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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery

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Finally watched Bungaku Shojo and ended up being a little underwhelmed by it. I was expecting a definite ending, while it has an "open ending" of sort in regards to the relationship of Konoha with the girls.
There's also the fact that for half movie he is hung up on Miu, then by the end he
confesses his feelings for her (because writing a novel in which he confesses to her wasn't enough) which makes her so happy that she regains her sanity and sets him free, so he runs after the literature girl and ends up kissing her after she tells him that she loves his stories so much that she has to let him free to write stories for everyone.... meanwhile he has also rejected the other girl that is in love with him and the bromance hasn't even had a chance to begin with.
In a way, it felt a bit pointless. Since I have the 1st light novel pre-ordered for december, I'm wondering how much faithful the movie is to it. I hope it is a bit more fleshed out and hopefully with a different ending (or a more in-depth one).

I also didn't like the character design too much, while I liked the characters themselves, especially Miu.
 
Anime World Order Podcast 89 : Daryl reviews Oshii's Gosenzo-sama Banbanzai!.

As usual I feel educated and depressed about the anime industry.

Things of note :

I agree that the Eden of the East movies reflect the work of someone who doesn't really know how to make movies. It certainly sucks that Ghibli isn't really training anyone up because lord knows they're one of the only places that can actually perform such a service.

That Japan sure is late to making sequels to works that are popular in the west (e.g. Trigun, Berserk) even though they got it right with Cowboy Bebop.

Once again Gerald made a comment which makes me want to smash my face through a window.

He mentioned that Perfect Blue was all right apart from a couple of massive plot holes. I don't believe they exist, and considering the whole work has an unreliable narrator I'm not so sure it's important.

I suppose I shouldn't expect anything from the guy who called Fantastic Children boring, said Millennium Actress was bad and thinks Bobby's Girl is amazing.

I'm also inclined to agree that the Patlabor-style of humour is sadly missing from a lot of modern anime comedies which tends towards 'straight men', 'slapstick' and 'super fast things happening crazy like'.
 
I can't comprehend how someone could think millennium actress is bad.:lol although i am incredibly biased towards it. On the other hand i could easily see why someone wouldn't like Perfect blue.:lol
 
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KAORU-BROS, ASSEMBLE!
 
Ghost Hound 6 : Well that's pretty clever. In our heroes flashback to the time of the abduction the audience assumes that the giant black figure is just a small child's interpretation of the kidnapper (the boy was scared, so he imagined a monster).

Yet know it turns out that there is a giant scary black monster. Cool.

Also, blonde kid is fucking rude. "Hey how was that adduction when you were small? I heard your sister died? Shall we go check out where it happened?" WHAT.
Considering how polite the Japanese are supposed to be, I he's even more insulting then he appears. What a douche.

The father at the shrine interests me. Like the main priest/exorcist in Mouryou no Hako he seems to be involved in research as much as spiritual matters. Is this a regular thing, where priests also investigate the history of the surrounding area/culture in the vein of scholars?
 
Eh quite a few find Zero pretty, but disappointing. I haven't seen enough cannon to comment, but most people agree that Plus is pretty fuck-awesome.
 
Ghost Hound 7 : The sound was, once again, sublime. This guy should be working in movies or something, his sound work was more cleverly constructed then the story-progression this episode.

Sadly the 1st half of this episode was a slave to big-tits scientist exposing exposition about the brain. For the record, Inception is exposition done very well, and this is the opposite, an episode were the story seems to be a slave to the exposition for some odd reason.

The rest of the episode is fine, especially with one OHMYGODDIDTHATMOVE? moment near the end.

Not that it really "ended" at any particular point. It just stopped.
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As a side note, it was kind of interesting to see videogames done both right and wrong at the same time.

On the wrong side, the game we see being played by the male is something you'd have seen in an arcade a decade ago. Archaic.

However, to see the brother playing a twitch game and the sister a puzzle game seems right.
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I've never seen any fanservice in a Production I.G. show either. Weird :
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Jexhius said:
Anime World Order Podcast 89 : Daryl reviews Oshii's Gosenzo-sama Banbanzai!.

As usual I feel educated and depressed about the anime industry.

Things of note :

I agree that the Eden of the East movies reflect the work of someone who doesn't really know how to make movies. It certainly sucks that Ghibli isn't really training anyone up because lord knows they're one of the only places that can actually perform such a service.
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What's the actual criticism? TV to Film ports can almost never be treated as proper films because they depend too much on the source.

I don't remember the first X-files film, but I'm sure it's complete garbage out of context.
 
Branduil said:
Uh, GITS?
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Eh, apart from one particular shot early on in the first S.A.C. season and the Major's clothing I can't really remember any examples of fanservice. The majority of that stuff was lifted from the manga as well.

But if I think back on Patlabor, Eden of the East, xxxHolic, Blood+. Le Chevalier D'Eon, Moribito etc they've always seemed like the grown up studio who don't truck with such matters.
firehawk12 said:
What's the actual criticism? TV to Film ports can almost never be treated as proper films because they depend too much on the source.
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Largely that the pacing and structure is completely terrible for a movie, and I can't disagree.

There are quite a number of TV->Movie transitions in anime, but there's no reason for them not to be treated as proper films because of their source.

The Gundam Movie trilogy, the Gurren Laggan movies, The End of Evangelion, DYRL? and the Utena movie all display an understanding of their source material and an understanding of how movies work.

This may mean re-writing or larger changes to the original story but you actually tend to get something excellent. Just squishing together a bunch of episodes, Eva 1.0 style, feels awful and it's bad practice.

Familiarity or not with the material at hand is irrelevant when you don't understand movie pacing and convention.

Although I don't blame there directors. That wouldn't be fair when there's no-one to teach them the craft.
 
firehawk12 said:
What's the actual criticism? TV to Film ports can almost never be treated as proper films because they depend too much on the source.

I don't remember the first X-files film, but I'm sure it's complete garbage out of context.
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I think some of the Star Trek films can be viewed without watching the original series.

Jexhius said:
Eh, apart from one particular shot early on in the first S.A.C. season and the Major's clothing I can't really remember any examples of fanservice. The majority of that stuff was lifted from the manga as well.

But if I think back on Patlabor, Eden of the East, xxxHolic, Blood+. Le Chevalier D'Eon, Moribito etc they've always seemed like the grown up studio who don't truck with such matters.
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Well they also did Real Drive.
 
Jexhius said:
Largely that the pacing and structure is completely terrible for a movie, and I can't disagree.

There are quite a number of TV->Movie transitions in anime, but there's no reason for them not to be treated as proper films because of their source.

The Gundam Movie trilogy, the Gurren Laggan movies, The End of Evangelion, DYRL? and the Utena movie all display an understanding of their source material and an understanding of how movies work.

This may mean re-writing or larger changes to the original story but you actually tend to get something excellent. Just squishing together a bunch of episodes, Eva 1.0, feels awful and it's bad practice.
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I think it's one thing to adapt a text to another medium, but that it's another to continue a text in another medium. I see the EoE films as basically longer cuts of TV episodes... although it doesn't help that they decided to break up the conclusion into two films either.

Branduil said:
I think some of the Star Trek films can be viewed without watching the original series.
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I dunno, even the new film is basically fanservice. I guess maybe the "trilogy" might stand up as films on their own terms.

Oh god, I just remembered Star Trek Generations. At least even Braga and Moore admit that it's a piece of shit.
 
firehawk12 said:
I think it's one thing to adapt a text to another medium, but that it's another to continue a text in another medium. I see the EoE films as basically longer cuts of TV episodes... although it doesn't help that they decided to break up the conclusion into two films either.
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Adapt, continue, what difference does it make? Even when you're continuing, you're adapting.

EoE has a film's budget, scale, breadth of vision. It isn't slow and weird.

Well, it is weird.

Another continuation would be Patlabor 1 and Patlabor 2 : both of which take the TV shows core concepts and re-work it into a proper movie format.

Hell, Kenji Kamiyama, the guy who directed the Eden of the East movies, had done it better when he made Solid State Society (although a lot of that was based off the 1st GITS movie).
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You won't really "see" until you google image search.
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Man, it really does look like all of Shirow's fetishes rolled up into one show.

Who green-lit this shit?
 
Jexhius said:
Adapt, continue, what difference does it make? Even when you're continuing, you're adapting.

EoE has a film's budget, scale, breadth of vision. It isn't slow and weird.

Well, it is weird.

Another continuation would be Patlabor 1 and Patlabor 2 : both of which take the TV shows core concepts and re-work it into a proper movie format.

Hell, Kenji Kamiyama, the guy who directed the Eden of the East movies, had done it better when he made Solid State Society (although a lot of that was based off the 1st GITS movie).
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By EoE I meant Eden of the East. Fucking acronyms. :lol

And it's a pretty big difference. Even between the two X-files films: both are probably considered horrible, but I'm sure to someone who doesn't give a shit about X-files, the second one is much more watchable than the first one.

Then again, X-files is probably the only other show that I can think of where the TV show is directly meant to lead into a theatrical film.
 
firehawk12 said:
And it's a pretty big difference. Even between the two X-files films: both are probably considered horrible, but I'm sure to someone who doesn't give a shit about X-files, the second one is much more watchable than the first one.

Then again, X-files is probably the only other show that I can think of where the TV show is directly meant to lead into a theatrical film.
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Ah, I only meant a different with regards to do what kind of content is being covered, obviously it does make a difference to the actual content being covered.

Otome Yokai Zakuro 5 : Pretty reasonable, although I don't know why Zakuro had to be so weak for that one scene.
 
Jexhius said:
Ah, I only meant a different with regards to do what kind of content is being covered, obviously it does make a difference to the actual content being covered.

Otome Yokai Zakuro 5 : Pretty reasonable, although I don't know why Zakuro had to be so weak for that one scene.
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Well, I look at it this way - the Lost finale, all 2 hours of it without commercials, could be considered a film in terms of length and the type of "event" it was made into - but if you looked at it purely as a film, it would be utter garbage because it's 99% exposition. That's how I treat the Eden of the East films - they're TV finales that were put into theaters for a variety of reasons that I can only guess at.
 
Decado said:
Macross Zero didn't have that crap (besides the mecha part) and it was easily the best of the lot, IMO.
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What. You must have been watching a different "zero" from me, because the zero i watched had a 1. Love triangle and 2. Singing. (and it was probably more awkward and annoying then the other macross shows).:lol

I haven't seen that. Is it bad?

*checks Wikipedia. Masamune Shirow*.

I see.
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Real drive was so awful.:lol yet i somehow assumed it would be good based on the masamume shirow name + concept alone.:lol

I agree that the Eden of the East movies reflect the work of someone who doesn't really know how to make movies. It certainly sucks that Ghibli isn't really training anyone up because lord knows they're one of the only places that can actually perform such a service.
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I actually heard the movies were originally intended to be a second season of EotE.
 
Lafiel said:
I actually heard the movies were originally intended to be a second season of EotE.
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I'm assuming they might have had a 22 episode block on noitinimA but something happened.
They probably weighed the possibilities of OADs vs Films and decided to go theatrical for whatever reason.

I'm also assuming that someone bothered to ask the dude why they went with films during that panel at AX or where ever, but I'm too lazy to look for it. :lol

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Still haven't seen the second EotE movie. I was going to, but... other things keep getting in the way.
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I wanked about ages it ago here... funny enough, I don't really remember the movie other than I thought it was thematically consistent with the television series but that the message is one of ambivalence.

On the one hand, it's a call to arms to the youth of Japan, but it also implies that change isn't possible so apathy is a perfectly acceptable solution.
 
Lafiel said:
Real drive was so awful.:lol yet i somehow assumed it would be good based on the masamume shirow name + concept alone.:lol
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Shirow hasn't made anything good in a long-ass time.
Lafiel said:
I actually heard the movies were originally intended to be a second season of EotE.
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You know, as a second season they'd be pretty awesome.

As movies, they're bad. Not, awful, because the material is fine.

But they don't even come close to working as movies. You can see the flippin' TV-structure so clearly in them.

I bet they made wayyyyyyy more money as movies though.
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Gosenzo-sama Banbanzai! 1 : WTF was that.

No, really.
 
Jexhius said:
Shirow hasn't made anything good in a long-ass time.
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Ironically he came up with the concept for Ghost Hound. Though the actual screenwriter and director came from Serial Experiments Lain.

Jexhius said:
Gosenzo-sama Banbanzai! 1 : WTF was that.

No, really.
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The Yomota family is small and typical: father Kinekuni (42), mother Tamiko (38), and son Inumaru (17). One day, a beautiful girl appears at their front door, calling herself "Maroko Yomota," granddaughter of Inumaru who travels back in time with a time machine to visit her ancestors. Despite of Tamiko's strong objection, Kinekuni and Inumaru welcome her to stay with them, and the structure of a happy family has begun to collapse.
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That sounds rather high-concept. Also, Oshii made a comedy?
 
Otome Youkai Zakuro - 05

Show continues to have strong main cast of characters. Bit more action this episode and we get to see what the Twins power is. Seems to be leading into the big plot of the series.
 
I want an Asuka av too :(

Eva was my first "real" anime in that I was aware that it was anime from Japan and not just cartoon in general.

Asuka totally made that series for me. If she wasn't around we would have had 100% more Shinji whining and catatonic Rei. Would have been waaay boring.
 
Haven't popped in for a while, but now I hear someone saying "I want an Asuka av".

Is there some other meaning to AV that I don't know about? :lol
 
I don't actually like Asuka, I just wanted to fit in. :(

she's the best eva character, but that's not saying...anything
 
luka said:
I don't actually like Asuka, I just wanted to fit in. :(

she's the best eva character, but that's not saying...anything
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There's far more interesting and better characters in the series.

Gendou, Fuyutsuki, Misato, Ritsuko, Kaji... basically all of the adults in the series are more interesting than the kids.
 
All these damn Asuka avatars, it's like the world's trying to beat me down into a Shinji, or well, Asuka. Seems like it's about time for my own Instrumentality Project, hehe, ahahaha, mwahahaha! I must save you all from yourselves!
 
have i mentioned i hate you today
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Don't be such a tsundere.>_>

There's far more interesting and better characters in the series.

Gendou, Fuyutsuki, Misato, Ritsuko, Kaji... basically all of the adults in the series are more interesting than the kids.
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Asuka > all those fools.
 
Branduil said:
There's far more interesting and better characters in the series.

Gendou, Fuyutsuki, Misato, Ritsuko, Kaji... basically all of the adults in the series are more interesting than the kids.
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I'll have to take your word on that. The entire cast has the likability and charisma of a damp rag.

At least Asuka has spunk. :P
 
luka said:
I'll have to take your word on that. The entire cast has the likability and charisma of a damp rag.

At least Asuka has spunk. :P
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So does that wet rag you're talking about!
Why do you think it's damp?

Fucking Shinji, chronic masterbator.
 
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