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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery

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InfiniteNine said:
Why would they make it? CyberConnect made The World!
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For some reason I thought .hack was a Square property then wrote SOE.

I need sleep!

Or I can watch more Haibane. Yeah Haibane sounds good.
 
InfiniteNine said:
Nope!

Either way the result is the same.
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A corridor grindfest with server side UI?

Or did I miss something.

EDIT: Oh I see.
 
You'll have to buy them from the Cash shop.

Side tail? $10.
 
It's okay, there will be underground societies dedicated to putting out high quality mods for free. Like an Asuka mod. God knows the one for New Vegas came out faaaaaaast.
 
Halycon said:
It's okay, there will be underground societies dedicated to putting out high quality mods for free. Like an Asuka mod. God knows the one for New Vegas came out faaaaaaast.
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Then I'd have to be interested in PC gaming, and Fallout! That sounds like too much work.
 
InfiniteNine said:
Then I'd have to be interested in PC gaming, and Fallout! That sounds like too much work.
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But then you'll never experience your destined animu waifu in true 3D!
 
expy said:
It's great too.
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In other news Angel Beats totally cribbed Haibane Ranme then messed it up with stupid gags and moe.
 
Man, I leave for a week and I come back and this thread is still insane. Guess I couldn't really have expected anything less.
 
Manga thread is in One Piece mode at the moment, which is a big nono. Posting anything other than One Piece is like asking to be shunned and ostracized. The exception to this is TWGOK because Kami nii-sama > nakamas.
 
Jintor said:
Man, I leave for a week and I come back and this thread is still insane. Guess I couldn't really have expected anything less.
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There's nothing here that's crazier than anywhere else, surely.

Which reminds me, I should really get around to the original otaku focused anime, Otaku no Video.
 
Halycon said:
Manga thread is in One Piece mode at the moment, which is a big nono. Posting anything other than One Piece is like asking to be shunned and ostracized. The exception to this is TWGOK because Kami nii-sama > nakamas.
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I should look through some recent h-doujin to post a panel of and some of my impressions.
 
InfiniteNine said:
I should look through some recent h-doujin to post a panel of and some of my impressions.
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I've exhausted Yamatogawa so please do!

Is there some kind of secret to the world of Haibane Ranmei or is it one of those "just take it as is" animes?
 
Branduil said:
What do you mean by secret?
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Like, I dunno, underlying mechanics of the world. Who they are, why they're there, who are the Togas, what's the town for. Stuff like that.
 
mAcOdIn said:
Never! Facts can be wrong so the possibility exists that I'm also right and no one knows it!
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That's technically possible, but unlikely. :)

Right, aside from the Shana/Lousie pallet swaps most tsunderes are different in some way.
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True, though I meant that for characters in general, not just tsunderes. But yes, the better the series (or the game, or whatever), the more original the characters even if they do fit within stereotypes.

Yeah, I'll have to work some google kung fu to drag it out of the internet but I'll get around to it.
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Wikipedia's not too hard to find...

I know, I know, I just can't care about that for some reason because they shouldn't call it discovered or invented if the bar is set at who patents it or gets credit first, facts are facts interpretations are interpretations, these things are verifiable so being that lazy is just annoying to me.
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You're probably right, the first discoverer deserves more credit, but I do think that understanding and popularizing it is important too... but yeah, it is too bad when someone basically steals something by not actually inventing it, or discovering it, but by being the better salesperson and getting the credit anyway. Like Amerigo Vespucci getting his name on two continents. :)

I find the whole thing funny, I myself don't think Columbus Day should exist and don't get why people protest it. It's what I consider a foregone conclusion that at some point in history the Native Americans were going to get overrun, it was going to happen, they can't keep that way of life forever, if it weren't us it'd have been Spain, Portugal or something, if it was none of the Western powers then it would have been Nazi Germany or some shit later. I don't actually approve of the way it all unfolded but it's just kinda a requirement that people living somewhere didn't originate there. I don't even know of a people who just up and stayed where they started at, the whole globe is stolen. I guess with Native Americans it's slightly different because of our countries age and how relatively recent it all was but that's a personal thing that in a way shouldn't even matter because none of us were around then.
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That's a little bit pessimistic... Really, I think that what makes it probably true -- one of the 16/17th century colonial powers was going to conquer the Americas, even if the others failed somehow -- was because of that disease issue I mentioned. I mean, when maybe as many as nine out of ten of the natives simply die off with no effort required from the invaders, holding them off anywhere is pretty hard.

I mean, the Europeans did also conquer Africa (and South and Southeast Asia), but it happened later, took longer, and was less complete (colonialism eventually ended in all of those areas, I mean) because there were so many more natives around, and they didn't just conveniently mostly die off and allow the invaders to conquer and settle the place with their own people. That, I think, is the key difference, even above other things like how the American Indians had never gotten out of the Stone Age until Europeans arrived.

Oh, Australia, New Zealand, and various islands were conquerable anywhere because of the small numbers of people there...

Nah, I mean maybe I messed up and replied to one of your paragraphs thinking it was another and inadvertently skipped it, doesn't have to be you that messed up.
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Ah, okay, misread what you meant there.

If a given show heeded my gripes it would automatically be better, I give more than enough examples each post, lol.
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I don't know that shows, games, or whatever are always improved by listening to what the fans want... for one thing the fans are unlikely to agree, and also people don't always know what they want. But sure, sometimes I'm sure you're right. :)

It's an alternate timeline with two large super power mercenary groups, who knows what power the UN weilds in that scenario but it's probably even less than it flexes here.
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True, but still, it would need to be a very different world, for child soldiers to somehow not be illegal...

Wires are getting crossed here. Of course I think Kaname should ditch school, design some super shit and go through SeAL school so she can help shape her own destiny instead of just getting swept along, I was meaning more that she's exempt from needing to display any kind of intelligence in respect to her position, unlike SOusuke or Tessa who in their fictional universe have jobs they are placed in by others with duties and responsibilities. If Kaname remains stupid the consequence is people get hurt but for Sousuke and Tessa there should also be the added element disciplinary action within that universe. That's what I'm trying to say. If the author wants to make school Kaname's stubborn thing, that's fine, I agree it's for the story and not the character since it was me who brought it up, but she's not expected by her profession to make a choice either way, just common sense.
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Ah, I see. Still though, considering that she is fairly intelligent she should know better. But also, you understate Tessa's intelligence, of course (not that I'd expect anything different).

It's like you can find a work and say it's a rehash or take on another work yet of course both works are clearly different in many ways. Just like every story's been done you and I have also been done before.
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Sort of true, sort of not I think. In general that's probably true, in the precise details not necessarily.

I hated Eva so why would I watch MORE Eva?
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It's Eva, required viewing either way, of course!

Legos had tons of licensed products in the 80s, those are the ones I'm thinking of infact.
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No, '80s Legos were not based on licenses. The first licensed line worth mentioning was the Star Wars Lego line, which started in 1999 or 2000; before then, everything was internal, with the exception only of small things like the Shell-branded gas stations, before Lego switched to making up the gas company. Before then though, all the Lego lines were stuff Lego made up themselves.

Fair enough, as long as we all agree that I knew the pirate I put in my little spaceships wasn't originally meant to go there.
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Sure, that's fine. Once in a while I did things like that myself, mixing themes. :)

Yeah, I'm pretty good, but like most American cosplayers I don't spend much time on the actual costume. Here's a pic:
http://imgur.com/oiyJR.jpg
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Wow, that costume must have taken months to get right...

Really though, sometimes Western cosplayers do put some effort into their costumes. Not as often, sure, but it's not like it's always that bad. :)

Right, but I'm not perfect and still bemoan the loss of my beloved fictional stereotype, it's bad enough they're barely real in real life already. But it is a change that's for the better.
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Good, that's about what I was hoping you'd say.


You want me to make sense out of Samurai Girls? How about I part the Red Sea next? Of course I can't make sense of that shit. I don't even know why he cares about her feelings on that matter, he didn't kiss her, he didn't bring her back to the dojo, get her drunk on sake and steal her first kiss, she chased him around and forced it on him despite being forbidden to and after repeated thwarted attempts and then turns around and somehow makes him responsible for it, and he buys it! No way can I understand that shit. So anyways, she hurt her own feelings but forced them upon him, he being the wuss he is decides to own it since he's some self hating shitbag and decided that instead of fixing the problem, whatever it may have been in his imagination that he'd instead get hurt himself, just physically.
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You bring up a good point here -- when, exactly, did he start to actually care about her feelings? I mean, you're absolutely right -- right up until the moment he starts letting himself get beaten up, I'd gotten no hint that he actually cared much about any of them. And then suddenly her words hit him so hard (even though they were so stereotypical, for the audience...) that he lets that happen, just to show how sorry he was about whatever it was that he hadn't really done wrong? It was so bizarre and probably badly scripted... it just made such little sense, I still have no clue why he flipped around on the issue like that.
I don't know if he hates himself, but yeah, he certainly is confused about things, that's for sure. He doesn't seem to be very good at figuring out what either he, or anyone else, is thinking...

This guy sucks. They better make it to where his new personality is some side effect of becoming a general or some shit as it's a complete 180 from the type of guy that'd just randomly side with two strangers against people serving his master. Not only is he infinitely less decisive, gone back on thinking he should have his own will but also let people jump into his duel, he lacks decisiveness, pride and Lord knows how many other fucking qualities, think of a quality and I'm sure he's missing it.
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Decisive? Harem leads are allowed to be decisive? The girls are (about all loving him, generally, and sometimes other things too, like in this show about Yukimura's goals, etc.), but the lead... not so much, I think. That is the stereotype, I'm pretty sure. This guy doesn't exactly play to type -- he looks way cooler than your average harem show loser lead for sure -- but attitude wise, yeah he's got a lot of those traits.

For one, Yuu Kobayashi's character is probably next in line for the main's hype train as she's now powerless to protect her master in light of everyone else getting a power up and Hanzo will also have to follow for similar reasons, so we're really at 4 girls before he even has to turn any of the opposing ones to his side.
Better not, that's the only thing I want to see.
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Who's that, the voice actor or something? I can't recognize characters by voice, or know who voiced who in most anything... oh, you mean Hanzo. Are you saying that because the preview for the next episode hinted at her trying to become a master samurai? We'll see, her and that other girl could become master samurais too, but either way on that, so far at least those two (her and Yukimura's sidekick) are very much second-tier characters, without real romantic ties to Muneakira.

Also, why mention her as a prospective one, and not the other girl of the five living with them too? I forget her name too, the one with the spear...


Halycon said:
Like, I dunno, underlying mechanics of the world. Who they are, why they're there, who are the Togas, what's the town for. Stuff like that.
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The whole point is that it's up for you to think about and make theories of. No, it's never explained, and that's entirely intentional. Some people dislike that, but I don't mind. It's an amazing show, and what's wrong with a little mystery? Also, some decent guesses can be made about some things at least, even if they are just guesses.
 
InfiniteNine said:
Does stuff actually happen in Haibane? I got bored watching it with my friend and we went to rent Pulp Fiction instead.
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No. It's pretty much your typical "look at these emotions" anime. Sort of like a painting.
 
9, Rakka just
left the well with the help from the Toga and is now having a counseling session with the Communicator
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InfiniteNine said:
Does stuff actually happen in Haibane? I got bored watching it with my friend and we went to rent Pulp Fiction instead.
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Depends on what you mean, but yes, the last half of the series, the last few episodes in particular, get pretty serious... it's a character drama, and things get pretty depressing psychologically for most of our main characters. I've always thought of it as not that sad, and focused on the happier and more optimistic parts instead -- and those parts are there -- but I must admit, the the darker side is strongly there as well. But that the series does such a brilliant job of balancing both sides is one of its many strengths.

So, if you mean "Do the episodes that don't seem to connect into any continuing plot end sometime?", the answer is yes. If you want lots of violence and shooting stuff, no, not the series for that.

Halycon said:
No. It's pretty much your typical "look at these emotions" anime. Sort of like a painting.
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Like the painting-of-sorts that is central to the series, perhaps?

That's not a very happy painting...

Even so though, incredibly great series, easily right near the very top of my all-time list.
 
I found Haibane renmei engrossing from the start. In fact i watched the whole series in two-days. Since someone suggested it's a series best watched marathon'd.
 
Lafiel said:
I found Haibane renmei engrossing from the start. In fact i watched the whole series in two-days. Since someone suggested it's a series best watched marathon'd.
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Yeah, I agree, it's a fascinating and captivating series, and I really got drawn into the mystery of the world, and the drama of the characters in it...
 
InfiniteNine said:
I guess it isn't for me then. I had a hard time staying awake while watching it.
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Different strokes for different folks!
 
Jexhius said:
NO.

WE ARE UNIFIED.
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Speaking of unified I like how Yuasa crammed instrumentality into Kaiba at the last second and then just dropped it.

EVAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
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