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[UrokeJoe]

Ned Beatty was a pig once.

 

[DiscoJer]

Why not feral cats as well? Feral cats are just as invasive and piss their foul hormone-laden piss everywhere while decimating native song-bird and reptile populations.

I think in some places they do shoot them (or remove them and have them euthanized). But at the same time, they are hardly on the same level. Cats are really only dangerous to small critters (and can actually be helpful, since things like mice and moles aren't that great to have around).

Theoretically they can catch birds, but it's pretty rare because birds can fly and cats (generally) can't. It's really only when people feed birds and the birds get semi-tame (and stupid) that a cat will sneak up and get one.

And most outdoor cats I've seen will do just like indoor cats - urinate in dirt, then cover it up. Unless they are male cats and marking their territory...

 

[OttomanScribe]

I'm surprised at the hostility exhibited in this debate. It's ridiculous.

For the record, I think that this problem is being overblown and that even if it wasn't that solution wouldn't be appropriate. I think it is hypocritical to assert that arbitrary attacks should be solved by arbitrary attacks. It is an effective solution, obviously, but I don't believe that it's a moral one.

What solution would you define as effective?

What would you say are examples of hostility in this thread?

 

[Fugu]

What solution would you define as effective?

Maximum efficacy? Killing them all. I'm not exactly qualified to measure the efficacy of other measures, but it is presumptuous to assume that there are no less cruel methods with some degree of efficacy. I would imagine that implementations designed to prevent the overlap of congregation of hogs and humans would be effective, as they have been involving other species.

What would you say are examples of hostility in this thread?

Are you looking for specific posts? Because I feel that that would be counterproductive to reducing the amount of hostility in this thread. I figure a "you know who you are" approach is adequate amongst adults (or people posing as adults).

 

[Subitai]

Maximum efficacy? Killing them all. I'm not exactly qualified to measure the efficacy of other measures, but it is presumptuous to assume that there are no less cruel methods with some degree of efficacy. I would imagine that implementations designed to prevent the overlap of congregation of hogs and humans would be effective, as they have been involving other species.

How do you kill 2 million of something without chemicals or biological agents that could harm other species you're trying to protect?

 

[Thagomizer]

How do you kill 2 million of something without chemicals or biological agents that could harm other species you're trying to protect?

1. You institute large-scale hunting operations.

2. You don't.

 

[dskillzhtown]

Maximum efficacy? Killing them all. I'm not exactly qualified to measure the efficacy of other measures, but it is presumptuous to assume that there are no less cruel methods with some degree of efficacy. I would imagine that implementations designed to prevent the overlap of congregation of hogs and humans would be effective, as they have been involving other species.


Are you looking for specific posts? Because I feel that that would be counterproductive to reducing the amount of hostility in this thread. I figure a "you know who you are" approach is adequate amongst adults (or people posing as adults).

I love people who don;t have a clue about a topic, yet want to preach an answer.

The biggest problem is the hogs reproduce like crazy and have no natural predators. They destroy fences, they are a menace that does not belong here. There are farms being destroyed, there are animales natural to the area being killed, people are being attacked. Just last week a pack of them ran through a neighborhood.

What exactly would you have them do? Catch the hogs, put them in another part of the country so the problem can start there? Come on.

This is just Texas -

Texas Feral Hog Facts (source: Texas AgriLife Extension Service)
Feral hogs cause an estimated $400 million in damages annually.
There are an estimated 2 million feral hogs in Texas.
Feral hogs are predators of lambs, kid goats, baby calves, newborn fawns and ground-nesting birds, and compete for food and space with many native species of wildlife.
Feral hogs commonly destroy urban yards, parks and golf courses, as well as rangeland, pastures, crops, fencing, wildlife feeders and other property. Additionally, they contribute to E. Coli and other diseases in Texas streams, ponds and watersheds.
Vehicle collisions with feral hogs cause an estimated $1,200 in damage per collision, and create safety hazards for those involved.
http://www.agr.state.tx.us/agr/media...0786_0,00.html

Seems that the hogs are moving further north so this won't be a Southern nonly problem for long unless something is done now. But go ahead and play the role of "just let them live".

 

[besada]

Why not feral cats as well? Feral cats are just as invasive and piss their foul hormone-laden piss everywhere while decimating native song-bird and reptile populations.

People kill feral cats (big and small) in the country already, but generally only when they've started creeping in and killing chickens.

Shooting feral cats from helicopters would also be very difficult.

 

[SpacLock]

Even though there's no green in my area on the OP's map, there's been signs posted all over my area about this. Might pick a couple off myself.

 

[From The Dust]

Even though there's no green in my area on the OP's map, there's been signs posted all over my area about this. Might pick a couple off myself.

eat them. I hear they are delishious

 

[Amakusa]

Once a Month they should have BBQ day, all you can eat pumbaa day! It starts in the morning, Hunt and slaughter your own wild Hog, then clean it and grill it up.

 

[Count Dookkake]

I'd buy a PorkChopper shmup.

 

[GraveRobberX]

I know this is delusional but they way the map of the USA is being affected, I await for them to come to NYC, good lord, imagine feral hogs running around in Central Park

 

[Brannon]

Why not feral cats as well? Feral cats are just as invasive and piss their foul hormone-laden piss everywhere while decimating native song-bird and reptile populations.

Don't feral cats have the ability to know when someone is pointing a gun at them after a while?

At any rate, wild hogs are devastating to... everything, and they need to be controlled like deer since, like deer, whatever natural predators they had either don't exist or have been culled away previously. We fucked up, and now we have to fix it.

 

[DoomGyver]

eat them. I hear they are delishious

From what I've heard only the little ones (under 100 lbs) are delicious, the big ones have a bad smell and taste. But you could still kill them and sell them to a dogfood/catfood company.

 

[Pastry]

From what I've heard only the little ones (under 100 lbs) are delicious, the big ones have a bad smell and taste. But you could still kill them and sell them to a dogfood/catfood company.

My family has property in south Texas and we regulary trap, kill, and eat hogs and they are delicious. Feral hogs can get monstrously large and the ones we trap are a good size but probably small in comparison.

edit: They make fucking awesome tamales!

 

[TheKaeptain]

Fuck you and fuck all humans.

I am fucking done being one. Where can I sign for Buddhism? Or should I just be a vegan?

More meat for me!!!!

 

[Misanthropy]

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[Qwomo]

ANIMALS NEVER HAD A WAR

WHO'S THE REAL ANIMALS?

 

[From The Dust]

Once a Month they should have BBQ day, all you can eat pumbaa day! It starts in the morning, Hunt and slaughter your own wild Hog, then clean it and grill it up.

this would be the most awesome thing ever

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Wait, why coyotes too?

 

[Thagomizer]

In my view it should be against the law to pass any laws which allow the uncontrolled extermination of another species simply because they are a "nuisance" to us. I say this because we have no right to give ourselves the power to kill of living creatures.

So what would you propose? Do you just let them go about their business? Wild hogs kill people, upset the ecosystem, and destroy crops. They are much more than a "nuisance."

Hell, they aren't even a native species.

P.S. If you say "trap and relocate," I will laugh until I make myself sick.

 

[TheKaeptain]

ANIMALS NEVER HAD A WAR

WHO'S THE REAL ANIMALS?

Isn't this BS? I remember reading certain ants will over take other ant hills and move in. It had something to do with food supply around their hill drying out.

 

[Qwomo]

Reminds me of this facebook status I saw on my feed recently that made me laugh until I died:

People suck, they seriously do sometimes - especially ignorant people.... Animals have much better ethics & morals

 

[From The Dust]

Wait, why coyotes too?

I didn't think coyotes were a problem. I feel like that and the foxes addtion was just some shit by a rep from a redneck county


about relocating? lol, I think you need to see the map and numbers again

 

[scar tissue]

There are numerous accounts of hunters (usually hunting hogs with dogs) getting hooked by a boar. While bowhunting for hogs on the 4X Ranch south of San Antonio I met a man that had 83 stitches on his left leg after a hog got hold of him in a cactus thicket while running it with dogs a few years previous. I have since lost track of the man, but I will never forget seeing his scars.

not exactly an unprovoked attack if he's hunting
serves him right, lol (although i'm not necessarily against bowhunting)

also, this wouldn't be necessary if asshole humans hadn't reduced/exterminated the natural predators of the boars
man, sometimes i really hate humanity

 

[From The Dust]

not exactly an unprovoked attack if he's hunting
serves him right, lol (although i'm not necessarily against bowhunting)

also, this wouldn't be necessary if asshole humans hadn't reduced/exterminated the natural predators of the boars
man, sometimes i really hate humanity

there is no natural predator. they don't even belong in these areas

 

[DoomGyver]

I didn't think coyotes were a problem. I feel like that and the foxes addtion was just some shit by a rep from a redneck county


about relocating? lol, I think you need to see the map and numbers again

Coyotes are a huge problem, especially in cattle country. If a cow is giving birth the coyotes will gang up on it and tear the calf and the rest of the birthing stuff to pieces, it's whats for dinner.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Reminds me of this facebook status I saw on my feed recently that made me laugh until I died:

Show them this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8rU-bLYM7Y&feature=related

 

[GDGF]

Feral hog is fucking delicious.

 

[scar tissue]

there is no natural predator. they don't even belong in these areas

uh, so humans introduced them?
either way, when an ecosystem is fucked up, it's always either the fault of
a) humans
b) natural catastrophe

a) happens a lot more often than b)
i really have no idea what kind of natural catastrophe could've caused a huge hog population, so i'm going with a)

 

[From The Dust]

Coyotes are a huge problem, especially in cattle country. If a cow is giving birth the coyotes will gang up on it and tear the calf and the rest of the birthing stuff to pieces, it's whats for dinner.

ah, yes. forgot about the cattle.

uh, so humans introduced them?
either way, when an ecosystem is fucked up, it's always either the fault of
a) humans
b) natural catastrophe

a) happens a lot more often than b)
i really have no idea what kind of natural catastrophe could've caused a huge hog population, so i'm going with a)

not entirely. if I remember correctly, most wild hogs are decended from escaped domestic hogs. it's not nessesarily humans' fault there.

 

[scar tissue]

not entirely. if I remember correctly, most wild hogs are decended from escaped domestic hogs. it's not nessesarily humans' fault there.

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs
they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there
don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong
also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks
just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun
we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?
people who hunt for fun make me sick

 

[elrechazado]

uh, so humans introduced them?
either way, when an ecosystem is fucked up, it's always either the fault of
a) humans
b) natural catastrophe

a) happens a lot more often than b)
i really have no idea what kind of natural catastrophe could've caused a huge hog population, so i'm going with a)

So because it's the human fault in the first place, they should put aside any legitimate concerns that exist now and not solve the problem.

Vindictiveness over practicality...yay!

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs
they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there
don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong
also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks
just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun
we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?
people who hunt for fun make me sick

Oh wow, you went over 9000. Hahahahahaha

 

[Thagomizer]

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs
they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there
don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong
also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks
just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun
we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?
people who hunt for fun make me sick

Arguments are generally more convincing when not in free verse.

 

[scar tissue]

So because it's the human fault in the first place, they should put aside any legitimate concerns that exist now and not solve the problem.

Vindictiveness over practicality...yay!

did you read my post?
i said hunt them to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there, to reduce the amount of animals that have to be killed
if you let them sustain a small population, you can hunt them for an infinite amount of time and a potentially infinite amount of hogs will be killed

 

[BertramCooper]

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs

Nice solution, Captain Hindsight.

they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there

Bingo.

don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong

Nobody is trying to do that.

also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks

Nice generalizing, dude. Obviously all hunters are gun-ho rednecks.

just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun

Just because it has to be done doesn't mean it can't be fun.

we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?

So hogs=humans?

people who hunt for fun make me sick

Because you're weak-minded and ignorant.

 

[Qwomo]

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs
they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there
don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong
also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks
just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun
we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?
people who hunt for fun make me sick

You, sir, are no ThoseDeafMutes.

 

[elrechazado]

did you read my post?
i said hunt them to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there, to reduce the amount of animals that have to be killed
if you let them sustain a small population, you can hunt them for an infinite amount of time and a potentially infinite amount of hogs will be killed

Hunt them to extinction? That's as bad as the holocaust. Well, based on your moral equivalency in the other post at least. Just trying to keep up with your standards.

 

[scar tissue]

So hogs=humans?

I'm pretty sure i made it obvious that i don't think hogs = humans, or do you think I would advocate hunting humans to extinction?
I'm saying that necessary violence should be dealt with professionally, not made fun

Because you're weak-minded and ignorant.

Yeah, because not finding delight in the killing of an animal is weak minded
GTFO

 

[elrechazado]

I'm pretty sure i made it obvious that i don't think hogs = humans, or do you think I would advocate hunting humans to extinction?
I'm saying that necessary violence should be dealt with professionally, not made fun


Yeah, because not finding delight in the killing of an animal is weak minded
GTFO

What moral element is activated if the person doing the killing derives some kind of satisfaction from the act, but doesn't exist when they do not? I'd like to explore this nonsensical theory of yours.

 

[teh_pwn]

So because it's the human fault in the first place, they should put aside any legitimate concerns that exist now and not solve the problem.

Vindictiveness over practicality...yay!

Humans can't attempt to solve global warming because humans caused global warming and such.

 

[KingGondo]

I'd just like to report that I bought a pound of ground wild boar at a farmer's market today, and it will be delicious.

 

[scar tissue]

What moral element is activated if the person doing the killing derives some kind of satisfaction from the act, but doesn't exist when they do not? I'd like to explore this nonsensical theory of yours.

It breeds more violence.
Someone who enjoys hunting these hogs won't stop once they're extinct, he'll go hunt something else, somewhere else.
Possibly he'll even breed stuff, release it, and then hunt it. That's what they do with pheasants in Europe. Fucked up.

 

[Qwomo]

It breeds more violence.
Someone who enjoys hunting these hogs won't stop once they're extinct, he'll go hunt something else, somewhere else.
Possibly he'll even breed stuff, release it, and then hunt it. That's what they do with pheasants in Europe. Fucked up.

You don't understand what hunting is.

 

[teh_pwn]

Can't we compromise this debate with some free range, pastured bacon? Bacon makes everything better.

 

[Degen]

I assume there's no "hunting season" for it. kick. ass.

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs
they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there
don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong
also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks
just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun
we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?
people who hunt for fun make me sick

what a killjoy. i'm sure the hunters will eat their pork most solemnly

 

[elrechazado]

It breeds more violence.
Someone who enjoys hunting these hogs won't stop once they're extinct, he'll go hunt something else, somewhere else.
Possibly he'll even breed stuff, release it, and then hunt it. That's what they do with pheasants in Europe. Fucked up.

Breeds violence? You've already outed yourself as a depr herp derp worthy analyst who thinks that "gun ho" (it's "gung ho btw) rednecks are who hunt, and that in looking down on such people from your lofty superiority, that you can manage to miss the hypocrisy of judging hundreds of millions of people around the world as "red necks".

So your entire premise is that hunting is wrong in a way that say, mass production of cattle, pork, chickens, fish, and other animals is not? If not, then you have a wholly inconsistent logical framework.

 

[scar tissue]

You don't understand what hunting is.

Might be i don't understand what hunting is like in the US and A, if you do it differently
i know very well what hunting is in Europe

 

[AlimNassor]

Feral cats are pretty dangerous too. they can and often do carry tons of nasty diseases, and rabies and if confronted are very, very aggressive. Also, will kill any small animals around.