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[-COOLIO-]

So everyone that smokes dies a slow and painful death? And everyone that doesnt smoke.. lives forever or dies peacefully in their sleep?

if you smoke your more likely to have a slow painful death due to lung cancer, yes.

 

[JGS]

If someone in this day and age needs a warning label to tell them that smoking is bad for them, there's something wrong with that. Whatever, if people want to smoke let them smoke. All of the resources that are poured into the half-ass measures they focus on at this point are not worth it.

Tobacco is paying for them so sky's the limit!

Pretty much. Long term danger is smoking, short term danger is alcohol.

What's the short term danger of alcohol? Poisoning?

 

[DR2K]

People who smoke are obviously unaware of the risks and these pictures will definitely get them to stop.

 

[Alucrid]

People who smoke are obviously unaware of the risks and these pictures will definitely get them to stop.

No. I'm going to keep smoking because I don't want to look like a bald, chubby, white guy with a goatee.

 

[mckmas8808]

UK has these for a while now.

After reading what others say in other countries, maybe this isn't so bad. :lol

 

[Lambtron]

What's the short term danger of alcohol? Poisoning?

DUI.

 

[joeyjoejoeshabadoo]

What a waste of time and money. Smokers are not going to be swayed because of a picture. Cigarette packs already give you doom and gloom warnings of death and cancer and people still smoke.

 

[water_wendi]

Tobacco is paying for them so sky's the limit!

What's the short term danger of alcohol? Poisoning?

Car crashes?

 

[necron99]

Some of the proposed labels.

Is it me or does it look like they omitted the second half of this one, like, " But it wont help with your hate of minoritys." Or maybe it just should say, " Dont worry mortals, I-QUIT-MAN is here!!!!!!!!

 

[-COOLIO-]

DUI.

i honestly thing a 3x3cm image of a car crash with a disclaimer would be a cool thing to have on the back of beer bottles.

 

[JoeBoy101]

:lol at those who think this will do a smidgeon of good.

As paraphrased by Denis Leary, its a drug, smokers are addicted. You could make the whole package the warning. You could put the cigarettes in a black package, put a skull and crossbones on the front, call them 'Tumors' and smokers will be lined up around the corner waiting to buy them.

As for those not-addicted, are there really kids or people trying them out there who are ignorant of their effects? Not purposefully or willfully ignorant, but have never heard of the health cost of cigarettes?

 

[Simon Belmont]

So everyone that smokes dies a slow and painful death? And everyone that doesnt smoke.. lives forever or dies peacefully in their sleep?

Cigarettes directly kill more than 50% of the people that smoke them. Not to mention some other people who just happen to live with a smoker. Sure, they don't kill every single person that uses them, but then again not every person with HIV dies of AIDS.

My bigger issue is that you don't get anything out of smoking. It doesn't calm your nerves (it actually raises your heart rate). All it does is scratch the itch that it creates.

 

[reaver18]

It's funny because all my friends started smoking in high school and all of them want to stop so bad now but don't have the willpower, a few have quit. I was the smart guy that always denied cigs and just sat there while everyone smoked their cancer sticks.

 

[-COOLIO-]

What a waste of time and money. Smokers are not going to be swayed because of a picture. Cigarette packs already give you doom and gloom warnings of death and cancer and people still smoke.

it might not make a huge splash but i bet itd turn some people off in some cases.

also, i still dont understand how this is a big waste of time and money, ink would have to be printed on the cardboard regardless.

 

[Alucrid]

We just hand everyone e-cigarettes.

 

[Simon Belmont]

:lol at those who think this will do a smidgeon of good.

As paraphrased by Denis Leary, its a drug, smokers are addicted. You could make the whole package the warning. You could put the cigarettes in a black package, put a skull and crossbones on the front, call them 'Tumors' and smokers will be lined up around the corner waiting to buy them.

As for those not-addicted, are there really kids or people trying them out there who are ignorant of their effects? Not purposefully or willfully ignorant, but have never heard of the health cost of cigarettes?

Yes and no. I eventually quit smoking because the health risks got to me. It won't work for everyone, but it will work for some people.

 

[JoeBoy101]

it might not make a huge splash but i bet itd turn some people off in some cases.

also, i still dont understand how this is a big waste of time and money, ink would have to be printed on the cardboard regardless.

Time and resources were spent just to come up with this idea. Now, its not necessarily a huge cost, but I question any reasonable kind of effectiveness compared to the cost of them. How have the ads worked for the packs pictured in Thailand, for example?

Yes and no. I eventually quit smoking because the health risks got to me. It won't work for everyone, but it will work for some people.

First off, cool on you for quitting. Its not that I'm throwing a hissy about anti-tobacco advertising or warning labels. I'm not, really. Its not restricting anybody from smoking them so smokers can deal with it. My issue is I really think they are of questionable worth. The health risks eventually got to you, but is that because you became well-informed or because you got scared of the risk after smoking for a while?

See I just don't see these ads as being the deciding factor for any significant number of people.

 

[water_wendi]

Cigarettes directly kill more than 50% of the people that smoke them. Not to mention some other people who just happen to live with a smoker. Sure, they don't kill every single person that uses them, but then again not every person with HIV dies of AIDS.

Directly kills 50%, eh?

My bigger issue is that you don't get anything out of smoking. It doesn't calm your nerves (it actually raises your heart rate). All it does is scratch the itch that it creates.

Dont tell me what i get or dont get from smoking. And bullshit it doesnt calm me down :lol

 

[Steve Youngblood]

What a waste of time and money. Smokers are not going to be swayed because of a picture. Cigarette packs already give you doom and gloom warnings of death and cancer and people still smoke.

The notion is that a graphic will not be as easily ignored. No, someone isn't going to take a look at graphic images and go "Wait, hold the phone, this could happen? Wow, I had no idea. I quit!" However, it could deter the ignorant youth, it could deter the the casual individual who smokes when they drink into thinking about the ramifications they assumed didn't apply to them, and it could possibly aid ever so slightly more in deterring even the addict.

And I come to you from the perspective of an on-again, off-again smoker.

 

[-COOLIO-]

:lol at those who think this will do a smidgeon of good.

As paraphrased by Denis Leary, its a drug, smokers are addicted. You could make the whole package the warning. You could put the cigarettes in a black package, put a skull and crossbones on the front, call them 'Tumors' and smokers will be lined up around the corner waiting to buy them.

As for those not-addicted, are there really kids or people trying them out there who are ignorant of their effects? Not purposefully or willfully ignorant, but have never heard of the health cost of cigarettes?

most addicted are a lost cause, but some will want to quit, some are social smokers, some have just started. this could maybe, possibly, get a few of those types to second guess opening a new pack.

i feel it doesnt hurt to try, it's just a declaimer, it's not costing tax dollars or anything like that as far as i can tell. besides, every other country must be doing it for a reason.

 

[JGS]

Car crashes?

Well, that assumes people drink to get drunk and then to drive. A DUI is a benefit and prevents death. Besides, alcohol's not killing you [and others], physics is. Heck, if not for the driving dangers, watching drunk people all day long would be entertaining.

Cigarettes on the other hand are the thing that's killing you long term. Alcohol can kill long term too.

I would think the point of the wearning is to prevent addiction rather than end it.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Time and resources were spent just to come up with this idea. Now, its not necessarily a huge cost, but I question any reasonable kind of effectiveness compared to the cost of them. How have the ads worked for the packs pictured in Thailand, for example?

well it's in thailand, uk, canada and probably a lot of other places, i dont think a alot of resources were spent in coming up with the idea since its just a copy-paste job. if it's so wide spread, it probably has some kind of semi-siginicant effect anyhow.

 

[water_wendi]

This cancer crusade thing is such bullshit. Sure smoking can cause cancer but if people were really concerned with stopping cancer and relieving the burden on a healthcare system they wouldnt stop at smoking. All non-smokers are fine with the anti-smoking crusade but how about grilled foods? Would the same people be for taxing grills and grilled items? Graphic photos on your KC Masterpiece BBQ bottles?

 

[disappeared]

We've had these in Canada for a while now.

Yeah this ain't anything new.

 

[-COOLIO-]

Directly kills 50%, eh?

indirectly, are you really going to try and insinuate that smoking isnt extremely hazardous to health?

 

[Alucrid]

This cancer crusade thing is such bullshit. Sure smoking can cause cancer but if people were really concerned with stopping cancer and relieving the burden on a healthcare system they wouldnt stop at smoking. All non-smokers are fine with the anti-smoking crusade but how about grilled foods? Would the same people be for taxing grills and grilled items? Graphic photos on your KC Masterpiece BBQ bottles?

This is the first time I've heard grilled food causes cancer. Plus, I use sweet baby ray's.

 

[jett]

it won't stop them...

they'll take the pack of cigarettes to the grave

It's about dissuading young people from wanting to start smoking.

 

[Simon Belmont]

Directly kills 50%, eh?


Dont tell me what i get or dont get from smoking. And bullshit it doesnt calm me down :lol

Male and female smokers lose an average of 13.2 and 14.5 years of life, respectively.

According to the results of a 50 year study of 34,439 male British doctors, at least half of all life-long smokers die earlier as a result of smoking.

Smokers are three times as likely to die before the age of 60 or 70 as non-smokers.

In the United States alone, cigarette smoking and exposure to tobacco smoke results in at least 443,000 premature deaths annually.

"In the United States alone, tobacco kills the equivalent of three jumbo jets full of people crashing every day, with no survivors, 365 days of the year." -ABC's Peter Jennings. On a worldwide basis, it's 1 jumbo jet per hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year. -WHO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_of_tobacco

Argue the personal liberty angle all you want, but the science on the Health effects of tobacco is pretty much settled in everybody but the tobacco companies minds.

And this isn't a difficult concept here. It calms you down because feeding your addiction while you're in withdrawal is going to relieve the symptoms.

 

[-COOLIO-]

This cancer crusade thing is such bullshit. Sure smoking can cause cancer but if people were really concerned with stopping cancer and relieving the burden on a healthcare system they wouldnt stop at smoking. All non-smokers are fine with the anti-smoking crusade but how about grilled foods? Would the same people be for taxing grills and grilled items? Graphic photos on your KC Masterpiece BBQ bottles?

eating junk all the time is a shitty lifestyle choice, but the dude who eats fast-food 3-4 times a week is probably still going to have higher survivability than an addicted smoker who eats healthy choices. that's a guess though.

 

[gimmmick]

 

[Simon Belmont]

This cancer crusade thing is such bullshit. Sure smoking can cause cancer but if people were really concerned with stopping cancer and relieving the burden on a healthcare system they wouldnt stop at smoking. All non-smokers are fine with the anti-smoking crusade but how about grilled foods? Would the same people be for taxing grills and grilled items? Graphic photos on your KC Masterpiece BBQ bottles?

Grilled food doesn't give Cancer to 50% of the people who eat grilled food.

 

[Axion22]

 

[Steve Youngblood]

This is the first time I've heard grilled food causes cancer.

I don't think the evidence is as conclusive, but yes there are many reports of grilled foods being potentially carcinogenic. In particular, I think the combination of charcoal grills coupled with fatty meats that flare up lots of smoke (like ground chuck) are noted as culprits.

 

[JGS]

This cancer crusade thing is such bullshit. Sure smoking can cause cancer but if people were really concerned with stopping cancer and relieving the burden on a healthcare system they wouldnt stop at smoking. All non-smokers are fine with the anti-smoking crusade but how about grilled foods? Would the same people be for taxing grills and grilled items? Graphic photos on your KC Masterpiece BBQ bottles?

I don't grill a pack of chickens a day.

I've also learned to avoid inhaling the smoke rather than sucking it up.

Personally I couldn't care less if someone wants to die a horrible death from lung cancer or some other horrible ailment. Smokers do not have my sympathies unless they're family and even then they have to hear me tell them how stupid they were.

However, I agree that people aren't concerned enough which is why smokers should pay more for healthcare or pay a tax on UHC plans.

 

[Alucrid]

I don't think the evidence is as conclusive, but yes there are many reports of grilled foods being potentially carcinogenic. In particular, I think the combination of charcoal grills coupled with fatty meats that flare up lots of smoke (like ground chuck) are noted as culprits.

D: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[Simon Belmont]

However, I agree that people aren't concerned enough which is why smokers should pay more for healthcare or pay a tax on UHC plans.

They should be denied coverage of lung and heart related disease entirely.

 

[Pimpwerx]

What's the fucking point? The box could say that cigarettes give you AIDS, and no one would care. This is just so fucking stupid. Eventhough kids today grow up with all this negativity associated with cigarettes, they still pick up ciggies and smoke later in life. It's not about changing the label, it's about changing the culture. People start smoking for other reasons than what the box says. Matter of fact, when I smoked, I can't remember ever actually looking at the box other than to make sure they gave me menthols or lights (whichever I was smoking at the time). PEACE.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

if this saves money on health care for the entire country in the long run i'm all for it. it's not like they made cigarettes illegal.

well then I hope you are ready to pay more in retirement benefits for all those people that are now alive and well because you wanted to "save" their lives.

 

[water_wendi]

eating junk all the time is a shitty lifestyle choice, but the dude who eats fast-food 3-4 times a week is probably still going to have higher survivability than an addicted smoker who eats healthy choices. that's a guess though.

See. If it were about getting rid of the strain smoking causes our health care system it would cost $6 for a double cheeseburger from McDonalds or $150 for a steak from Ruths Chris or charge $500 a month for internet access or $100 a video game or $50 a movie ticket. This shows people arent serious about the health care aspects. They beat their chest when it comes to smoking but when it comes to drinking alcohol, playing video games/watching tv/going on the internet, or not eating healthy they seem to shut the fuck up quickly. They only want to tell others how to live but do not wish to be inconvenienced by the same rules.

 

[Apath]

I just quit two days ago :lol

 

[Discotheque]

"Nobody likes fat kids"

That looks like the muthafucking michelin man.

 

[water_wendi]

I don't grill a pack of chickens a day.

So you are a social griller? Doesnt mean shit. You will be a strain on society eventually. Its inevitable you will get cancer at some point.

 

[Dai Kaiju]

If people want to kill themselves smoking, they can go the fuck a head, this is ridiculous.

Not as ridiculous as the amount of people who have eaten up the government propaganda against smoking. It's only slightly less stupid than Reefer Madness.

 

[-COOLIO-]

See. If it were about getting rid of the strain smoking causes our health care system it would cost $6 for a double cheeseburger from McDonalds or $150 for a steak from Ruths Chris or charge $500 a month for internet access or $100 a video game or $50 a movie ticket. This shows people arent serious about the health care aspects. They beat their chest when it comes to smoking but when it comes to drinking alcohol, playing video games/watching tv/going on the internet, or not eating healthy they seem to shut the fuck up quickly. They only want to tell others how to live but do not wish to be inconvenienced by the same rules.

the difference is that smoking is sooooooooooooooooooooo shitty for your health and it's addictive. most people go to mcdonalds occasionally but not multiple times a day.

as far as UHC goes, the smoker is pretty much a guaranteed liability.

 

[water_wendi]

the difference is that smoking is sooooooooooooooooooooo shitty for your health and it's addictive. most people go to mcdonalds occasionally but not multiple times a day.

as far as UHC goes, the smoker is pretty much a guaranteed liability.

And obesity and heart disease isnt?

 

[Simon Belmont]

Not as ridiculous as the amount of people who have eaten up the government propaganda against smoking. It's only slightly less stupid than Reefer Madness.

:lol

Yeah, they've got every respectable scientist in the world in their pocket.

Tobacco companies, they know the real score though.

 

[Ushojax]

We've had these for a while in the UK. I work retail part time and every so often someone will ask for a different pack because they'd rather have a sticker with a corpse on than one that shows some rotten teeth. Given the absolutely devastating costs associated with smoking related disease I'm all for these sorts of warnings, though I doubt it does very much. People don't like being told they are killing themselves. Wasn't there some study where their subjects actually smoked more cigarettes the more they were informed of the health risks?

 

[Steve Youngblood]

See. If it were about getting rid of the strain smoking causes our health care system it would cost $6 for a double cheeseburger from McDonalds or $150 for a steak from Ruths Chris or charge $500 a month for internet access or $100 a video game or $50 a movie ticket. This shows people arent serious about the health care aspects. They beat their chest when it comes to smoking but when it comes to drinking alcohol, playing video games/watching tv/going on the internet, or not eating healthy they seem to shut the fuck up quickly. They only want to tell others how to live but do not wish to be inconvenienced by the same rules.

Again, let me state that I maintain a nuanced position when it comes to smoking regulation, but I think you're drawing comparisons here that are not entirely fair, in particular when you start referencing activities that may or may not provide any indication of laziness. Hour six of lying on the couch with a seemingly bottomless bag of Doritos and my 2 liter bottle of Mountain Dew? Yeah, that's bad. But I could also be winding down in front of the tube after my 5 mile run with a salad and glass of water. Games/movies/television aren't inherently unhealthy to the same degree that cigarettes are.

 

[-COOLIO-]

And obesity and heart disease isnt?

it is but while i can safely make the claim that 50%~ smokers under 18 will probably die around their 40s due to lung cancer i could not even safely make the claim that 2% of mcdonalds patrons will die young of heart disease.

 

[JGS]

So you are a social griller? Doesnt mean shit. You will be a strain on society eventually. Its inevitable you will get cancer at some point.

If only they had a label on the grill I would have been boiling food all this time!

Besides I can stop grilling anytime I want. I've done it a dozen times- usually in the winter.

They should be denied coverage of lung and heart related disease entirely.

Ooh. Kicked it up a notch. I'm on board!