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I didn't post this article last week but it seems it can answer a few questions that are usually asked here.

Edit: ha, top of the page again 😓

http://m.truthdig.com/report/item/the_deep_states_hatred_of_trump_is_not_the_same_as_yours_20170302
Flash forward to the present. Horrified at the rise of an Insane Clown President who evokes chilling echoes of classic fascism, millions have taken to the streets. The issues that concern the swirling, record-setting crowds that have arisen from coast to coast are evident on their homemade signs.They include women’s and civil rights, climate change, social justice, racism, nativism, the police state, mass incarceration, plutocracy, authoritarianism, immigrant rights, low wages, economic inequality (the top tenth of the upper U.S. 1 percent now owns more wealth than the nation’s bottom 90 percent), hyper-militarism and the devaluation of science and education. The marches and protests are about the threats Trump poses to peace, social justice, the rule of law, livable ecology and democracy.

Meanwhile, the national corporate media and the U.S. intelligence community have been attacking Trump for a very different and strange reason.

The U.S. power elite—rooted in key deep-state institutions like the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), the Atlantic Council, the Brookings Institution, The Washington Post and The New York Times—thinks differently. As Mike Whitney recently explained on Counterpunch, Trump’s failure to grasp the necessity of the New Cold War with Russia “threat[ens] … Washington’s broader imperial strategy to control China’s growth, topple Putin, spread military bases across Central Asia, implement trade agreements that maintain the dominant role of western-owned mega-corporations, and derail attempts by Russia and China to link the wealthy EU to Asia by expanding the web of pipeline corridors and high-speed rail that will draw the continents closer together creating the largest and most populous free trade zone the world has ever seen. … The economic integration of Asia and Europe must be blocked to preserve Washington’s hegemonic grip on world power.”

This is CFR-led, U.S. “Open Door” Imperialism 101.

Don’t be fooled by how much CNN’s anchors enjoy broadcasting images of mass anti-Trump popular protests. The U.S. imperial, financial and corporate establishment doesn’t care about the plight of the Standing Rock water and climate protectors, livable ecology, Muslim communities, Latino immigrants, Black Lives Matter activists, poor blacks, civil liberties, the working class (white and nonwhite) or Trump’s recent, insane, budget-busting call for a 10 percent increase in the U.S. military budget.

The Trump presidency is a problem for the American establishment for some very different reasons. He’s a public relations and marketing disaster for Brand USA. How do you sell the United States as a great model and agent of freedom, democracy and cultural diversity when its visible state is captained by vicious, white-nationalist authoritarians like the Twitter-addicted “thin-skinned megalomaniac” Trump and his quasi-fascist “alt-right” Svengali, Steve Bannon?

Still, don’t expect the Trump-as-a-tool-of-Russia talk to go away. It’s too irresistible for Democrats to drop. Besides working to delegitimize Trump (something Democrats hope to turn to their advantage in 2018 and 2020), the blame-the-Kremlin narrative helps New Cold Warriors atop both reigning parties keep the heat on Moscow. It helps them hedge in Trump’s lingering promise of rapprochement with Russia.

At the same time, the Russia card helps the corporatists atop the Democratic Party avoid responsibility for blowing the election. After defeating the progressive Democrat Bernie Sanders (who would have defeated Trump) in dubious ways, the neoliberal Democrats ran a hopelessly wooden, Wall Street-captive and corruption-tainted candidate (Hillary Clinton) who couldn’t mobilize enough working- and lower-class voters to defeat the hypernoxious and widely hated Trump. The “Moscow stole it” story line is a fancy version of “the dog ate my homework” for a dismal, dollar-drenched Democratic Party that abandoned the working class and the causes of peace, social justice and environmental sustainability long ago.

The moneyed masters in charge of the “inauthentic opposition” party (the late, left-liberal political scientist Sheldon Wolin’s all-too-accurate description of the Democrats nine years ago) would rather not take a long, hard and honest look at what that political organization has become. It does not want to concede anything to those who dream of turning it into an authentically progressive opposition party. The “Russia did it” imputation works for establishment Democrats hoping to stave off demands from more progressive and populist types (who recently came close to claiming the chairmanship of the Democratic National Committee) in their own party. So much better to blame external others for the richly deserved near-collapse of their party at all levels.

Herr Trump humiliated and removed from office has led some of them down a disturbing path. As Gareth Porter has noted, “Many people who oppose Trump for other valid reasons have seized on the shaky Russian accusations because they represent the best possibility for ousting Trump from power.” It’s a big mistake. Porter reflects and warns:

But ignoring the motives and the dishonesty behind the campaign of leaks has far-reaching political implications. Not only does it help to establish a precedent for U.S. intelligence agencies to intervene in domestic politics, as happens in authoritarian regimes all over the world, it also strengthens the hand of the military and intelligence bureaucracies who are determined to maintain the New Cold War with Russia.

Those war bureaucracies view the conflict with Russia as key to the continuation of higher levels of military spending and the more aggressive NATO policy in Europe that has already generated a gusher of arms sales that benefits the Pentagon and its self-dealing officials.

Progressives in the anti-Trump movement are in danger of becoming an unwitting ally of those military and intelligence bureaucracies despite the fundamental conflict between their economic and political interests and the desires of people who care about peace, social justice and the environment

As Whitney wisely counsels, “Leftists should avoid the temptation of aligning themselves with groups and agencies that might help them achieve their short-term goal of removing Trump, but ultimately move them closer to a de facto 1984 lock-down police state. Misplaced support for the deep state Russophobes will only strengthen the national security state’s stranglehold on power. That’s not a path to victory, it’s a path to annihilation.”

Take to the streets (and highways, town plazas, fossil-fuel extraction sites, shop floors, assembly halls, airwaves and airports, etc.) against Trump, by all means. But also take to the streets against the grim neoliberal Democrats who opened the barn door for his dangerous presidency and against the unelected “deep state” interests working always to increase the ever-upward concentration of global capitalist wealth and power. We don’t want to bring Trump down just to help install an administration more properly suited to selling and otherwise advancing American empire, inequality and ecocide.

The question of "who would you rather be the world's super power" is so absurd that it comes from a Paul Verhoeven movie making fun the state of constant war we find ourselves into, or straight out of the we have to start winning wars again ass mouth president.

You support despots, have undermined democracy in various countries and support Islamic terrorists (most recently in Syria). Aside from your own state-sanctioned killing across the world you're arguably the biggest supporters of state-sponsored Sunni terrorism and a strong supporter of apartheid. That's not even mentioning the number of war crimes you've been responsible for on a global stage the past seven decades or so. Did you also believe you'd be greeted as liberators in Iraq? Should we talk about the amazing democracy you're promoting in Bahrain now? The the one in Eastern Saudi Arabia? The democracy you're currently promoted with cluster bombs and the world's worst famine in Yemen? Should we go into coups you helped creating and supporting in countries that tried nationalizing their oil? Does non-american lives just matter less to you, a fairly common mentality among many Americans? Did the intelligence agencies pay you to write this load of insulting pile of shit?

But you're right. America carries out it's adventures to promote the welfare and interest of America, no doubt. Anyone against it is turned to rubble and their society set back decades. How generous, praise the welfare and interest of the white man!
And the worst part is that the interest of America is just a handful of obscenely wealth individuals. Americans at large don't understand war because there's no conversation to be had about war. Iraq pre invasion was a grotesque war drumming from the corporate media where somewhere like 50:1 of the people on panels were pro war.

Amy Goodman says that if only we'd have an entire week were the cost of war was on full stop, Americans would stand up and say enough is enough. All of the inhumanity, children blown to pieces, entire communities devastated, parents of children killed, all of the people missing limbs, the destruction of basic needs like water and food supplies. Americans still cling to their idea of a standard bearing democracy, when all political philosophists for the past century have described its anti democratic practices , where Sheldon Wollin describes it as an Inverted Totalitarian system, where the symbols of democracy are still payed respect by hollowed out institutions that operate through the anonymity of corporations instead of the charismatic leader and how politics is just a mechanism for economics to control the population.
 
That's a massive false equivalentcy.

Ruissa not only has similar laws in place, but the public actively supports them, while here in the US they are actively being fought against.

No it is not, there are more people in prison in the USA than in Russia. You can not just ignore the facts.
 
Whataboutism is Putins favorite way of deflecting too. It effectively minimizes the perceived differences between a constitutional democracy and a dictatorship. Hell, even our own POTUS is using whataboutism to downplay the differences between the US and Russia nowadays. What, you think the US is so innocent?

The US has a lot of problems, including the way it treats it's own citizens. Wealth inequality, gender/minority disparities, etc all need to be addressed.

But compared to Russia? LMAO. Good luck becoming economically successful in Russia without Putins hand in your pocket. Good luck reporting on the atrocities the country commits without a free press. Good luck running for President against Putin without being murdered or framed.

It's hard, if not impossible to truly compare the US to Russia, because the simple fact is we don't know a lot about what Russia does. Having a stranglehold on the government/economy/press does wonders for not allowing bad stuff to come out. It's one of the reasons why Trump wants to discredit the press and any part of the government that opposes him.

This ^^^ fucking this.

Even if you distill it down to the dumbest of whataboutism: the I dont care if im being killed by US drones or Russian warplanes, they're both equally bad!!!! Even that argument falls apart to a logical comparison of both countries. Civilians killed by a US drone? Most likely reported on by a free press in the US, can contribute to a public backlash and free elections to attempt changes in policy. Civilian killed by Russian warplane? Oh well, no one in Russia even heard about you, and even if they did they can't change it because lol Putin president4life. Clearly one actor is a democracy with free press and has a lot more accountability to their voters. The other actor is a single corrupt dictator that censors the news, enforces state run propaganda, and assassinates or jails political dissidents. Umm, yeah.
 
No it is not, there are more people in prison in the USA than in Russia. You can not just ignore the facts.

I'm not ignoring the facts. The facts are that the American people are pushing for improvement while Russia continues to regress.

Comparing the US to Russia is like comparing a bruised apple to an apple with a worm in it.
 
Who do you want as your superpower: Russia or the US?
I will take the EU any day of the week instead of those 2.
US hegemony exists to maintain the global order, prevent unnecessary wars, and advance democracy, so.
Bwahahahaha this is unfucking real. I was 19 and naive once. I told my history professor that America power protect the world order and preserve stability, he laughed and called me naive. "Every super power in history use their power to further their own control and interest by pretending to be a beacon of good and stability factor, they kill, invade, and take control in the name of spreading their own ideology". He said something similar to this. You are literally and shamelessly parroting American propaganda machine. America was a huge destabilizing factor for many countries, and you should be ashamed of your self with jingoistic garbage by parroting American propaganda.
Also lol about advancing democracy, like installing Pinochet, trying to remove democratically elected Chavez, supporting the brutal and backward countries like the golf states.

To be clear, before you throw up your hands and walk away, I'm not saying everything we do is great! The US did all kinds of terrible stuff! It's still doing bad stuff! But I'm also saying that ultimately, the goal of the American military and intelligence forces is to promote the welfare of America, and the easiest way to do that is by just being mostly friendly to other countries and avoiding making them angry. Diplomacy is very efficient!

If you want to see what a bad actor looks like, you can actually do that. It's Russia! They've deployed their military and intelligence forces aggressively and scared and hurt other countries, and now they're being heavily sanctioned, their economy is cratering, and they're diplomatically isolated. That is what happens when everybody hates you because you're fucking with them too much! But that isn't happening with America. Even our enemies want to trade with us!
The Iraq war was America being honest, friendly and promoting democracy.

America is a big and very powerful country. But the world is full of power blocs that exist to help provide counterweights to powerful countries. If we were constantly stomping on everybody else, people would organize sanctions against us. If you think that isn't possible, just wait and see what happens after four years of Trump.

The fact that people instead look to us for military and economic support and want to get along with us, allow Americans to travel to their countries and do business there, etc., should be taken as pretty strong evidence that American hegemony is...mostly okay with everybody? Not literally everybody. Obviously there are some places we need to keep working on, in some cases because they think we're bad actors, in some cases because they're bad actors. But I think people really don't seem to grasp what would happen if America really was an international pariah. Nor do they understand what the Pax Americana actually prevented, or why it was put in place. I'll give you a hint: because there were two huge world wars, a massive genocide, and also everybody has nuclear weapons now.

Keeping the peace in Europe is not a minor accomplishment. It's historically uncommon, very challenging, and quite important to the general welfare most everybody in this thread enjoys. You can thank American hegemony for that! Or you can just wait and see what happens without it. I warn you, it's going to be a rerun.

Holy fucking shit. I can´t believe somebody wrote this garbage.

Americans to travel to their countries and do business
Yeah it´s not about the money, it´s about American people and businesses giving money away without any kind of economic benefit for both businesses and furthering American interest abroad.
 
This ^^^ fucking this.

Even if you distill it down to the dumbest of whataboutism: the I dont care if im being killed by US drones or Russian warplanes, they're both equally bad!!!! Even that argument falls apart to a logical comparison of both countries. Civilians killed by a US drone? Most likely reported on by a free press in the US, can contribute to a public backlash and free elections to attempt changes in policy.

You can stop right here. Without leaks there would be no information about Abu Ghuraib and without wikileaks the attack of the Apache on those journalists would have never been published. Yes, there is a bigger chance that there are reports, but nobody went to jail for warcrimes in Iraq. Some low level people in the prisons, but you can not talk about a free press or a justice system, if you just ignore things, because it makes you look bad.
 
I will take the EU any day of the week instead of those 2.

Sure so would I but that's not really what's the offer here in this specific fight...

Would you rather have a weak US and a Strong Russia or a Stronger US and a weaker Russia...

I mean if you want to use Iraq as a litmus test members of the Eu supported that fucked up war too.
 
You can stop right here. Without leaks there would be no information about Abu Ghuraib and without wikileaks the attack of the Apache on those journalists would have never been published. Yes, there is a bigger chance that there are reports, but nobody went to jail for warcrimes in Iraq. Some low level people in the prisons, but you can not talk about a free press or a justice system, if you just ignore things, because it makes you look bad.


Do you think Putin would have allowed press in Russia to report any of that?
 
I'm not ignoring the facts. The facts are that the American people are pushing for improvement while Russia continues to regress.

So when is the pushing starting? Because until now the US still has more people in prison than any other country on the planet.

Comparing the US to Russia is like comparing a bruised apple to an apple with a worm in it.

More a apple with a rotten core which looks very nice from the outside with an apple with a worm in it and some bruises.
 
So when is the pushing starting? Because until now the US still has more people in prison than any other country on the planet.



More a apple with a rotten core which looks very nice from the outside with an apple with a worm in it and some bruises.

I'm starting to feel bad for you at this point.
 
So when is the pushing starting? Because until now the US still has more people in prison than any other country on the planet.



More a apple with a rotten core which looks very nice from the outside with an apple with a worm in it and some bruises.

Thank you for answering my question
 
Do you think Putin would have allowed press in Russia to report any of that?

Where is the difference if either the military hides it, as they tried with the Apache or the press does not report it, because it makes somebody look bad. Self-censorship is not better than censorship, just something different. Still not a free press.

And there is also the problem to add, that a lot of the press is controlled by very few people.
 
So when is the pushing starting? Because until now the US still has more people in prison than any other country on the planet.

It's been going on? Do you not pay attention to any of the major protests by BLM and the recent waves of weed legalization we've been having? Vs Russia's killing of opposition politicians, harassment of journalists, and shutting down non-state media.
 
Where is the difference if either the military hides it, as they tried with the Apache or the press does not report it, because it makes somebody look bad. Self-censorship is not better than censorship, just something different. Still not a free press.

JFC, there's a mile of difference between the government keeping something secret, and the government dictating exactly what can be told to the public at all times. You are being intentionally dense if you do not know the difference.
 
Where is the difference if either the military hides it, as they tried with the Apache or the press does not report it, because it makes somebody look bad. Self-censorship is not better than censorship, just something different. Still not a free press.

Russia is doing both fam. They own the press.
 
No it is not, there are more people in prison in the USA than in Russia. You can not just ignore the facts.
There's more people incarcerated in America than the rest of the world combined.

The death of the humanities is a reason why people are only able to see violence through the mobster state that are the Russian oligarchs as opposed to the more sophisticated and effective methods the US employs. I forgot what the exact number it was, but the amount of writers in prison exceeded every other occupation by obscene numbers because the system is scared of ideas that empower people.
 
Where is the difference if either the military hides it, as they tried with the Apache or the press does not report it, because it makes somebody look bad. Self-censorship is not better than censorship, just something different. Still not a free press.

And there is also the problem to add, that a lot of the press is controlled by very few people.

Sigh, come on.
 
There's more people incarcerated in America than the rest of the world combined.
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I mean that's so laughably false that don't even know where to begin.


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US is yes on top but literally just Russia and China combined is more than the US...
 
It's been going on? Do you not pay attention to any of the major protests by BLM and the recent waves of weed legalization we've been having? Vs Russia's killing of opposition politicians, harassment of journalists, and shutting down non-state media.

BLM had no impact, it showed how unjust the system is and gave it a face, but the system is not changing because of that. The system is running like before, people are still in jail or getting shot. The same goes for weed legalization which still does not change the racism in the system or the effects of the system. Weed legalization does nothing for you if one parking ticket can bankrupt you. A minor thing can still get you in jail or make your existence a living hell.

Again Russia is terrible, but just because it looks cleaner the US in not any better if you are minority or born in the wrong place. And are you really that happy, that you are just a little bit better then the Russians. What about a comparison with Britian, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland.
 
BLM had no impact, it showed how unjust the system is and gave it a face, but the system is not changing because of that. The system is running like before, people are still in jail or getting shot. The same goes for weed legalization which still does not change the racism in the system or the effects of the system. Weed legalization does nothing for you if one parking ticket can bankrupt you. A minor thing can still get you in jail or make your existence a living hell.

Again Russia is terrible, but just because it looks cleaner the US in not any better if you are minority or born in the wrong place. And are you really that happy, that you are just a little bit better then the Russians. What about a comparison with Britian, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland.

What do those countries have to do with a fight between the US and people doing Russia's dirty work?

And you know what helped all the resistance you mention not having as much of an impact? The election of Donald Trump, which was supported and fought for by Wikileaks....
 
I mean that's so laughably false that don't even know where to begin.




US is yes on top but literally just Russia and China combined is more than the US...

And I seriously doubt China or Russia include any secret gulags where they stash political dissidents in those numbers. Assuming they're even accurate since you know, the state controls every facet of info going in and out of the country and can lie about any stats to make themselves look better too.

Oh and bonus! China will harvest your organs against your will if you're a prisoner: http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/23/asia/china-organ-harvesting/
Fun stuff.
 
BLM had no impact, it showed how unjust the system is and gave it a face, but the system is not changing because of that. The system is running like before, people are still in jail or getting shot. The same goes for weed legalization which still does not change the racism in the system or the effects of the system. Weed legalization does nothing for you if one parking ticket can bankrupt you. A minor thing can still get you in jail or make your existence a living hell.

Again Russia is terrible, but just because it looks cleaner the US in not any better if you are minority or born in the wrong place. And are you really that happy, that you are just a little bit better then the Russians. What about a comparison with Britian, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland.
BLM had no impact.

Parking tickets are the same as getting busted for pot.

Mother of god.
 
What do those countries have to do with a fight between the US and people doing Russia's dirty work?

And you know what helped all the resistance you mention not having an impact? The election of Donald Trump, which was supported and fought for by Wikileaks....

Deflecting my whataboutism? TIME TO JUST THROW YOU MORE WHATABOUTISM!
 
Sure so would I but that's not really what's the offer here in this specific fight...

Would you rather have a weak US and a Strong Russia or a Stronger US and a weaker Russia...
I am lucky that i don´t have to choose either. Strong US has destabilized the Middle East, has unwavering support to Israel, and cooperate with American giant businesses to spy on people. Yeah Putin is a brutal dictator that probably wants to re-create the Soviet Union. He kills/impressions his political opponents and invade countries. I am not choosing either.
I mean if you want to use Iraq as a litmus test members of the Eu supported that fucked up war too.

Not all EU members supported the war.
 
What do those countries have to do with a fight between the US and people doing Russia's dirty work?

And you know what helped all the resistance you mention not having an impact? The election of Donald Trump, which was supported and fought for by Wikileaks....

Isn't it more showing the world the dirt in the US? It is not like the US was clean and now is dirty, because of this. It's just more visible now.
 
I mean that's so laughably false that don't even know where to begin.




US is yes on top but literally just Russia and China combined is more than the US...
You're right, meant to say 25%. Which doesn't undermine the point of how pervasive the American prison system is.
 
There is no alternative to Wikileaks.
No mainstream news organization would have released this, don't act like MSNBC owned by Comcast would have.
Wikileaks remains vital at keeping people informed.

It's true. Mainstream media typically don't engage in reckless, unvetted dumps of information that do more harm than good by doxing people and endangering field officers.
 
I am lucky that i don´t have to choose either. Strong US has destabilized the Middle East, has unwavering support to Israel, and cooperate with American giant businesses to spy on people. Yeah Putin is a brutal dictator that probably wants to re-create the Soviet Union. He kills/impressions his political opponents and invade countries. I am not choosing either.


Not all EU members supported the war.

By endorsing Wikileaks you are though...
 
BLM had no impact, it showed how unjust the system is and gave it a face, but the system is not changing because of that. The system is running like before, people are still in jail or getting shot. The same goes for weed legalization which still does not change the racism in the system or the effects of the system. Weed legalization does nothing for you if one parking ticket can bankrupt you. A minor thing can still get you in jail or make your existence a living hell.

Again Russia is terrible, but just because it looks cleaner the US in not any better if you are minority or born in the wrong place. And are you really that happy, that you are just a little bit better then the Russians. What about a comparison with Britian, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland.

You consistently display profound ignorance of an impressively broad range of topics. Your blindness regarding qualitative comparisons between the two countries is nothing but privilege. You can afford to be completely wrong.
 
Isn't it more showing the world the dirt in the US? It is not like the US was clean and now is dirty, because of this. It's just more visible now.
Hmm...sounds familiar.

"There are a lot of killers. You think our country's so innocent?"
 
Isn't it more showing the world the dirt in the US? It is not like the US was clean and now is dirty, because of this. It's just more visible now.

You didn't answer my question again...

And no Wikileaks is selectively choosing things to leak based on what helps Russia, that's what they did throughout the election... Like Wikileaks both supports the worst parts of the United States (Trump and co) and Russia...
 
Man, the US is way worse than Russia.
I mean look at how Obama is still in power and had Trump killed in front of Congress and the investigation turned into nothing!
Even worse, we have data that shows that Bams's friends are fleecing the American people to Panama.
And on top of that they own the press and all.
The next World Cup is going to be shite in the US next year!
 
BLM had no impact, it showed how unjust the system is and gave it a face, but the system is not changing because of that. The system is running like before, people are still in jail or getting shot. The same goes for weed legalization which still does not change the racism in the system or the effects of the system. Weed legalization does nothing for you if one parking ticket can bankrupt you. A minor thing can still get you in jail or make your existence a living hell.

Again Russia is terrible, but just because it looks cleaner the US in not any better if you are minority or born in the wrong place. And are you really that happy, that you are just a little bit better then the Russians. What about a comparison with Britian, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Switzerland.

Your are completely ignorant on how activists have impacted the conversations were having and the policies being proposed.

The UK, Germany, Sweden, and Switzerland are better countries than the US & Russia in most areas, but that doesn't make Russia equal to the US or better than it.

Also, you basically admitted to whataboutism in this post. Enjoy your dictatorship and organic potatoes while you continue to harass, lockup, and kill members of the LBGT community to the sounds of RT and Assange tell you that everything in the world is the dirty West's fault.
 
BLM had no impact.

Parking tickets are the same as getting busted for pot.

Mother of god.

Are you American? How much do you know about your own country, how parking tickets or other small penalties are now destroying the life of minorities. How police forces like in Ferguson are targeting black people way more for minor offenses. How the system with public defenders are making people go to jail for something small, just because they can not afford those tickets or fees. The justice department has made a report about that, it was mind blowing.

Yes, this looks all so nice and clean and there is so much law, but this is hell if you are in this system.
 
We need wikileaks.

Someone needs to keep the CIA, FBI and whatever other American intelligence places in check.

They're all as crooked as each other, not sure why "Russias agenda" is the big bad here.
 
Are you American? How much do you know about your own country, how parking tickets or other small penalties are now destroying the life of minorities. How police forces like in Ferguson are targeting black people way more for minor offenses. How the system with public defenders are making people go to jail for something small, just because they can not afford those tickets or fees. The justice department has made a report about that, it was mind blowing.

Yes, this looks all so nice and clean and there is so much law, but this is hell if you are in this system.

Is your experience of America limited to news reports and TV segments?
 
There is no alternative to Wikileaks.
No mainstream news organization would have released this, don't act like MSNBC owned by Comcast would have.
Wikileaks remains vital at keeping people informed.

Why wouldn't they have released it? If it's in the public interest and all. Again, there's plenty of evidence that the mainstream media just loves to publish and cover leaks. For example, they cover Wikileaks ad nauseam! Shouldn't they be shutting them out?
 
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