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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery

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Halycon said:
I don't know if you like Shinkai actually but his movies are pretty much mono no aware personified so I assume people who like Shinkai are pretentious literary dicks.

(I like Shinkai)
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Oh yes yes yes, of course. For some reason I thought you were saying I thought the opposite. I need sleep. :lol

Jexhius said:
Because there are people who like 'dem clouds.
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Hellsing321 said:
mononoawaremononoawaremononoawaremononoaware
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Hnnnnng!
 
Laying out the cheerful impressions : http://www.colonydrop.com/index.php/2010/10/20/the-anime-ghetto-at-ny-comic-con?blog=1

Far from the exhibition floor, there was an invisible line in the Javits Center that weekend: one that denoted where the comic con ended and where the anime con began. I marked this line down in my mind late in the first day, when I stopped to make a phone call and saw my first pack of running, screaming Hetalia cosplayers. This display was immediately followed by a creepy girl who was going around the hallway alone and serially glomping any character she recognized. It had taken me all day to get there— NYCC offered me more as a gamer than NYAF offered me as an anime fan— but there was no mistaking that I was now in Anime Country.
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What exactly has separating Japan’s animation and comics from everybody else’s done for us? The whole phenomenon is a construction of the Western fanbase (on both sides!) that’s done nothing but force us deeper and deeper into ultra-niche irrelevance. NYCC’s show floor had room for every kind of nerd. By no means did the show limit itself to comics: people were shilling absolutely anything they thought might sell to a geek. If we insist upon being the anime ghetto at a show like this, all we’re doing is holding ourselves back.
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Sleep is for the weak, your backlog awaits.

I'll watch Katanagatari after this level I swear.
 
jman2050 said:
Wait, you're implying there are anime romances not involving tsunderes? That's news to me!
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5 cm/s - Wowowwow. I never got why Shinkai Makoto was so popular
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He's incredibly overrated. I like his style and films, but he really needs to branch out and not make the same movie over and over but with different settings.:lol

It has heavy suggestions of it, though. I mean, I get that it doesn't and probably plays against the stereotype but from the title, it blatantly is selling itself as a siscon show.
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True. But i don't think it's going turn into that. I mean i admit it has some suggestions, but they probably aren't going go that far. I do find the suggestive stuff funny in how the show could instantly turn into that kind of thing with a few adjustments.:lol


Also,
look up spoilers of volumes 6 and 7 of the light novel if you want. Sounds like it gets more blatant with time.
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Well, the anime isn't even going go that far in the adaptation anyway. Unless the show is popular enough to get a second series!
 
cosmicblizzard said:
Yeah, the anime fest area was small as hell compared to the giant double floor area comic con had. Of course there was anime stuff there too, but it really made me think about the state of the medium here.

There was also a tiny-ass manga library with no more than 8 people in it at any given time.
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Cons are an odd beast. I think the cross over between fans is very small though.
 
Lafiel said:
He's incredibly overrated. I like his style and films, but he really needs to branch out and not make the same movie over and over but with different settings.:lol
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He's really good at what he does, though, would his stuff be as good if it was different?

True. But i don't think it's going turn into that. I mean i admit it has some suggestions, but they probably aren't going go that far. I do find the suggestive stuff funny in how the show could instantly turn into that kind of thing with a few adjustments.:lol

Well, the anime isn't even going go that far in the adaptation anyway. Unless the show is popular enough to get a second series!
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So basically, you think that it's likely that the anime won't get far enough to get to the point where the series
seems to flip that switch you mention in the first part there
, unless it gets a second season? :)

You're likely right about that, but I don't know that that changes what's actually going on...
 
Lafiel said:
He's incredibly overrated. I like his style and films, but he really needs to branch out and not make the same movie over and over but with different settings.:lol
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YOu shut your whore mouth! >:(

Asking Shinkai to not make a film about teenagers in love who are separated by distance is like asking Miyazaki to not subvert shoujo/girl stereotypes in his movies.

(Okay so he did spirited away but still!)
 
A Black Falcon said:
He's really good at what he does, though, would his stuff be as good if it was different?
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Who knows, but that's not the issue. If he just keeps rolling out the same stuff again people will bet bored of it, no matter how pertty it is it.

If he's really a good director then he will be a bit more flexible.

TWGOK 2+3 : Branduil should watch these just to be annoyed by the shows conflicting premise and message.
 
Halycon said:
YOu shut your whore mouth! >:(

Asking Shinkai to not make a film about teenagers in love who are separated by distance is like asking Miyazaki to not subvert shoujo/girl stereotypes in his movies.

(Okay so he did spirited away but still!)
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Miyazaki goes through phases.

He's now in the plucky strong-willed girl heroine phase.
 
He's really good at what he does, though, would his stuff be as good if it was different?
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Most of the big anime-directors like kon, takahata, miyazaki etc. Can at least branch out and make films in different genres and not re-use the same plot set-up over and over again while retaining a familiar style. I think he does what he does well, but if he makes at least 6 or 10 films that revolve around lovers separated by distance . I'd probably get sick of him.:lol

YOu shut your whore mouth! >:(

Asking Shinkai to not make a film about teenagers in love who are separated by distance is like asking Miyazaki to not subvert shoujo/girl stereotypes in his movies.
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Miyazaki can at least branch out though. Movies like my neighbour totoro, nausicaa and porco rosso all differentiate from each other in a number of ways.:)
 
Steroyd said:
Fortune Arterial - 2

Vampires, vampires, vampires.... where the fuck are my vampires!?
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They're there, did you miss the scene?
Why the fuck am I spoiling this shit, the Student Council President is one and the VP is probably one as her eyes turned red when she went for the bunny.

Probably all going to be nice vampires though, no one seems to mention any weirdness at the school like missing people or anything so it's probably a school primarily for Vampires or some shit.
 
he's only made 2.5 films so far though, give him a break.
*Jaw drops. Right click->save, right click->save, right click->save, right click->save, right click->save.*
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The correct response to any screenshot from his films!
 
obligatory bake rage since someone mentioned it again

Branduil said:
So that's at least 3 people who don't mind Omigawa's voice.
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imo she really depends on the role. supposedly she got typecast deep when she's naturally squeaky, which i guess explains why I couldn't stand her as maka but don't mind her p-ko or nazuna.

speaking of which, two days left~ i can barely wait, i've been under a lot of stress lately and hidasketch is a great reliever.
 
Hey guys.. enjoying oreimo so I thought I'd come in here to see if you're normal or weird like every one s...
cosmicblizzard said:
Squid Girl 3 was good. Always amusing to see the only character with common sense struggle to adapt.
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;_; Going back to just watching cowboy bebop again and again.
 
Syth_Blade22 said:
Hey guys.. enjoying oreimo so I thought I'd come in here to see if you're normal or weird like every one s...

;_; Going back to just watching cowboy bebop again and again.
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You're enjoying oreimo and you're going to complain about someone liking Squid Girl?
 
You're enjoying oreimo and you're going to complain about someone liking Squid Girl?
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Squid girl sounds completely in-offensive compared to oreimo too.:lol I'd probably watch it with other people, oreimo not so much.
 
zeroshiki said:
It has heavy suggestions of it, though. I mean, I get that it doesn't and probably plays against the stereotype but from the title, it blatantly is selling itself as a siscon show.
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How so? Just because she simply becomes a little dere after seeing her older brother care and go the extra mile for her and take her by surprise, it's suddenly incest?

A Black Falcon said:
Even in the first episode it seemed pretty obvious that the girl is a usual "likes him but can't admit it to herself sort of" character, for instance.
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She perhaps can't admit that she is really excited to finally have someone to partake in her hobbies with now, yes. Most people when they find a fellow spirit to engage with express feelings of closeness and enthusiasm. Kirino, being tsundere, may for some reason have trouble admitting that she's really happy that she's able to share her feelings and passion for her hobbies with her older brother since at the same time, she's realizing that she's suddenly interacting familiarly with a brother she would have hardly given the time of day a few hours earlier.

Also,
look up spoilers of volumes 6 and 7 of the light novel if you want. Sounds like that they like each other gets more blatant with time.
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If you make that statement in the context of having read the actual text, then perhaps a higher discussion is warranted. However, if you are basing that off of
a certain summary on a site by a user with a siscon 'shipping bias
then I would hold off any accusations until volume 7 actually comes out. I will not deny that
Kirino holds great feelings for Kyousuke in some regard, but whether those feelings are one of love or sisterly affection is still on debate.

Besides, sisters and brothers are allowed to care and love each other without things turning out messy, right?
In addition, I do not really see any evidence of similar feelings from him. Until there is further elucidation on the tumultuous Vol.7 description prove that it is true (I still suspect it's just something taken out of context to stir up fans), I don't believe there's really anything that can be said for or against the matter.
 
A Black Falcon said:
Sure, but the characters are usually the same. Sure, the other arcs aren't animated, but it's usually still clear that all of the girls like the guy. If it's a no-ending show, it'll then just continue inconclusively; if it's a one character wins show, it'll usually end up with one clear main character within the harem, while all of the others either only get a small focus or are jealous of the lead one's success.

I think you can usually tell that all the people in a harem still like the main character, even if they aren't the "winners" in the anime.

I mean, if there really was a case where in the anime there's absolutely no sign of attraction but in the game she was a romantic path yes, it would be possible for what you're saying to happen, but such things are pretty uncommon I think. It might annoy fans of that character after all, you're better off suggesting that there is some attraction (on the harem member's part at least), even if it's not going anywhere because the 'winner' has already been determined.

Still though, yes, games and animes are different. I mean, in a game you can have many potential endings, and it's often unclear which is the "correct" one, if any indeed is. In an anime or manga though, you must have just one ending. That certainly means there will be differences.
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It's one thing to assume the female characters in a harem anime like or don't like the protagonist based on the suggestive nature of their actions in the anime. But to state you absolutely know she does because you know from the game/manga, yet there isn't enough to indicate such a relationship in the anime, I find that logic arguable. I generally view a manga and its anime counterpart or vice versa as two separate works, each with similarities but no conflicts or crossover with one another unless stated otherwise. To each their own I suppose.

I can see you using the game as confirmation of the fact. But using what you know from the game as evidence when in the anime it's insufficient? That's a disregard for the adaptation and original source personally.

You're probably right assuming many of those female characters have undeclared romantic intentions in harem animes as unclear as they may be, but I just disagree with you in claiming it also applies to Air TV. I'd say Kanon 06 too, but my memories of it aren't as vivid.

Harems aside, considering that they are different versions of the same things, you don't think that you can't do that at all? Really? I mean yes, each one is different, but they are also versions of the same thing so I think comparing them to at least some degree is reasonable.
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I don't mind the comparisons nor the raised expectations which might arise from reading a manga and expecting the newly announced anime adaptation to met those standards one may have from doing so, even if some may be unrealistic. It's all to be expected and a given. But it's unfair to characterize characters from one medium to another like it's a crossover like you're doing. If this was Code Geass R2 and those magazine shenanigans, I could understand where you're coming from but it isn't the same thing. Explicit details were revealed to those who read those magazines like
hints of Jeremiah's admiration to Marianne
yet no details of that magnitude were revealed in the anime until
Lelouch almost killed Jeremiah, and he confessed his loyalty to Marianne.
It came out of nowhere unless you read or knew about them beforehand. I can understand if the crossover is like that. But when the manga and anime are basically like two adaptations of the original source? Unless it's canon or not or whatever, I don't see why you're assuming those relationships are necessarily true. Is an anime but an extension of its manga to you? You're expecting the adaptation to be faithful when it's a different interpretation of the original source. It's like Air TV - > Air movie.

If every anime was like Zegapain where the games and anime were directly correlated, I would see your point. But I just don't see it.

I haven't watched Air in several years, so I don't remember the details really, but it introduces various girls, has arcs for them, etc... very harem-style in design. I think that makes it a harem show, even if, yes, the ending is very nonstandard for a harem series.

But also of course, you are right that I don't think of the game and anime as being as completely separated as you do. But even just in the anime, the structure is definitely still there.
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And I agree with you about its narrative structure being similar to a harem anime because you're right: it does have harem themes/elements. But labeling Air TV a harem anime? Too unsettling of a thought given what's labeled a "harem anime."

Pretending that it exists in a vacuum where it's not an anime based on an h-game is kind of silly, I think... and anyway, he meets all the girls, talks with them, etc, right? I forget if there are signs of them liking eachother, it's been too long since I've seen it, but I remember that much at least.
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And assuming the game and anime is a crossover is also silly. I never said the anime wasn't based on an h-game and pretending it never did. I'm questioning you why should the anime be judged based on details not present in the anime? This isn't anime John is inferior to his manga John counterpart. You're suggesting anime John is like his suave self in the manga except the show hasn't animated those aspects of his character yet.

Yes, Yukito talks and meets all the girls. But signs of them liking each other, hinting at romantic intentions? I saw none and I interpret no such level of affection.

Well, yeah, I think the structure of the show in general matters a lot -- is the show mostly about the harem and such, or is it about other things and the harem elements are a secondary or side note? That would be the line, I think, and yeah, plenty of shows would be in that latter category.
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But what is your definition of a harem? Is a harem in a harem anime where members of the opposite sex simply "like" the protagonist and show hints of romantic intentions even if they're overtones or is mere association with the protagonist enough to warrant the label? If it's the latter, the harem elements in Air TV was secondary. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree at this point with our interpretations of the female characters' affection towards Yukito because I view all their actions as nothing more than friends with no romantic intentions at all.

I just remember it being more haremey than you do, I guess. :)
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Looks like we see two different versions of Air TV. I'm not disagreeing with you at all that its narrative structure is like a harem anime. I actually agree in that regard. Like I said, the best you could claim is a love interest between Misuzu/Yukito, but it's a stretch to claim personally. But from what the show presents, I can't agree with you labeling it a harem anime. "Air is like a harem anime in its narrative where the protagonist does this and so forth." Yes, I see what you mean and even agree. But saying it's an harem anime? I'd just have to disagree even if the definition of a harem anime is as strict as you say.


But I see where you're coming from. Thanks for the response earlier.
 
mAcOdIn said:
They're there, did you miss the scene?
Why the fuck am I spoiling this shit, the Student Council President is one and the VP is probably one as her eyes turned red when she went for the bunny.

Probably all going to be nice vampires though, no one seems to mention any weirdness at the school like missing people or anything so it's probably a school primarily for Vampires or some shit.
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A combined total time of 5 seconds over 2 episodes of the vampires showing vampire-y things isn't enough damnit.
 
Amagami SS - 09
Do I detect fierce sarcasm from the narrator? This is what transcends language barriers. I need more of this where the pretense is almost all but gone. This is already the best arc clearly! No lame introductions again. Just straightforwardness. I'm not even sure why I laugh at some of these jokes. The 4th wall being broken makes some of the jokes more funny than it should be.
 
icecream said:
How so? Just because she simply becomes a little dere after seeing her older brother care and go the extra mile for her and take her by surprise, it's suddenly incest?
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Uhh... yes?

If it doesn't look blatantly siscon to you, then you're purposely avoiding seeing it. I'm not even talking about the story, the title says ORE NO IMOUTO GA KONNA NI KAWAII WAKE NAI <== holy crap.
 
Geneijin said:
Amagami SS - 09
Do I detect fierce sarcasm from the narrator? This is what transcends language barriers. I need more of this where the pretense is almost all but gone. This is already the best arc clearly! No lame introductions again. Just straightforwardness. I'm not even sure why I laugh at some of these jokes. The 4th wall being broken makes some of the jokes more funny than it should be.
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Haha I'm on Sae's arc too. I fell for that temptation of sex hair.
 
zeroshiki said:
I'm not even talking about the story, the title says ORE NO IMOUTO GA KONNA NI KAWAII WAKE NAI.
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Yes, and it stars a cute girl, who is tsundere, and loves playing games about little sisters who have relationships with their older brothers.

Yet, nothing happens. The author created a meta-narrative where all the signs so blatantly point to such an event occurring, such that one is expected to come in with the preconception that it is going to turn out as such.

Except the one factor that really matters, the one thing that would trigger the entire cascade of events, their actual feelings... doesn't really materialize. It's a brilliant setup in that it plays with the reader's preconceptions and spins them around. Which is why I don't agree with the implications for Vol. 7, because to establish such a setup and then to just cash in the reader's expectations would be to devalue the impact of the entire series.

Branduil said:
It's about a little sister who plays little sister incest games, it's pretty obvious who it's pandering to without even watching it.
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Yes, to otaku. As this genre of anime is apt to do.
 
Unless OreImo does something crazy or Kyousuke's development takes a strange turn, the only thing blatant was the male gaze shots of Kirino in episode 1 to my recollection. The incest or siscon was nonexistent. Just looks to me they're sexualizing Kirino like Maya from Occult Academy.

Solune said:
Haha I'm on Sae's arc too. I fell for that temptation of sex hair.
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Does that mean you've finished Haruka's arc? You've witnessed those two ridiculous moments, haven't you? :lol
 
Geneijin said:
Does that mean you've finished Haruka's arc? You've witnessed those two ridiculous moments, haven't you? :lol
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Yes, I shamelessly watched those two moments :lol . I thought back and I was like why didn't I listen to you when you said you wouldn't endorse watching it. Some of the character designs make me cry. Haruka and Ayatsuji look like Tony Taka girls and Ai looks like Miya. Sae's voice drives me insane.
 
zeroshiki said:
the title says ORE NO IMOUTO GA KONNA NI KAWAII WAKE NAI <== holy crap.
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The title could be derived from her acting like a bitch to him for years, and suddenly he sees a side of her he never thought was possible?

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And this isn't siscon?
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The brother straight up asked his sister if there was any subtext to the eroge she played in the first episode, she says no, there's been no development in that context or look like something is going to develop and personally I'm hoping it stays that way.

I think this is how the Oreimo thread started off initially. :lol
 
duckroll said:
People who play GTA are murderers. Confirmed?
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I read about that in the paper so I suppose so.
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Unless OreImo does something crazy or Kyousuke's development takes a strange turn, the only thing blatant was the male gaze shots of Kirino in episode 1 to my recollection.
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But what is that subjective camera is framed from the brothers perspective. Eh!
Not that it would really matter.
 
Steroyd said:
A combined total time of 5 seconds over 2 episodes of the vampires showing vampire-y things isn't enough damnit.
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Your standards, lower them. Nah, I know, it's a little ridiculous when the only two displays of vampirism are one scene of blood sucking and a display of speed in an attempt to save a rabbit getting hit from a ball.

Still loving the whole ridiculous standard male anime protagonist bit, it's so stupid I'm almost starting to like it, like they all live in this plane plane of existence that I just can't relate to. Like at the end of episode 2, he finally gets a chance to apologize to the girl, and asks if he can ask one question, and this one question isn't something along the lines of "what the fuck is your brother?" or "do you drink blood as well?" or anything like that, it's whether she believes in love at first sight or some shit. Really? These guys are all so hard up for some 10 episodes of probable blushing and possible hand holding action that them possibly living amongst monsters, demons or whatever you want to classify a vampire as is their secondary or thirdary(??) concern? It's really an amazing trait and it's present in like every damn male anime protagonist in the medium.
 
Infinite Ryvius is such a great show, the colorful Seed art is the only thing I find bad about it but it's no big deal, looks better than Seed anyway.

I love space drama.
 
Jexhius said:
Maria Holic Season 2? Are SHAFT now specialising in sequels no-one asked for?
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Maybe i'll watch the first two episodes if they are as good as the first two episodes of Maria Holic.
 
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