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FBI UFO Memo That Puzzles Me
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Death Dealer said:
[Each one occupied by three bodies of human shape, but only 3 foot tall, dressed in a metallic cloth of very fine texture.]
I dont know why but the image of shiny dwarf bondage porn came to my mind.
On topic I agree there is strange things mentioned in these types of documents but in these days its so easy to fake or take out of context.
I would be surprised if there wasn't atleast one more intelligent species in the milky way alone given how many stars there are. But to think that we are being visited by them is much harder to believe given the distances they would have to travel. Even if they were somewhat local.
I sometimes wonder if more information could be gleaned from the negative data space, or taking what we know and what we don't know and correlating to fill in the spaces. Like, aerodynamically flying ufos versus the physical law breaking ones.(ie. why would an alien need to worry about high Gee manuevers when they can travel light years to get here? Roswell UFO a different type? Would someone make up that detail? Mothership/fighter scout type thing?) The hypothetical circumstances under which a law of physics might be circumvented, ie, some kind of high energy field literally separating the ufo from our space-time or at least it's consequences.
Most of the time we get stuck on logic like "why would they be here? why would they come here? How?" That's a dead end. Either our logic is limited or life is often illogical, but trying to figure that one out is usually a non-starter.
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Joates said:
I've seen a few episodes of it. The last one was pretty embarrassing however. Why
astroturfing
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sullytao said:
our galaxy is old. there could be a civilization a BILLION years ahead of us, or more. how can we even begin to imagine what they can do? they could be in our heads right now and we wouldn't know.
Death Dealer
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Ancient aliens is horrible IMO.
History Channel's old show UFO Files was much better.
History Channel's old show UFO Files was much better.
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Death Dealer said:
National Geographic have done a few good ones recently
Death Dealer said:
I disagree, AA is the fun-filled "what if" show, that you can take it from whatever viewpoint you want and enjoy it.
If you're willing to say aliens exist in the first place, Id say it would be better to just keep an open mind all around. Theres not really much reason aliens couldn't have visited us in the ancient past. Especially if they are now.
FreedomFrisbee
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Guys, guys! The FBI is in this thread trying to de-rail it!
Don't let the truth be stifled!
Don't let the truth be stifled!
Neuromancer
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Yeah some people feel threatened when presented with the unknown and strike back the only way they know how, with ridicule.Qwomo said:Sums up this thread.
That said it is a pretty funny gif.
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Furret said:
It's Lance Corporal Boiled Egg from Shooting Stars.
"But he's wooed every girl in the country, what can his secret be?"
"They say it's his curious dance."
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Qwomo said:
What does 'UFO nut' mean, and who are you pertaining that to?
Neuromancer
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if you aren't interested in the subject matter there's no reason to come into a thread and shit it up with insults.Qwomo said:
Neuromancer
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When you call someone a nut, that's an insult. When you disingenuously suggest someone is confused, that's also an insult.Qwomo said:
Joel Was Right
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This is a bump.
I have a question. Hoover was sending out letters/memos in the 60s and 70s in response to public enquiries about UFOs stating that they "are not and never have been within the investigative jurisdiction of the FBI". What does 'investigative jurisdiction' mean in this context? Clearly they were interested in the topic as these memos and thousands of pages of released documents show. Some have interpreted Hoovers claims, in hindsight, a lie. But in terms of federal agencies, is there a distinction between collecting information on Z topic and not having 'jurisdiction' over it?
I have a question. Hoover was sending out letters/memos in the 60s and 70s in response to public enquiries about UFOs stating that they "are not and never have been within the investigative jurisdiction of the FBI". What does 'investigative jurisdiction' mean in this context? Clearly they were interested in the topic as these memos and thousands of pages of released documents show. Some have interpreted Hoovers claims, in hindsight, a lie. But in terms of federal agencies, is there a distinction between collecting information on Z topic and not having 'jurisdiction' over it?
Jason Raize '75 - '04 said:
If I were to guess Hoover was probably thinking "in the event that there were actual aliens we would not have jurisdiction" whereas if there was a terrestrial explanation such as, for example, an experimental soviet spy plane the US was not aware of they would.
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Gaborn said:
Shick Brithouse said:
I should make it clear: Hoover was responding to letters from the public asking him for his opinion on the topic, specifically on whether they were real or not.
From the released documents/memos, cited in the OP for example, "Colonel L. H. Forney "indicated that it was his attitude that inasmuch as it has been established that the flying disks are not the result of any Army or Navy experiments, the matter is of interest to the FBI. Hoover then wrote that he wanted "full access to discs recovered", referencing one example where the Army "grabbed it" before them.
Of course this 'no jurisdiction' statement came decades after his search for "access to discs recovered", he could have learnt in between that timespan the FBI had no clearance. But this of course contradicts the statements made by the named Generals and Colonels in these memos citing that the agency did have a role in the investigations.
I suppose if he had been completely honest, and had stated that they do have files on it - try to investigate it but the military ultimately deny them access to discs (the status quo would claim they were weather balloons), it would suggest to the public that the military were indeed hiding somethings, contradictory to their statements otherwise.
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Shick Brithouse said:
PM'd
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astroturfing said:
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Salazar said:
Well to be fair there's also a lot of laws dealing with sodomy....and we all know most of GAF has a better chance of seeing a UFO then particpating in this act.
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