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Fall 2010 Anime Thread: Reboots, Retreads, and Rediscovery
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Yeah this is just sad. It seems like lately when I poke me head in the seasonal anime threads GAF just keeps sinking lower and lower. Last time everyone was going crazy over some sugary sweet moe crap and now it seems they've reached a new low following by what all accounts seems to be an anime based on an incest eroge. Either that or a completely original hentai series. I think I liked you guys more when you were going gaga for Macross Frontier.zeroshiki said:
With that said, can some of the non deep-end perv members with taste clue me in on what's worth watching. I usually don't get into them when they air. The last anime I followed as it aired was probably Kurenai. I like to let them get ahead a good season or half-season so I can get good recommendations.
I like Railgun, but couldn't watch the first Index season for some reason so I'm not sure season 2 is for me. I just glanced at Bakuman and it looks as though it could be okay. The character design looks cool at least.zeroshiki said:
As far as taste, I'll watch action, drama, comedy, cheese, cliche anything... pretty much everything but moe and hentai... oh and shoujo. I'm usually not a big fan of shoujo stuff.
Jex
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Crazy talk. We've got Kuragehime, which is always excellent.mAcOdIn said:
We've got P&S which is occasionly bad, but often great.
We've got Zakuro which is totally watchable and above average.
We've had Gundam Unicorn 2.
We've got Soredemo which may be my favourite SHAFT comedy at this point, and which is often pretty good (although last weeks was particularly excellent).
No, this is crazy talk. Those shows can only be considered above average if we assume that most anime sucks and just because those are watchable without feeling the need to hang yourself that they become magically good. By any objective analysis they are weak shows, just because they're surrounded by even weaker shows like Samurai Girls and Sora no Otoshimino doesn't mean we should grade them on a curve. I cut out Gundam because I haven't seen it.Jexhius said:
Dali said:
You can see that over the course of Index they realized that Railgun (Misaka Mikoto) was getting crazy popular and so in Index II she's almost always there even for just cameos.
The magic portions of Index have been reaaaally weak though so if you didn't enjoy the first Index you won't like most of the released episodes for Index II.
Jex
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Shiki 14: I was going to mention something about the Dr's actions but after a point it was pretty clear that
However I can still complain about the mother at the start of the episode. You see some random card so you call them, the unproven newcomers over the villagers trusted medical centre? Wut. These people are stupidly easy to manipulate.
he's completely lost his shit. The fact that he has zero hesitation when it comes to brutally experimenting on his wife reveal at least that much to us. The apparent lack of hesitation is impressive in that it pretty much leaves him as more of a monster than a human, even if what he needed to do was completely necessary.
Do I even believe that the Dr. has been under enough pressure to do that to his wife? I suppose it could be the case, but it does seem a little bit extreme. I don't know if I fully buy it.
I'm also kind of interested why the other vampires didn't attempt to claim her body, as they are few in number.
Do I even believe that the Dr. has been under enough pressure to do that to his wife? I suppose it could be the case, but it does seem a little bit extreme. I don't know if I fully buy it.
I'm also kind of interested why the other vampires didn't attempt to claim her body, as they are few in number.
However I can still complain about the mother at the start of the episode. You see some random card so you call them, the unproven newcomers over the villagers trusted medical centre? Wut. These people are stupidly easy to manipulate.
But that is true, no assumption needed.mAcOdIn said:
But P&S and Kuragehime would be excellent regardless of their season, so your argument makes no sense.mAcOdIn said:
This makes the least sense of all. It's not even an argument, it's just a nonsense.mAcOdIn said:
InfiniteNine
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Don't lump me in with you fools!firehawk12 said:
Fair enough.Jexhius said:
No, neither of these are really any good, although Kuregahime approaches good more often than the rest of the stuff on your list, like Zakuro, come on now.Jexhius said:
It was as much an argument as you claiming your list were all "good" shows.Jexhius said:
We should hold anime up to a slightly higher standard, not necessarily up to actual first rate TV standards like Band of Brothers but we shouldn't lower the expectations so low as to claim things are good when they're not. While it's true I wouldn't hesitate to catch an episode of Kuregahime or Soredemo it's sorta hard to find the motivation to seek it. That's not the mark of a good show, that's the mark of background noise.
Dali said:
You just jumped into this thread at the wrong time (Yosuga talk at it's peak), every other week Yosuga talk was practically non existant, but this weeks episode really pulled out all the stops, it had everything, I'm surprised it got away with airing what it did without being labelled a hentai outright.
Good shows to watch this season, I'd say Panty and Stocking, Soredemo, Kuragehime and Shiki (waiting till the 2nd half of the season finishes), have been the most enjoyable to watch so far.
mAcOdIn can't, by his own admission, distinguish a well-directed and animated show from any random phoned-in adaptation; why are you even arguing with him, Jex?
Pretty much every other show is as "occasionally" bad as Panty & Stocking, that is the crux of TV anime; you only notice it more in Panty & Stocking's case because some of the bad episodes are featured in the same broadcast as the great episodes.
Jexhius said:
Pretty much every other show is as "occasionally" bad as Panty & Stocking, that is the crux of TV anime; you only notice it more in Panty & Stocking's case because some of the bad episodes are featured in the same broadcast as the great episodes.
shawnlreed
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jman2050 said:
Not only did it actually happen, they show it during every ending animaton of the show.
Jex
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I'm not directly arguing on that point because, as you point out, it's inherently pointless.7Th said:
I was just re-iterating my views on the season as whole, now that it's drawing to a close.
Certainly. However, as P&S is often trying to be a wacky comedy, or many, many other things, when I find an episode unfunny I don't care about it at all. The first episode was very off putting in that manner, and I was worried the show would have the same awful script throughout. Thankfully, that wasn't the case.7Th said:
Also, when P&S does an 'icky' episode it is uncomfortable icky!
Although Shiki may have won the award for the most uncomfortable scene in an anime TV show (obviously you can't compete with movies and OVA's)
Jex
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I also liked Katanagatari. Though every rule has exceptions.flawfuls said:
Shiki 15: Did this show just jump the shark? Okay, it didn't, but it was super weird.
Okay, time to go semi-long form, because Shiki deserves it. Certainly more so than stupid fanservice shows and battling under-aged females.
[Shiki Episodes 14-15]
[Episode 14]
After thinking about this rather disturbing episode for awhile I've discovered that I have lots more to say. I'll try and make my points in a clear, concise manner.
- The Dr.'s inhuman brutality caused me to question whether these kinds of actions are possible for someone of his character. (Taking aside the fact that human beings are capable of great evil giving the circumstance). I've come to the conclusion that I really don't know. This may be a problem.
- The only characters that I feel that I've got to know are Natsuno, and maybe Megumi. This isn't inherently problematic. The village is pretty large, lots of people are gonna be killed, we can't focus on all of them.
-In terms of morally uncomfortable acts, the Dr.'s experiments are far more disturbing then, say, the pointless brutality of Violence Jack.
So we take an Infinite Ryvius approach with minor scenes dedicated to a large number of characters. However this show has way more characters than IR, so it doesn't always work as well. My biggest complaint is that we've had very little characterisation regarding the Dr. and his Wife. She's been in a few scenes, but she barely interacted with him and we got zero understanding of their relationship. Her dissection was still incredibly uncomfortable, but it would have worked far better if I actually believed she shared some kind of relationship with the Dr. beyond existing.
-I actually feel the show could have benefited from being longer (and slower? That's right!) because then maybe we'd have gotten some more consistent character development.
- The Dr.'s inhuman brutality caused me to question whether these kinds of actions are possible for someone of his character. (Taking aside the fact that human beings are capable of great evil giving the circumstance). I've come to the conclusion that I really don't know. This may be a problem.
- The only characters that I feel that I've got to know are Natsuno, and maybe Megumi. This isn't inherently problematic. The village is pretty large, lots of people are gonna be killed, we can't focus on all of them.
-In terms of morally uncomfortable acts, the Dr.'s experiments are far more disturbing then, say, the pointless brutality of Violence Jack.
So we take an Infinite Ryvius approach with minor scenes dedicated to a large number of characters. However this show has way more characters than IR, so it doesn't always work as well. My biggest complaint is that we've had very little characterisation regarding the Dr. and his Wife. She's been in a few scenes, but she barely interacted with him and we got zero understanding of their relationship. Her dissection was still incredibly uncomfortable, but it would have worked far better if I actually believed she shared some kind of relationship with the Dr. beyond existing.
-I actually feel the show could have benefited from being longer (and slower? That's right!) because then maybe we'd have gotten some more consistent character development.
[Episode 15]
- The Dr. seems rather unphased by his previous actions. Geeze. I guess this confirms that he's gone off the deep end. No remorse.
-The Dr. moves to take action too little, too late. He's known about the vampires for ages and done very little, so he really deserves his current predicament. Maybe you shouldn't have shot down Izumi, you idiot.
-What's with the people at the bar? Their excuses was that they admit to being brainwashed by the modern world, therefore they know that monsters don't exist. Okay. People didn't stop believing in such things because they were really close minded, they stopped believing because their rationality led them to question and challenge what they knew, exploring ideas that before might seem crazy.
These people didn't want to listen to the Dr. at all, or even humour him, or even disprove him. This reflects my early thought that everyone in the village is so stupid they deserve to die, and I look forward to these guys hitting the dirt.
-I'm not sure how familiar you folks are with modern horror, but theirs been a trend in some circles (e.g. Scream) for characters with some basic genre awareness. In other words, they don't all act like stupid horror movie victims. Unfortunately most people in Shiki act like stupid victims, even if quite often the show explains why. But not always.
This is a more of a problem for me because in The Twelve Kingdoms I enjoyed how characters managed to avoid falling into tired fantasy clichés and acted like real people. As I've said before, plenty of people act realistically but whenever someone doesn't it really bugs me.
-Speaking of people acting stupidly- what vampire let that idiot put on the funeral? I guess everyone was too pilot to rush up and punch that lunatic in the pink clothing in the face, but I certainly would have done. It was such a ridiculous scene I'm not sure if it even fitted with my understanding of the usually reasonable and predictable Shiki world.
-While we're on the topic of crazy scenes, that shoujo sparkle scene with the vampire on the chaise lounge moment was unintentionally hilarious. Wut.
-The Dr. moves to take action too little, too late. He's known about the vampires for ages and done very little, so he really deserves his current predicament. Maybe you shouldn't have shot down Izumi, you idiot.
-What's with the people at the bar? Their excuses was that they admit to being brainwashed by the modern world, therefore they know that monsters don't exist. Okay. People didn't stop believing in such things because they were really close minded, they stopped believing because their rationality led them to question and challenge what they knew, exploring ideas that before might seem crazy.
These people didn't want to listen to the Dr. at all, or even humour him, or even disprove him. This reflects my early thought that everyone in the village is so stupid they deserve to die, and I look forward to these guys hitting the dirt.
-I'm not sure how familiar you folks are with modern horror, but theirs been a trend in some circles (e.g. Scream) for characters with some basic genre awareness. In other words, they don't all act like stupid horror movie victims. Unfortunately most people in Shiki act like stupid victims, even if quite often the show explains why. But not always.
This is a more of a problem for me because in The Twelve Kingdoms I enjoyed how characters managed to avoid falling into tired fantasy clichés and acted like real people. As I've said before, plenty of people act realistically but whenever someone doesn't it really bugs me.
-Speaking of people acting stupidly- what vampire let that idiot put on the funeral? I guess everyone was too pilot to rush up and punch that lunatic in the pink clothing in the face, but I certainly would have done. It was such a ridiculous scene I'm not sure if it even fitted with my understanding of the usually reasonable and predictable Shiki world.
-While we're on the topic of crazy scenes, that shoujo sparkle scene with the vampire on the chaise lounge moment was unintentionally hilarious. Wut.
Well I don't think it does either because I couldn't finish it and you probably don't think too highly of it but flawfuls probably really liked it and thus heavily enjoyed it in spite of it's terrible direction. That said, he, you and I would all have enjoyed it more if it were better directed.7Th said:
As I said before, I don't consider it a negative just not a requirement for a good show.
Jex
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Urusei Yatsura 35: It's fairly understandable why Ran is always plotting revenge :lol
Wait, we can get clumsy male waiters?
Good writing, too.
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Oh fuck, more horrifying implications of Shiki 14+15:
Wait, we can get clumsy male waiters?
Good writing, too.
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Oh fuck, more horrifying implications of Shiki 14+15:
At the end of 15 Natsuno appears before the Dr. and tells him that he isn't alone, suggesting that Natsuno will work 'from the other side' as it were.
Of course, we already know that the vampires are actually just the original people brought back to life with the desire to consume human blood, they aren't inherently evil or anything like that (and some even fail to attack humans). Which suggests that there wasn't really a need for the Dr. to kill his wife in such a fashion, because theoretically she might not have gone after people, especially away from the controlling influences of the senior vampires.
Of course, the Dr. never checked to see if that was the case because he was too busy experimenting on her. Because he's a fucked up guy.
Of course, we already know that the vampires are actually just the original people brought back to life with the desire to consume human blood, they aren't inherently evil or anything like that (and some even fail to attack humans). Which suggests that there wasn't really a need for the Dr. to kill his wife in such a fashion, because theoretically she might not have gone after people, especially away from the controlling influences of the senior vampires.
Of course, the Dr. never checked to see if that was the case because he was too busy experimenting on her. Because he's a fucked up guy.
Jex
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Shiki 16: Man, the direction for this show can be so blunt at times. And I really hate the character art of some characters (those Star Driver eyes). Also, what was with the Megumi-service? This isn't some Gainax show.
Anyway, this is the first episode in a long time where I have nothing but good things to say.
Anyway, this is the first episode in a long time where I have nothing but good things to say.
Sgt.Pepper
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What. I didn't know about any bill...
http://www.gameinformer.com/blogs/m...e-end-of-anime-and-manga-bill-156-passed.aspx
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