VoodooProject
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Native 4k on the Xbox One X
1620P on the PS4 Pro
Native 4k on the Xbox One X
1620P on the PS4 Pro
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Far Cry 5 - Digital Foundry Tech Analysis on All Consoles
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LuvOfThaGame
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Native 4k and extremely solid frame rate for the X. Excellent for an open world game such as this. X really flexing its muscle. Isn't this game using fp16 for PS4P? If so, it must not be the difference maker that several here was claiming.
lukilladog
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At least the consoles are somewhat keeping with the pace of the display tech, typical 30fps/medium-high settings and all; Meanwhile the typical "pc" experience: 60fps, high settings, and 50% higher resolution than consoles on your $250 graphics card, is a thing of the past. I mean forget about 50% higher resolution than the best console, $270 can´t even play this game at 4k and low settings, at least not by normal pc standards. I definitely would never play a fps @30fps with a mouse, much less with a gamepad @13:27 :
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Soltype
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lukilladog
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lukilladog
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Anyway, even on high end and max settings the 1080ti chokes itself, and it shouldn´t, budget cards never choked at console like resolutions like 480p or 720p. Now it seems everybody on pc must stick to budget 1080p monitors or else you can´t play well new games.
Soltype
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Thought 1060s were 250?, and 30 isn't crap, just not ideal.
Turk1993
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In Belgium they cost 400€, video cards are really overpriced these days.
lukilladog
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30fps on pc has always been bad, it hasn´t been a thing since the 90´s and always suffer frame pacing issues. Bang for buck vs. console is garbage now. IMO the 750ti was the last really good entry level card, no memory compromises, brand new console´s resolution, piece of cake.
lukilladog
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Actually you need to be kind of a pc lover to demand that it shouldn´t be left behind like this... I don´t want to see 30fps on pc unless I´m playing on integrated graphics.
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Armorian
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It looks average compared to other Ubi engines actually, I will quote my my post from OT:
MrTroubleMaker
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I'm curious for their next analysis with PC, I wonder how the XBX compares to PC
Very impressive for the XBX, but the PC would be better. It will run at 60 fps with the best cards. This game needs 60 fps as it is a shooter. Even though it's an offline focused game, I feel that all FPS should have 60 fps so that it feels smooth, more responsive and fast when you move and look around. 30 fps FPS gave me headaches, so I would prefer it to be 60 fps. I will be getting it for the PC. FC4 and primal on PC with 60 fps felt really nice to me, so I have high hopes for FC5.
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Lort
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Sure will need the best cards if u want 4k 60 fps on xbox one x settings youll need a 1080 or above. Prob a 1080 Ti ... um...
4K 30 FPS CONFIGURATION:
OS: Windows 10 (64-bit version only)
PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7-6700 @ 3.4 GHz or AMD Ryzen 5 1600X @ 3.6 GHz or equivalent
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 or AMD RX Vega 56 (8GB VRAM with Shader Model 5.0 or better)
SYSTEM RAM: 16GB
Resolution: 2160p
Video Preset: High
4K 60 FPS CONFIGURATION:
OS: Windows 10 (64-bit version only)
PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.0 GHz or AMD Ryzen 7 1700X @ 3.4 GHz or equivalent
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 SLI or AMD RX Vega 56 CFX (8GB VRAM with Shader Model 5.0 or better)
SYSTEM RAM: 16GB
Resolution: 2160p
Video Preset: High/Ultra
Oh i see what u mean by cards as in you need 2 of them haha!
Once again the xbox one x is well ahead of a 1060 and looks to be about the same as a 1070 at 4k gaming. nexts weeks df will confirm this.
Silent Viper
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I expect more games to hit Native 4k on X once developers get more comfortable with hardware.
Here's hoping Rockstar optimizes RDR 2 properly and achieve native 4k.
Here's hoping Rockstar optimizes RDR 2 properly and achieve native 4k.
Silent Viper
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No point in comparing. X is unbeatable @ 500 $ Price point right now . You have to spend lot more than 500 to hit native 4k on PC.
Klik
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That's the thing i was always curious abou but i thought its maybe just a placebo. When i switched from PC to console (after being pc player for 15 years) i thought i would find it very difficult to adjust to 30fps on console. But on the contrary,30fps on PC feels much worst than on console.30 fps on console is much more fluid and i really dont mind playing at all,but on PC holy crap,its totally different story in a verge of unplayable.
Louis Cyphre
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The issue is with console gamers and not wanting to divide them and bee seen to have an unfair advantage if the game has multiplayer. Microsoft/Turn 10 never green lit 60fps as an option for Forza Horizon 3 on the Xbox One X even though it is on pc and crossplay. The push and advertising for 4K also gives them less incentive to focus more on higher than 30fps. I expect the PS5 and next Xbox to continue the trend of graphics over faster frame rates since 30fps has been deemed acceptable.
The Xbox One X is however showing it's power advantage in the console arena and for $500 it's hard to beat if one were to try and achieve a stable 30fps at 4K with those settings on a pc. It also doesn't help building a pc isn't exactly the best time with ram and gpu prices so high.
Lort
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Two reasons when someone plays on pc they usually play with variable frame rate and variable frame times as its pushing their hardware .. makes a very unstable experience .. a good console game is always locked to 30 fps.
Also the mouse lag makes aiming very unresponsive on pc.. on consoles the gamepads often polled way faster than 30 fps ie 125hz.
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Armorian
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That's true, it's most likely caused by fucked frame limiters in most games - frame pacing is bad using them, RTSS helps a lot. I can play 30fps console game but can't tolerate it on pc, PC IS 60FPS+ machine
JimboJones
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Usually I find it more to do with being more exposed to 60fps and going straight to 30 is jarring, playing a 60fps on console and going straight to a 30fps game makes them feel just as bad.That's true, it's most likely caused by fucked frame limiters in most games - frame pacing is bad using them, RTSS helps a lot. I can play 30fps console game but can't tolerate it on pc, PC IS 60FPS+ machine
So much for fp16, optimization can only do so much against a machine with more powerful hardware.
Calibos
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Sure, I guess that's true...There are areas of this game that are completely jaw dropping in the looks department though. Better textures, lighting and volumetrics than anything I have seen on console before. Uncharted 4 and the Order levels of detail, but in a large open world with way more going on.
It's good stuff, and the game is great to boot!
Armorian
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That too. I played 2 console games with framerate switch (LoU R and Nioh) and 30fps option looked unplayable.
I have to play more, see more areas and stuff but basic effects will be the same and they look worse than what pc version of FC4 offered. Anvil and Snowdrop are among best engines right now (in terms of gfx output), Dunia is lagging behind.
It's interesting that X1X gets straight port of this game (1:1 assets) and only difference is in resolution, all that added memory is left unused - that mens X1 quality assets on PC too
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Calibos
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It's interesting that X1X gets straight port of this game (1:1 assets) and only difference is in resolution, all that added memory is left unused - that mens X1 quality assets on PC too
Pretty sure they develop for PC high spec first, so I guess it is what it is...
Personally, I just find it prettier/more appealing then the others in the aesthetic. So I guess my opinion has no place in a "tech" thread.
rokkerkory
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Hugs my X, such a well designed system.
Lort
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That too. I played 2 console games with framerate switch (LoU R and Nioh) and 30fps option looked unplayable.
I have to play more, see more areas and stuff but basic effects will be the same and they look worse than what pc version of FC4 offered. Anvil and Snowdrop are among best engines right now (in terms of gfx output), Dunia is lagging behind.
It's interesting that X1X gets straight port of this game (1:1 assets) and only difference is in resolution, all that added memory is left unused - that mens X1 quality assets on PC too
When u need 1080 sli to do 4k 60 fps .. why would u complain about wanting higher level assets lol. Do u titan sli ? U are the 1% of the 1% lol
Armorian
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Single 1070 here, game eats ~3.4GB of VRAM on highest settings in resolution i play (2560x1080 but it's actually much more with 1.2 scaling) so there is ton of room for better textures, shadowmaps etc. Developers have access to 9GB of RAM on X1X, game is using ~5 for assets (same in all versions) and maybe 1GB max for 4K framebuffer in this version - devs could easily utilize free space and that would benefit PC version too.
I don't like some choices devs made in this game about gfx quality (ugly tree shadows, low res volumetric...) but they sure have correct priority list on consoles - 3 out of 4 versions are pretty much 30 fps locked, that's unusual for Ubisoft
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lukilladog
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That's true, it's most likely caused by fucked frame limiters in most games - frame pacing is bad using them, RTSS helps a lot. I can play 30fps console game but can't tolerate it on pc, PC IS 60FPS+ machine
Yeah, I have not touched consoles since the n64 and dreamcast but I remember playing some incredibly smooth 30fps games on them. For some obscure reason PC needs at least 35-37fps for smooth frame pacing, everyone can try: create a 74hz custom resolution and use half vsync in the nvidia control panel, if the game can´t pick the resolution just set the desktop to such resolution. Games will appear more like 60fps than 30fps games, just because of good frame pacing.
lukilladog
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Btw, I found this experimenting trying to play next gen games on old video cards, however being pushed to do it in your latest tech entry level card trying to match latest console hardware resolution is, is something new that pc gamers shouldn´t be supporting.
fp16 would only help to any noticeable degree if a game is being bottlenecked by GPU processing power. Considering XBox One X has 50% more GPU processing power then Pro and this game is running at 78% higher resolution, that suggests this game is bottlenecked somewhere else on Pro.
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Bogroll
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yeah the tearing in the most important part of the game, the map screen, just makes it totally unplayable on X
AgentP
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Let hope more developers stop leaning on more pixels. Most people don't have 4k TVs and those that do sit far enough away to not be able to resolve the increased resolution. I'd like it if more developers used the horsepower for frame rate or real graphics improvements.
Armorian
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Don't expect 60 fps in cpu hungry game like RDR, most of X1X juice will go res. most likely.
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Silent Viper
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With X and Pro, it's better devs go for graphics / resolution with locked smooth 30 fps over 60 fps. These consoles are not designed for 60 fps, frame rate barely hit 60 in most games. I prefer lock smooth 30 fps with all bells and whistles.
For 60 fps we have to wait till consoles get better cpu.