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FCC chairman says net neutrality was a mistake - Here's what you can do to fight back

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So Pai today said that the FCC is now "on track" to return to a lighter style of regulation.

Pai’s argument is that internet providers were doing just fine under the old rules and that the new ones have hurt investment. Both of those points are highly debatable — there’s little competition in the wired broadband market, and Consumerist investigated the investment claims in early 2016 and found that internet providers were estimated to spend more in the coming year.

In other words, he's saying what we already know about him. Now, I'm not gonna post and leave this thread with a quote from the article and leave you all here to whine and fearmonger about it.

I'm going to give you actual helpful tips on what can be done, why it works, and how you can do it.

First off, it's pretty clear to me on what he's planning to do.

In June of 2016, a federal appeals court upheld the current net neutrality rules. This decision was based off of evidence of how much the broadband industry changed over the last decade, which makes it difficult for republicans to argue for a rollback.

“Just a year or two after having gone through this entire fact-driven, 400-page justification of why broadband is a Title II service and why net neutrality is important, to turn around two years later and say, ‘Actually, we were wrong about that’ — that’s a whole other area of legal risk,” one FCC official said.

What Pai is trying to do, is to find that argument. He wants to create a scenario where net neutrality doesn't feel that important to everybody and the backlash is erased. This is evident by all the decisions that he's made in the last month. Stopping the zero rating investigations, rolling back the transparency for smaller ISPs, etc.

Paying attention to all these little decisions will be key in the upcoming fight. So what can you do?

Right now, the important thing is to maintain awareness on the local level. That is, calling them out at every bad move they make, calling your senators, and overall staying active about the whole issue and not forgetting about it.

Another thing to do is to donate to digital advocacy groups like the EFF. Should things be taken to court, much like the ACLU, they will most certainly be of good help.

Also, for them to get rid of Title II, which underpins net neutrality, they are required to propose new rules as well, which takes months. After that, there's a comment period that spans two months.

When that happens, that's when all hell needs to break loose. All of what I stated before will become more important than ever at that point. That's when we're going to have to fight tooth and nail.

Remember that the activism and protests are working. Right now, the GOP is scared shitless at all their angry constituents at the town halls about things like the Obamacare issue and Trump's ties to Russia. Arizona just killed a bill that would have made essentially made protesting illegal after widespread criticism.

In times like these, it's easy to get very depressed about all this, but that's why it's important to look at the power that the people have and realize that pressure works and it needs to be kept up more than ever.

So don't give up the fight. It's only just gotten started.
 
2018: How weird, CNN is chugging but Breitbart is like, mad fast. Must be my connection.

People say this but I feel like this would end up backfiring a LOT if this was actually the scenario.

It'd basically just end up blowing up in their faces with more people becoming aware of their bullshit. I could see people DDoS'ing them or something. Protests over racist, misleading, and untruthful articles would skyrocket and only increase activism and make them MORE afraid.
 
Too bad there's no way all of the porn sites could get together and organize a shutdown to protest Ajit Pai and the other assholes trying to ruin the Internet.

A month without Internet porn would drive most of the country insane.
 

Sulik2

Member
OP you are mistaken if you think the GOP cares about complaints. They are at close to a 90% approval rating among their constituency right now with Trump. Their base loves them. Unless they lose seats in the midterm they don't care. All the complaints in the world don't matter when ISPs are lining Pai's pockets. Bribe him more then the ISPs can and you might actually make a difference. A bunch of calls won't mean crap right now.
 
OP you are mistaken if you think the GOP cares about complaints. They are at close to a 90% approval rating among their constituency right now. Unless they lose seats in the midterm they don't care. All the complaints in the world don't matter when ISPs are lining Pai's pockets. Bribe him more then the ISPs can and you might actually make a difference. A bunch of calls won't mean crap right now.

I never said that they "cared", I said that they were getting afraid.

Them losing seats in the midterm is going to be another key thing to work towards. People need to keep getting pissed off at their bullshit. Where'd you get that 90% thing from anyway? I imagine that coming from mostly red states, sure. But it doesn't change the fact that a LOT of people were pissed off by their behaviour at their town halls.

The bribery thing is also a legit concern, and another thing to call him out on. I'm wondering if the tech companies for net neutrality like Silicon Valley will be able to do anything on that front.

Whatever you do though, don't say that calls don't matter. Because they do. If you stay silent you let them walk all over you which is NOT what is needed right now. Every voice helps.
 

LakeEarth

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Them losing seats in 2018 is like the only thing that'll make the GOP turn on Trump. Not the anger of their constitutents, nor the terrible press or possibly being in bed with the Russians. It just has to affect them, their careers, their money, their power. Which means they aren't going to turn on him for quite a while.
 
Them losing seats in 2018 is like the only thing that'll make the GOP turn on Trump. Not the anger of their constitutents, nor the terrible press or possibly being in bed with the Russians. It just has to affect them, their careers, their money, their power. Which means they aren't going to turn on him for quite a while.

Too bad would be Democrats are too busy fighting with each other along with too many relatively safe seats in play for the GOP to really lose any ground.
 

Dr.Acula

Banned
The EPA wants to know what comes out of your tail pipe, regulation.

They want to know what comes out of a factory's water pipe, that's regulation.

The FDA wants to look at what's in your food, another regulation.

ISPs are told that they cannot regulate what's going through their series of tubes, and now that is regulation? Fuck off. If dank memes caused global warming net neutrality would be the #1 cause for Republicans.
 
People say this but I feel like this would end up backfiring a LOT if this was actually the scenario.

It'd basically just end up blowing up in their faces with more people becoming aware of their bullshit. I could see people DDoS'ing them or something. Protests over racist, misleading, and untruthful articles would skyrocket and only increase activism and make them MORE afraid.

The GOP and their corporate/oligarch/Russian overlords are going after education and the Internet and you think that's going to hurt them? Expect far less resistance if they control those two things, not more.
 

Dr.Acula

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People say this but I feel like this would end up backfiring a LOT if this was actually the scenario.

It'd basically just end up blowing up in their faces with more people becoming aware of their bullshit. I could see people DDoS'ing them or something. Protests over racist, misleading, and untruthful articles would skyrocket and only increase activism and make them MORE afraid.

https://arstechnica.com/information...zon-and-comcast-has-been-dropping-for-months/

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People on Verizon and Comcast had their speeds for Netflix killed, and while a lot of tech people were ringing the alarm, for many it was simple, "gee, wonder why Netflix sucks now?"
 
This is how they beat you. You fight and scratch and claw till you actually get them to do what is right.

A couple of years later they push it back so you have to do it all over again.

They will keep doing it till the numbers drop out of sheer apathy.
 
The GOP and their corporate/oligarch/Russian overlords are going after education and the Internet and you think that's going to hurt them? Expect far less resistance if they control those two things, not more.

???

This statement of your doesn't make any sense. You think all of this is gonna be a snap of the fingers and suddenly everyone becomes stupid?

I'm aware that there's a LOT of stupid people in America right now but there's a lot of really smart people as well who are doing the right thing. Don't act like they're all going to go away.

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People on Verizon and Comcast had their speeds for Netflix killed, and while a lot of tech people were ringing the alarm, for many it was simple, "gee, wonder why Netflix sucks now?"

Yes, that's how it was for many. And it's that reasoning that got people's attention of the fight, and got them to spam the FCC.

This is how they beat you. You fight and scratch and claw till you actually get them to do what is right.

A couple of years later they push it back so you have to do it all over again.

They will keep doing it till the numbers drop out of sheer apathy.

And it's our job to maintain those numbers so we don't fall victim to apathy.

People, I'm trying to get you energized here. Look at every protest and town hall that goes on. That's what we need right now.
 

randome

Member
There's no way that we will ever get net neutrality. How often do consumers not get screwed over and end up paying more for literally any service? As long as companies can find ways to milk more money from consumers they will. And it'll suck for everyone but only affect poor and middle class people.
 
There's no way that we will ever get net neutrality. How often do consumers not get screwed over and end up paying more for literally any service? As long as companies can find ways to milk more money from consumers they will. And it'll suck for everyone but only affect poor and middle class people.

But in order for this to work, they have to do it in ways that consumers find acceptable enough to pay. If a vast majority of consumers don't find it acceptable, they rage. When they rage, they don't buy. When they don't buy, companies lose money.

With the way things are now, them finding those ways is not going to be easy. Which is why it's important to call them out at every turn to keep people energized.
 

lazygecko

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If the worst case scenarios do come true, do Google and other tech giants reliant on an open internet have any contingency plans for alternative internet access, like a massive expansion of Google Fiber or that free Wifi initiative from Musk(?)? It would be funny to see them disrupting the living fuck out of the pitiful US telecom market.
 

Kthulhu

Member
If the worst case scenarios do come true, do Google and other tech giants reliant on an open internet have any contingency plans for alternative internet access, like a massive expansion of Google Fiber or that free Wifi initiative from Musk(?)? It would be funny to see them disrupting the living fuck out of the pitiful US telecom market.

Hell no. That stuff takes forever to implement.
 

pelicansurf

Needs a Holiday on Gallifrey
But in order for this to work, they have to do it in ways that consumers find acceptable enough to pay. If a vast majority of consumers don't find it acceptable, they rage. When they rage, they don't buy. When they don't buy, companies lose money.

With the way things are now, them finding those ways is not going to be easy. Which is why it's important to call them out at every turn to keep people energized.
How do you fight this though? Not pay for internet? Switch to what?
 
How do you fight this though? Not pay for internet? Switch to what?

Really consider the scope of this. If millions upon millions of people are suddenly without internet and unable to switch to anything else, ISPs will inevitably lose money.

In order for ISPs to get people to go with whatever shitty plan they want to do, they have to do it in a way that makes it so that consumers will accept and buy it.

If their plan only makes prices skyrocket and is blatantly anti-consumer, more people don't buy. Simple as that.
 

Peltz

Member
Really consider the scope of this. If millions upon millions of people are suddenly without internet and unable to switch to anything else, ISPs will inevitably lose money.

In order for ISPs to get people to go with whatever shitty plan they want to do, they have to do it in a way that makes it so that consumers will accept and buy it.

If their plan only makes prices skyrocket and is blatantly anti-consumer, more people don't buy. Simple as that.

People are not going to stop buying internet. Those telecom companies will have people by the balls.
 
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