, a beast that supposedly has better reflexes, sight, smell and hearing than your average human, and escapes unharmed. A shame as I wanted to learn the secret for future reference.
This is a bigger gripe to me than "how does Squid Girl speak perfect Japanese, know their main dishes and yet not know what a birthday or cake is?"
I think Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru, Kuragehime or Index II might beat it but in all honesty OreImo is up there. At this point it's all on supposed potential and any of the three I listed may never reach their potential but so far OreImo's been decent, as much as I hate to say it considering how I hated the manga.faridmon said:
Jex
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Bu-bu-but 7th said :mAcOdIn said:
"Soredemo Machi wa Mawatteiru (Shaft)
Manga adaptation. Super-quirky whimsical maid comedy that supposedly isn't that bad. Except, it is by Shaft, so it will probably be not good at all.".
Also, you guys are missing all those great DEEN shows!
Spooky. Are you a psychic?Hitokage said:
Anyway I haven't actually been 'disappointed' by a shows premise not working out for awhile. Apart from Rideback.
The think that got me, is how well paced is it through out. I mean, I never had a mere second that superflous and felt lie a filler like many Comedy Anime out there, and it seems that it definitely hits it points that it tries to make on the head of th nail. The subject might be stupid or you might disagree with it, but I have to give it to it, It knows what it is it doing :lolmAcOdIn said:
SpoilerHitokage said:
You just spoiled Star Driver 
That's a relatively safe bet to make.Hitokage said:
Psh, if it can catch up to Natsu no Arashi it'll be fun, nothing I'd buy for a rewatch but worth watching and be decent.Jexhius said:
He told me I'd die alone too, that bastard! Tell me he was wrong!Jexhius said:
Yeah, it does have good pacing it's well structured with little waste, something Index should learn damnit.faridmon said:
Show of the season to highlight the fall of anime maybe.Lafiel said:
A late response:
And I disagree with the statement in bold. By that logic, you could also say most of the female characters will dislike the male protagonist, but they just didn't animate those paths. The two mediums - the show and the game - should be treated and seen as two different and separate experiences. It's almost like you're saying because the anime didn't animate this and that moment from its original source material i.e. manga, we should assume what happens in the manga also applies to its anime counterpart.
I'll wholeheartedly agree the construction of Air TV's story is structured like a harem, but it should not be labeled a harem show because of it if they show no romantic interest in the protagonist in the anime. The closest you could say is Misuzu, and if you do, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I saw Yukito and Misuzu like an older brother and younger sister at most. I don't care if it happened in the game.
Unless labeling conventions change and resemble your thoughts of what makes an anime/show a harem anime, I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of labeling Air TV and many other shows harem animes when they have harem elements/harem themes at best.
You mean harem animes based on such games right?A Black Falcon said:
And I disagree with the statement in bold. By that logic, you could also say most of the female characters will dislike the male protagonist, but they just didn't animate those paths. The two mediums - the show and the game - should be treated and seen as two different and separate experiences. It's almost like you're saying because the anime didn't animate this and that moment from its original source material i.e. manga, we should assume what happens in the manga also applies to its anime counterpart.
I'll wholeheartedly agree the construction of Air TV's story is structured like a harem, but it should not be labeled a harem show because of it if they show no romantic interest in the protagonist in the anime. The closest you could say is Misuzu, and if you do, we'll just have to agree to disagree because I saw Yukito and Misuzu like an older brother and younger sister at most. I don't care if it happened in the game.
Why should the anime be labeled as a harem show if there are overtones at best but not enough for a true confirmation? I'm just not a fan of this theory you have where it's okay to assume the state of a relationship in an anime because it happened in the game or elsewhere or the assumption it would have happen anyway. Air TV doesn't even have any of those overtones, unless friendship falls under your classification, then I dislike how broad your classification of a harem/harem show is. It's narrative structure resembles a harem/harem anime. That's it.A Black Falcon said:
Then Air TV has harem elements, and I definitely concede that. But it should not be labeled a harem.Branduil said:
Then I don't mind you saying a show has harem elements. But saying the show is a harem anime/show is too far. If your definition of a harem is similar to wikipedia's where the protagonist is surrounded/associated with 3 or more members of the opposite sex, then I wouldn't mind agreeing with your definition even if I disagree with your classification of what a harem anime is. Personally, if the harem anime doesn't have involve romantic intent towards the protagonist, why label the anime as a harem anime? Lelouch has a harem, but enough to call it a harem anime? It has themes of a harem certainly.A Black Falcon said:
This is what I feel he's saying/arriving at which I disagree with.zoku88 said:
If you agree Bakatest has harem themes and agree it's not a harem anime/show, then why is Air TV an exception? Air TV is a not a harem anime.A Black Falcon said:
Unless labeling conventions change and resemble your thoughts of what makes an anime/show a harem anime, I'm just uncomfortable with the idea of labeling Air TV and many other shows harem animes when they have harem elements/harem themes at best.
Ignis Fatuus
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TWGOK 3 was great, even better than the manga. That may have something to do with the really shitty scanslation job but still, it's nice to see that the studio got their act together after Episode 1.
Now let's see...it says that the next chapter is called 今そこにある聖戦, which is weird because that is Chapter 17 from the manga. That's out of chronological order (though as a transition chapter it could fit anywhere without breaking continuity) and furthermore the fact that its taking up a whole episode is not encouraging.
Time to update my prediction for the season...
Episode 11 || Chapters 22, 23, 24 || Haqua Arc
Episode 12 || Chapters 25, 26 || Haqua Arc
I'll be very disappointed if they choose not to end with the Haqua arc. There is no excuse! It is the only early arc that would make sense as a season finale. I can't even begin to expostulate about how lame it would be to just have the Haqua arc in the middle of the second season.
It probably won't happen anyway for whatever inane reason.
Now let's see...it says that the next chapter is called 今そこにある聖戦, which is weird because that is Chapter 17 from the manga. That's out of chronological order (though as a transition chapter it could fit anywhere without breaking continuity) and furthermore the fact that its taking up a whole episode is not encouraging.
Time to update my prediction for the season...
...Except that this still leaves two episodes unaccounted for and furthermore doesn't end with a satisfying climax. Theoretically they could give Chapter 11 and 12 their own episodes (even though they're just the same events from different perspectives), and that'd bring the count up to 11. Then they could drag out, say, the Kanon arc. But that would just suck. If they're breaking continuity with the transition chapters they could bring more of them in from later in the series. Hopefully they just skip over Kusunoki for now and go with:Ignis Fatuus said:
Episode 11 || Chapters 22, 23, 24 || Haqua Arc
Episode 12 || Chapters 25, 26 || Haqua Arc
I'll be very disappointed if they choose not to end with the Haqua arc. There is no excuse! It is the only early arc that would make sense as a season finale. I can't even begin to expostulate about how lame it would be to just have the Haqua arc in the middle of the second season.
It probably won't happen anyway for whatever inane reason.
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trejo said:
Some anime are probably worth missing.
Sora no Otoshimono Forte
Hellsing321
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I've been rewatching Mushi-shi on Netflix and I'm still amazed at how powerful each episode is. There are very few series that can be as emotionally powerful in their entire run as Mushi-shi is in a single episode. The dub is surprisingly good as well. They do a good job of conveying a similar tone and seriousness as the Japanese VA.
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firehawk12 said:
Please think very carefully about that request....
Almost 24 hours on a single page. Animu GAF dying?
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Dresden said:
That's gaf in a nutshell. Once everyone actually starts doing something, they tend to talk about it less. Then they stop doing it and complain about it for months.
I've been watching the ALCS, getting my ass kicked at work and went on a mandatory break (sorry Hitokage! ^^;;
In the meantime, I saw a couple shows:
Unlimited Blade Works - Bah. The original FSN left me with a bad taste of Shiro and no amount of him GAR-ing it up could save this. The animation was good for [EDIT: DEEN not JC Staff, crap I hate DEEN] but it sure didn't feel like a movie. Also apparently, sex with Rin = Ice, sex with Saber = fire.
5 cm/s - Wowowwow. I never got why Shinkai Makoto was so popular (IMO most of Ghibli + Hosoda make better movie) but 5cm/s was pretty good. Because of Voices of a Distant Star, I thought this was gonna be scifi crap but its well written and has a lot of quiet time that just show awesome scenery.
Index 2 - OMG, more Kugimiya Rie. Make it stop T_T The severe lack of Railgun in the first 2 eps bring this waaaay down. 1/10.
Soredemo Machi ni Mawatteiru - The surprise of the season. I had no expectations for this show whatsoever and it blew me away. I realize SHAFT likes doing irreverent stuff like this but Arashiyama is just awesome. I've always had a soft spot for tennen boke characters.
Bakuman - So far so good. Takagi is a great character but Saikou is rather unlikeable. Unlikeable main leads are a deal breaker for me so I hope he picks it up. The premise is weird and I have a feeling its gonna turn into standard Shonen "let's do our best".
MM - WTF. The less said about this show the better. I mean, wow, I can't believe I watched this.
Star Driver - I'm not sure what I watched but it reminded me of those old robot shows with the masked enemies and everything. I'm gonna have to watch more than 1 ep but I'm not feeling this show very much. The main guy just pops out of nowhere and is suddenly way awesome. He reminds me of Basara -_- Although Fukuyama Jun being in this makes me want to see more of it.
In the meantime, I saw a couple shows:
Unlimited Blade Works - Bah. The original FSN left me with a bad taste of Shiro and no amount of him GAR-ing it up could save this. The animation was good for [EDIT: DEEN not JC Staff, crap I hate DEEN] but it sure didn't feel like a movie. Also apparently, sex with Rin = Ice, sex with Saber = fire.
5 cm/s - Wowowwow. I never got why Shinkai Makoto was so popular (IMO most of Ghibli + Hosoda make better movie) but 5cm/s was pretty good. Because of Voices of a Distant Star, I thought this was gonna be scifi crap but its well written and has a lot of quiet time that just show awesome scenery.
Index 2 - OMG, more Kugimiya Rie. Make it stop T_T The severe lack of Railgun in the first 2 eps bring this waaaay down. 1/10.
Soredemo Machi ni Mawatteiru - The surprise of the season. I had no expectations for this show whatsoever and it blew me away. I realize SHAFT likes doing irreverent stuff like this but Arashiyama is just awesome. I've always had a soft spot for tennen boke characters.
Bakuman - So far so good. Takagi is a great character but Saikou is rather unlikeable. Unlikeable main leads are a deal breaker for me so I hope he picks it up. The premise is weird and I have a feeling its gonna turn into standard Shonen "let's do our best".
MM - WTF. The less said about this show the better. I mean, wow, I can't believe I watched this.
Star Driver - I'm not sure what I watched but it reminded me of those old robot shows with the masked enemies and everything. I'm gonna have to watch more than 1 ep but I'm not feeling this show very much. The main guy just pops out of nowhere and is suddenly way awesome. He reminds me of Basara -_- Although Fukuyama Jun being in this makes me want to see more of it.
A Black Falcon
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Hitokage said:
I'm finding most of the shows this season disappointing, but Panty & Stocking (funny but really weird, we'll see if it stays good... even just for the uniqueness though, it's worth paying attention to.) and Milky Holmes (exceeded my expectations by a good bit, I definitely like this show and it's pretty funny, too bad nobody else is watching) are good. The rest... not so much.
OreImo -- I've said several times already that I don't like this show at all so I won't repeat myself much, but it does make me wonder yet again why in the world Japanese anime/manga/etc. loves incest so much... I don't get it at all. Is it really just people without actual siblings fantasizing about what they imagine it'd be like (read: how it is not at all like in reality), or is there anything else behind how common incest stuff is in anime?
Geneijin said:
Sure, but the characters are usually the same. Sure, the other arcs aren't animated, but it's usually still clear that all of the girls like the guy. If it's a no-ending show, it'll then just continue inconclusively; if it's a one character wins show, it'll usually end up with one clear main character within the harem, while all of the others either only get a small focus or are jealous of the lead one's success.
I think you can usually tell that all the people in a harem still like the main character, even if they aren't the "winners" in the anime.
I mean, if there really was a case where in the anime there's absolutely no sign of attraction but in the game she was a romantic path yes, it would be possible for what you're saying to happen, but such things are pretty uncommon I think. It might annoy fans of that character after all, you're better off suggesting that there is some attraction (on the harem member's part at least), even if it's not going anywhere because the 'winner' has already been determined.
Still though, yes, games and animes are different. I mean, in a game you can have many potential endings, and it's often unclear which is the "correct" one, if any indeed is. In an anime or manga though, you must have just one ending. That certainly means there will be differences.
Harems aside, considering that they are different versions of the same things, you don't think that you can't do that at all? Really? I mean yes, each one is different, but they are also versions of the same thing so I think comparing them to at least some degree is reasonable.
I haven't watched Air in several years, so I don't remember the details really, but it introduces various girls, has arcs for them, etc... very harem-style in design. I think that makes it a harem show, even if, yes, the ending is very nonstandard for a harem series.
But also of course, you are right that I don't think of the game and anime as being as completely separated as you do. But even just in the anime, the structure is definitely still there.
Pretending that it exists in a vacuum where it's not an anime based on an h-game is kind of silly, I think... and anyway, he meets all the girls, talks with them, etc, right? I forget if there are signs of them liking eachother, it's been too long since I've seen it, but I remember that much at least.
Well, yeah, I think the structure of the show in general matters a lot -- is the show mostly about the harem and such, or is it about other things and the harem elements are a secondary or side note? That would be the line, I think, and yeah, plenty of shows would be in that latter category.
Like, the guy in Nadesico has a sizable harem, and it definitely could be called a harem show (that's certainly one of its major traits), but #1 it's probably giant robot anime homage/parody, not harem.
I just remember it being more haremey than you do, I guess.
Crash Station
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Squid Girl 3 was good. Always amusing to see the only character with common sense struggle to adapt.
A Black Falcon
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zeroshiki said:
Yeah, really. It has constant incest suggestions. Anyone who can't see them really isn't looking, or has no idea what actual (ie combative) sibling relationships are like. Even in the first episode it seemed pretty obvious that the girl is a usual "likes him but can't admit it to herself sort of" character, for instance. But of course she is, the show exists more for incest fans than anyone else I'm sure.
Sure, at first it tries to assume some plausible deniability by having them both deny liking eachother at the beginning, but considering the title and structure of the show, I don't think that means that much long term...
Also,
look up spoilers of volumes 6 and 7 of the light novel if you want. Sounds like that they like eachother gets more blatant with time.
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Halycon said:
Wait, what? :lol
Hellsing321
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mononoawaremononoawaremononoawaremononoawarefirehawk12 said:
There certainly are few background artists in the anime business today who can match Shinkai's ability to render clouds. I also appreciate his willingness to draw all kinds of clouds and not just the stereotypical anime cumulonimbus.Jexhius said:
He also proves there's nothing wrong with digital painting.
Hellsing321
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Fixed.Jexhius said:
A Black Falcon
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Branduil said:
Yeah, pretty much, I'd agree with that.
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