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[flawfuls]

So I take it would include some gender-bending series since cross dressing seems to be a popular way to do gender-bending (Hana Kimi, Fruits Basket, Hayate the Combat Butler, Fudanshism, Prunus Girl, etc.) as opposed to gender changing (Ranma 1/2, Kampfer).

So it would take Wandering Son. That sounds about right.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

To be honest, I would like to see more gender changing manga/anime since Ranma 1/2 was one of the first anime series to get me into the hobby. I find this method of exploring the role of gender in society quite interesting. There is only a very small number of series that do it.

The other angle, cross dressing happens so often it is kind of passe. Heck, cross dressing happens frequently in MM!! (an anime from this season) and you betcha that there will be character who do so in the Winter season of anime (like Horou Musuko).

I wish they kind of had more of the other kind of gender bending.

 

[luka]

Japan might churn out a lot of weird shit that decent people should avoid, but I'll still defend their right to shit them out by the dozen, maids and catgirls and all. This bill fucking blows.

Watched Star Driver 11, it was, uh, it wasn't episode ten. >_> It wasn't bad, I guess.

It's not censorship. No one is telling them what the can't make, just who they can sell them to. The industry will have to adapt like every other under cultural limitations.

Don't get me wrong, I like Japan's weird shit. If I were in a position to do so I would fight this bill to the end, but honestly I don't see anything particularly terrible about it in the long run. You'll see a drastic decrease in promiscuous high school stories, for sure, but they'll still be around if you really want them.

 

[Crash Station]

To be honest, I would like to see more gender changing manga/anime since Ranma 1/2 was one of the first anime series to get me into the hobby. I find this method of exploring the role of gender in society quite interesting. There is only a very small number of series that do it.

The other angle, cross dressing happens so often it is kind of passe. Heck, cross dressing happens frequently in MM!! (an anime from this season) and you betcha that there will be character who do so in the Winter season of anime (like Horou Musuko).

I wish they kind of had more of the other kind of gender bending.

Here you go.

Can't vouch for everything there (and a lot of it seems to be porn), but it's a pretty big genre. Definitely check out Futaba-kun Change! since it's exactly what you want but with multiple characters.

 

[Hitokage]

Can't vouch for every series there, but it's a pretty big genre. Definitely check out Futaba-kun Change! since it's exactly what you want but with multiple characters.

Only if you don't mind bullshit endings.

 

[Crash Station]

Only if you don't mind bullshit endings.

:lol The fuck was up with that anyway? Did it get canceled or something? There's dumb endings and then there's that.

 

[zeroshiki]

It's not censorship. No one is telling them what the can't make, just who they can sell them to. The industry will have to adapt like every other under cultural limitations.

Don't get me wrong, I like Japan's weird shit. If I were in a position to do so I would fight this bill to the end, but honestly I don't see anything particularly terrible about it in the long run. You'll see a drastic decrease in promiscuous high school stories, for sure, but they'll still be around if you really want them.

IF (and that's a big IF) this gets enforced, even the most mundane Jump series will be affected. It will definitely signal a change in how anime/manga is presented.

 

[anotheriori]

You'll see a drastic decrease in promiscuous high school stories, for sure, but they'll still be around if you really want them.

It will definitely be drawing a line in the sand, almost like hardcore sex or none at all. Definitely geezer's envisioning of things.. hormonal changes/puberty/sexuality occur at those ages seem off limits even if these things don't interest adults.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Here you go.

Can't vouch for everything there (and a lot of it seems to be porn), but it's a pretty big genre. Definitely check out Futaba-kun Change! since it's exactly what you want but with multiple characters.

Already read it, Futaba-kun Change! was pretty awesome.

As I said, a huge majority of the gender bending genre is more cross dressing than gender changing. While the abundance of the former is quite interesting (and includes absolute masterpieces like Rose of Versailles) it would be nice to see more of the latter. And yes Kampfer and Kasimashi is part of the latter, but I would like to see more quality entries of the latter.

Only if you don't mind bullshit endings.

Yeah, it totally fell apart at the end.

Too bad manga and anime rarely have amazing endings.

 

[Haly]

I find this method of exploring the role of gender in society quite interesting. There is only a very small number of series that do it.

You really can't compare Hourou Musuko to some of those other series.

In terms of exploring gender roles Hourou Musukou is like a case study and the others are Shanadeus threads.

 

[Crash Station]

Already read it, Futaba-kun Change! was pretty awesome.

As I said, a huge majority of the gender bending genre is more cross dressing than gender changing. While the abundance of the former is quite interesting (and includes absolute masterpieces like Rose of Versailles) it would be nice to see more of the latter. And yes Kampfer and Kasimashi is part of the latter, but I would like to see more quality entries of the latter.

I'm pretty sure the gender changing genre is just called gender bending. At least that's how tvtropes classifies it.

 

[zeroshiki]

Tenshi na konamaiki

 

[Einherjar]

So I decided to watch some eps of the new pokemon series after not caring about pokemon since the blue/red gameboy games...

How can Ash be this bad after like 10 years? He literally loses twice to some scrub that just got his first pokemon, and his pikachu loses 1v1 to wild unevolved pokemon that are like lvl 5. Do they just pretend his previous adventures never happened every new season?

 

[flawfuls]

You really can't compare Hourou Musuko to some of those other series.

In terms of exploring gender roles Hourou Musukou is like a case study and the others are Shanadeus threads.

Exactly. Every other gender bender anime is pretty pitiful compared to it.

 

[Trojita]

I'm sure if the bill was passed before Ore Imouto was ever made then it would be about a brother that finds out his sister loves magical girl anime.

Under the bill she can't be allowed to have (let alone buy) 18+ games or likely games revolving brother/sister complexes..... since you know it corrupts the minds of the youth or something something.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I'm pretty sure the gender changing genre is just called gender bending. At least that's how tvtropes classifies it.

As I said, Gender Bender is the main genre but I classify it further into the two subgenres of Cross Dressing and Gender Changing. It is an umbrella term for the both of them and there is much more of the former than the latter. That is all I am trying to say.

Tenshi na konamaiki

I have the Viz media release under the name "Cheeky Angel." It is pretty awesome.

You guys can name all the series you want, I have probably seen the anime or read the manga on some level. I am like the gender-bending expert here :lol

 

[Crash Station]

Then can you recommend some for me?

 

[Nonoriri]

Ghibli's next movie Summer 2011, by Goro Miyazaki ruh-roh

 

[Joule]

Just finished Kamichu! That was a very pleasant show. It is excellent slice of life. The premise of a junior highschool girl becoming a god turned out to be so entertaining. It's like a much more light hearted Natsume Yuujinchou with an innocent romance involved. The things that go on in this series were pretty unique: the main character suddenly becoming a god and causing a typhoon that was named after her, being the ambassador to a crash landed martian who was returning a broken down rover to earth or watching your pet cat shoryuken another cat. I don't think I was ever bored with any episode of this show. The amusement just kept coming.

What also really made this show endearing for me was the setting. Something about it being in the 1980s really struck a tone with me. I suppose I have a soft spot for these sorts of time periods.

The OST was also particularly strong. The instrumental scores are quite diverse and really create atmosphere of a small town on the coast. Some it reminds me of something I'd hear from Joe Hisashi. Some of my favourite tracks from the show: Sentimental Country Romance, Chuugakusei Ga Yuku, Sukoshi Fushigi. I think I'll have to look into picking up the OST sometime.

The opening for this show is also quite well done. The song is really catchy and the sequence is nicely composed. Didn't skip it once.

On the animation side of things, not being well versed in such things, I'll just say it was a solid production by Brains Base. I was a little surprised with how well animated some things were but I wonder how the original broadcast was.

I had a lot of fun with this show and would recommend any others who enjoy some light hearted whimsical adventures. I really should of caught this show back when it was airing, I love these sorts of shows. Literally a godlike anime.

Now to get to reading the manga adaptation. Going to need some more slice of life after this. Perhaps its time to start up Aria.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Then can you recommend some for me?

Of course, I am always willing to recommend stuff from my guilty pleasure genre.

What medium? (Anime or Manga)
Cross Dressing or Gender Changing?
Market? (Shojo, Shonen, Josei, Seinen, Yaoi, Yuri)
Genre? (Drama, Comedy, Romance, Historical, etc.)

Let me warn you though, anime is pretty damn limited when it comes to gender bending. Manga has a copious selection of cross dressing but a limited selection of gender changing, which is why I lamented the lack of the latter, even in manga.

 

[dimb]

So I decided to watch some eps of the new pokemon series after not caring about pokemon since the blue/red gameboy games...

How can Ash be this bad after like 10 years? He literally loses twice to some scrub that just got his first pokemon, and his pikachu loses 1v1 to wild unevolved pokemon that are like lvl 5. Do they just pretend his previous adventures never happened every new season?

It's supposed to be for little kids who were fetuses when the first episodes were aired.

 

[Crash Station]

Of course, I am always willing to recommend stuff from my guilty pleasure genre.

What medium? (Anime or Manga)
Cross Dressing or Gender Changing?
Market? (Shojo, Shonen, Josei, Seinen, Yaoi, Yuri)
Genre? (Drama, Comedy, Romance, Historical, etc.)

Let me warn you though, anime is pretty damn limited when it comes to gender bending. Manga has a copious selection of cross dressing but a limited selection of gender changing, which is why I lamented the lack of the latter, even in manga.

Either medium, gender changing, any demographic but no yaoi/yuri, any genre but preferably comedy.

 

[zeroshiki]

Ghibli's next movie Summer 2011, by Goro Miyazaki ruh-roh

Burn it with fire!

This is like Christopher Tolkien taking a dump on his fathers' work.

Just finished Kamichu! That was a very pleasant show. It is excellent slice of life. The premise of a junior highschool girl becoming a god turned out to be so entertaining. It's like a much more light hearted Natsume Yuujinchou with an innocent romance involved. The things that go on in this series were pretty unique: the main character suddenly becoming a god and causing a typhoon that was named after her, being the ambassador to a crash landed martian who was returning a broken down rover to earth or watching your pet cat shoryuken another cat. I don't think I was ever bored with any episode of this show. The amusement just kept coming.

What also really made this show endearing for me was the setting. Something about it being in the 1980s really struck a tone with me. I suppose I have a soft spot for these sorts of time periods.

The OST was also particularly strong. The instrumental scores are quite diverse and really create atmosphere of a small town on the coast. Some it reminds me of something I'd hear from Joe Hisashi. Some of my favourite tracks from the show: Sentimental Country Romance, Chuugakusei Ga Yuku, Sukoshi Fushigi. I think I'll have to look into picking up the OST sometime.

The opening for this show is also quite well done. The song is really catchy and the sequence is nicely composed. Didn't skip it once.

On the animation side of things, not being well versed in such things, I'll just say it was a solid production by Brains Base. I was a little surprised with how well animated some things were but I wonder how the original broadcast was.

I had a lot of fun with this show and would recommend any others who enjoy some light hearted whimsical adventures. I really should of caught this show back when it was airing, I love these sorts of shows. Literally a godlike anime.

Now to get to reading the manga adaptation. Going to need some more slice of life after this. Perhaps its time to start up Aria.

I always felt that if Ghibli were to make a TV series, the result would be Kamichu!

 

[Hitokage]

I always felt that if Ghibli were to make a TV series, the result would be Kamichu!

Nah, it would be more like Future Boy Conan.

 

[flawfuls]

As I said, Gender Bender is the main genre but I classify it further into the two subgenres of Cross Dressing and Gender Changing. It is an umbrella term for the both of them and there is much more of the former than the latter. That is all I am trying to say.



I have the Viz media release under the name "Cheeky Angel." It is pretty awesome.

You guys can name all the series you want, I have probably seen the anime or read the manga on some level. I am like the gender-bending expert here :lol

This sounds like a challenge. Have you read all of these.

Nicoichi, Claudine, After School Nightmare, Mint na Bokura, Okama Report, W Juliet, Shut Hell

 

[DrForester]

Nah, it would be more like Future Boy Conan.

I'd like to think it would have been like Nadia, with a great 2nd half.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Either medium, gender changing, any demographic but no yaoi/yuri, any genre but preferably comedy.

Okay, prepare for the short list of stuff in regards to gender changing.

Anime
Kampfer
Ranma 1/2 - Licensed
Kasimashi - Licensed

Manga
Gacha Gacha Secret - Licensed
Kampfer
Kedamono Damono - Licensed
Sekainohate de Aimashou
Your and My Secret - Licensed
Otome no Iroha
Ranma 1/2 - Licensed
Kasimashi - Licensed
Asuka Hybrid
Futaba-kun Change - Licensed
The Day of Revolution - Licensed
Clear up After Rain

As I mentioned earlier, it is much easier doing the cross dressing aspect since there is much more to choose from. There are too many of them but I will name some of my favorites.

Fudanshism: Fudanshi Yugi (I am pretty addicted to this, I have all 7 volumes released in Japan)
Mint Na Bokura
Rose of Versailles
Yubisaki Milk Tea
Mizuho Ambivalent
Le Chavelier D'eon
Oto x Maho
Maria Holic
Brocken Blood (funny as hell, you may like it)

This sounds like a challenge. Have you read all of these.

Nicoichi, Claudine, After School Nightmare, Mint na Bokura, Okama Report, W Juliet, Shut Hell

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes (Own the imports), Yes, Yes (I even have the Viz Media release), and no

 

[zeroshiki]

Nah, it would be more like Future Boy Conan.

See, I figured someone would get all literal and say something like Lupin or World Masterpiece Theater.

Kamichu pretty much felt like something the Miyazaki side of Ghibli would produce. It has the standard little girl caught up in circumstances with a dash of magical world that Miyazaki loves.

 

[dimb]

Either medium, gender changing, any demographic but no yaoi/yuri, any genre but preferably comedy.

Obvious one but are you watching Princess Jellyfish?

 

[Crash Station]

List

Thanks

Obvious one but are you watching Princess Jellyfish?

Yes but it's not gender changing.

 

[flawfuls]

Yes, Yes, Yes, Yes (Own the imports), Yes, Yes (I even have the Viz Media release), and no

Impressive. To be honest Shut Hell isn't exactly a gender bender manga at it's core.

 

[zeroshiki]

I'm not sure whether to be awed or creeped out by Hcoregamer's expertise in gender-bending stuff.

 

[InfiniteNine]

I like where this thread is going!

 

[Jex]

I'm not sure whether to be awed or creeped out by Hcoregamer's expertise in gender-bending stuff.

You can move from position to the other.

 

[Hcoregamer00]

I'm not sure whether to be awed or creeped out by Hcoregamer's expertise in gender-bending stuff.

Here is the thing, it isn't exactly for perverts since gender-bending pretty much goes across all genres and all demographics in the medium of anime and manga. Yes there is creppy stuff in there, but there is also masterpieces in there like Rose of Versailles and Le Chavelier D'eon that uses it as a plot device to move the story. Hell, Sailor Moon had gender bending.

I like where this thread is going!

I should shut my mouth now :lol

 

[tiff]

I'm not sure whether to be awed or creeped out by Hcoregamer's expertise in gender-bending stuff.

I'm grateful - found a few new shows to add to my "to watch" list.

 

[Jex]

You know, I'm not a fan of de facto censorship so I don't support this from a legal standpoint but I can't help but be secretly somewhat pleased with the law personally. Sorry guys.

It's alright with you until you realise they've taken away Spice and Wolf for ever!

And you're secretly pleased by a really vaguely worded bill affect manga/anime, but no other mediums, even though the repercussions of such a law (virtual crime, or so these 'sources' say) are completely unknown? That's kind of a disturbing thing to be pleased about!

 

[zeroshiki]

I'm grateful - found a few new shows to add to my "to watch" list.

Err... Ranma, Kampfer or Kasimasi?

Here is the thing, it isn't exactly for perverts since gender-bending pretty much goes across all genres and all demographics in the medium of anime and manga. Yes there is creppy stuff in there, but there is also masterpieces in there like Rose of Versailles and Le Chavelier D'eon that uses it as a plot device to move the story. Hell, Sailor Moon had gender bending.



I should shut my mouth now :lol

Oh dont get me wrong, there are some pretty good ones in your list. Its just the 100% hit rate with you of having seen them all

 

[InfiniteNine]

I should shut my mouth now :lol

Shush, keep it open and start spouting some more crossdressing stuff.

 

[zeroshiki]

It's alright with you until you realise they've taken away Spice and Wolf for ever!

What, bestiality is illegal?!

 

[firehawk12]

This thread has gone into strange places. :lol

Technically Sora no Otoshimono has gender changes as well, as the dude keeps changing into a girl for hilarious hijinks.

 

[tiff]

Err... Ranma, Kampfer or Kasimasi?

Maria Holic and Rose of Versailles.

 

[Mandoric]

Macross?



So who's excited about Sayonara no Tsubasa? Me, I'm real excited.

i guess

Well, if it's not going to be Utena...

Why are you trying to take the thread away from moe by posting the first moe character?

 

[zeroshiki]

Maria Holic and Rose of Versailles.

Finding out about Mariya's sister was the highlight of the show for me. Suddenly its ok to find Mariya attractive!

 

[Hcoregamer00]

Maria Holic and Rose of Versailles.

Yeah, I totally forgot they had anime versions also

Finding out about Mariya's sister was the highlight of the show for me. Suddenly its ok to find Mariya attractive!

Yeah, but seeing Mariya bully the sister made me so sad.

With that said, I like Matsurika's off the wall comments. She hates the world.

 

[InfiniteNine]

Finding out about Mariya's sister was the highlight of the show for me. Suddenly its ok to find Mariya attractive!

It was always okay!

Yeah, I totally forgot they had anime versions also

Season two for Maria+Holic on the way! O:

 

[tiff]

Finding out about Mariya's sister was the highlight of the show for me. Suddenly its ok to find Mariya attractive!

I didn't know I needed an excuse to find Mariya attractive, but it's good to know I have something to look forward to!

 

[Jex]

This thread has gone into strange places. :lol

Technically Sora no Otoshimono has gender changes as well, as the dude keeps changing into a girl for hilarious hijinks.

I thought this thread was serious business last night.

 

[Geneijin]

Seems like the right time to ask. Anyone know of an anime with crossdressing similar to Hayate from Hayate The Combat Butler?

 

[Jex]

Ghibli's next movie Summer 2011, by Goro Miyazaki ruh-roh

Can't wait for Miyazaki to ask the animators to strike again.

Nah, it would be more like Future Boy Conan.

Burn.

I'd like to think it would have been like Nadia, with a great 2nd half.

It did have a great 2nd half, there were no island episodes.

By this description it seems like a weak-assed attempt to deal with the fact that kids are killing themselves instead of getting married and/or having babies these days in Japan. Lawl. I'm sure it'll work wonders for the "healthy development of youth."

Maybe they should stick to trying to work on their economy rather than other nonsense.