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[From The Dust]

well, who let the hogs escape?

it's not ANYBODY'S fault. shit happens.

 

[Thagomizer]

It breeds more violence.
Someone who enjoys hunting these hogs won't stop once they're extinct, he'll go hunt something else, somewhere else.
Possibly he'll even breed stuff, release it, and then hunt it. That's what they do with pheasants in Europe. Fucked up.

Soon, the hunter will grow bored, move to a deserted island, and trap OTHER hunters so that he can hunt THEM!

DON'T YOU SEE? THIS IS WHAT YOU BECOME WHEN YOU HUNT!

 

[JambiBum]

It breeds more violence.
Someone who enjoys hunting these hogs won't stop once they're extinct, he'll go hunt something else, somewhere else.
Possibly he'll even breed stuff, release it, and then hunt it. That's what they do with pheasants in Europe. Fucked up.

People have hunted forever. It is a part of human nature. Hell it is a part of every animal's nature. Lions hunt other animals for sport when they are teaching their young to hunt.

 

[elrechazado]

Soon, the hunter will grow bored, move to a deserted island, and trap OTHER hunters so that he can hunt THEM!

DON'T YOU SEE? THIS IS WHAT YOU BECOME WHEN YOU HUNT!

This sounds like quite a game. Quite a dangerous game. Perhaps the most dangerous of all.

 

[TheKaeptain]

well, who let the hogs escape?
the essence of the problem is: if humans hadn't somehow fucked up, we wouldn't have to slaughter these pigs
they should be hunted to extinction ASAP if they don't belong there
don't let them sustain a population for hunting purposes, that's just wrong
also, the exterminating should be done by trained professionals, not gun-ho rednecks
just because it has to be done doesn't mean it should be fun
we don't let normal people carry out the death penalty either, do we?
people who hunt for fun make me sick

What if all the professionals are gun-Ho red necks?

 

[Qwomo]

Might be i don't understand what hunting is like in the US and A, if you do it differently
i know very well what hunting is in Europe

Rather, you don't understand what hunting is like from the perspective of a hunter. You color hunters as machine gun-toting rednecks who derive immense primal satisfaction from mowing down poor, innocent animals.

Read some of Rien Poortvliet's books and report back to this thread.

 

[scar tissue]

So your entire premise is that hunting is wrong in a way that say, mass production of cattle, pork, chickens, fish, and other animals is not? If not, then you have a wholly inconsistent logical framework.

mass production of animals is even more wrong, but that's not going away in the next 100 years
hunting has already been banned in most of the netherlands iirc
because hunters are only a tiny percentage of the population while meat-eaters are a huge percentage, it's a lot more likely that hunting will be banned

 

[elrechazado]

mass production of animals is even more wrong, but that's not going away in the next 100 years
hunting has already been banned in most of the netherlands iirc
because hunters are only a tiny percentage of the population while meat-eaters are a huge percentage, it's a lot more likely that hunting will be banned

So why not be honest and assert from the get go that it's not hunting you have a problem with, but the consumption of meat generally? At least we can all laugh at you for the right reasons from the get go.

 

[scar tissue]

Rather, you don't understand what hunting is like from the perspective of a hunter. You color hunters as machine gun-toting rednecks who derive immense primal satisfaction from mowing down poor, innocent animals.

I'll say this much: i respect hunters who only hunt for food, and who do so on foot
I do not respect hunters who hunt for trophies or bloodlust, possibly from a high seat too
Especially not those who to Africa to shoot lions or zebras from a jeep
Or those that breed animals, release them and then hunt them
Category B is the majority in Europe, seems the survivalist culture is big in the USA and i respect that

So why not be honest and assert from the get go that it's not hunting you have a problem with, but the consumption of meat generally? At least we can all laugh at you for the right reasons from the get go.

because that would be thread derailing

 

[Qwomo]

I'll say this much: i respect hunters who only hunt for food, and who do so on foot
I do not respect hunters who hunt for trophies or bloodlust, possibly from a high seat too
Category B is the majority in Europe, seems the survivalist culture is big in the USA and i respect that

Again, you still don't understand hunting, go read some of Rien Poortvliet's books. If you're from the Netherlands, it won't be hard, he's Dutch. I recommend de Vossen hebben holen and Van de hak op de tak. Of course, by your standards, he's evil and bloodlusty since he shoots animals from a stand.

 

[From The Dust]

mass production of animals is even more wrong, but that's not going away in the next 100 years

you better be a goddamned vegan then :lol

 

[scar tissue]

Again, you still don't understand hunting, go read some of Rien Poortvliet's books. If you're from the Netherlands, it won't be hard, he's Dutch. I recommend de Vossen hebben holen and Van de hak op de tak. Of course, by your standards, he's evil and bloodlusty since he shoots animals from a stand.

you know, i might actually do that
i won't buy the books because i don't want to give him any money, but i'll see if i can find them in a library

edit: kinda weird that there's a defense force for everything on gaf (there's an anti-gay-bigotry defense force for fucks sake), but not for animal rights
and with that, i'm out

 

[Qwomo]

i won't buy the books because i don't want to give him any money

Well first off, he's dead. And his books aren't about hunting. He's an artist who hunts for his art, and includes anecdotes accordingly. It's a refreshing and interesting perspective from an average hunter, who hunts because he so enjoys nature in the first place.

 

[scar tissue]

And his books aren't about hunting. He's an artist who hunts for his art, and includes anecdotes accordingly. It's a refreshing and interesting perspective from an average hunter, who hunts because he so enjoys nature in the first place.

yeah, i just realized that
still, i can't comprehend this line of thinking
"That animal is beautiful...I MUST KILL IT"
Why not just draw it or photograph it?

 

[Qwomo]

Well for him, it was a matter of tactilism, since as a painter he can get so much more artistic depth from touching and positioning the animal in his studio, rather than staring at a photo or an animal from afar. He used to get dead lions from the local zoo for this very purpose. And he lived in the woods, so he hunted foxes for killing local chickens or whatever, and hunted deer for meat.

90% of all hunters hunt simply because they enjoy the outdoors.

 

[Something Wicked]

Okay, who let Kristy Alley into Texas?

 

[mr2xxx]

Since the animals were already being hunted the bill is pointless, all it does is allow some rich pussy to hunt animals safely from a helicopter. Hopefully they buy some silent military copters like Seal Team 6 so they can take out these animals without them even noticing. This bill is not about the morality of hunting, since its already allowed or actually using an effective method to keep the feral pig population down since this would be too costly of a method. All it is, is rich people having fun without getting dirty.

 

[From The Dust]

is is true that most hunters are (or at least have a sense of) conservationists? can't hunt if you ain't got shit to hunt. welp, then we have to work on preserve them

 

[elrechazado]

Since the animals were already being hunted the bill is pointless, all it does is allow some rich pussy to hunt animals safely from a helicopter. Hopefully they buy some silent military copters like Seal Team 6 so they can take out these animals without them even noticing. This bill is not about the morality of hunting, since its already allowed or actually using an effective method to keep the feral pig population down since this would be too costly of a method. All it is, is rich people having fun without getting dirty.

Or maybe it gives people incentives to hunt who didn't have any before, and helps address a problem that needs to be addressed?

I don't get you and these other ascetic types who seem to be morally outraged that somewhere, someone might enjoy an activity. Ludicrous, and frankly, you seem like a tedious bore who hates that someone might enjoy anything they are doing.

 

[BertramCooper]

I'm pretty sure i made it obvious that i don't think hogs = humans, or do you think I would advocate hunting humans to extinction?

You equated hunting feral hogs with executing a human.

I'm saying that necessary violence should be dealt with professionally, not made fun

Humans are not the only species who enjoy hunting.

Yeah, because not finding delight in the killing of an animal is weak minded
GTFO

You're weak-minded because you don't understand necessity of hunting these creatures to keep them in control, and the important role that well-trained sport hunters play in that effort. You'd much rather ignorantly bash those who hunt while sitting on your high horse.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

is is true that most hunters are (or at least have a sense of) conservationists? can't hunt if you ain't got shit to hunt. welp, then we have to work on preserve them

A lot of them, yeah, but you'll find idiots -- poachers, losers who hunt endangered species, assholes in it for the blood lust, people who "hunt" practically domesticated animals on deer farms, etc. -- in any bunch. In the case of these feral hogs, an invasive species that threatens natural species with extinction, costs the economy nearly a billion dollars a year, and is no threat to go extinct itself, there is no good argument I have seen for leaving them alone. The people who think it's immoral to kill these creatures that threaten the environment, our economy, and in some cases our lives are basing their argument on emotion and ignorance.

Since the animals were already being hunted the bill is pointless, all it does is allow some rich pussy to hunt animals safely from a helicopter. Hopefully they buy some silent military copters like Seal Team 6 so they can take out these animals without them even noticing. This bill is not about the morality of hunting, since its already allowed or actually using an effective method to keep the feral pig population down since this would be too costly of a method. All it is, is rich people having fun without getting dirty.

Uhm, if normal methods of hunting are unable to curtail the rise of this destructive species, then more extreme measures need to be taken. Hunting them from a helicopter is simply a necessity at this point.

 

[mr2xxx]

Or maybe it gives people incentives to hunt who didn't have any before, and helps address a problem that needs to be addressed?

I don't get you and these other ascetic types who seem to be morally outraged that somewhere, someone might enjoy an activity. Ludicrous, and frankly, you seem like a tedious bore who hates that someone might enjoy anything they are doing.

Not sure what is wrong with you but my point is that the hunting of these animals was allowed already so all this does is allow for another mean to kill the animals. A mean that is more expensive and unlikely to be an answer to the problem. People are paying so they can go on these rides and hunt animals not some agency paying people to bring down the pig population.

If your going to hunt be a man about it and strap up your boots and find and kill these animals on foot.

 

[elrechazado]

Not sure what is wrong with you but my point is that the hunting of these animals was allowed already so all this does is allow for another mean to kill the animals. A mean that is more expensive and unlikely to be an answer to the problem. People are paying so they can go on these rides and hunt animals not some agency paying people to bring down the pig population.

If your going to hunt be a man about it and strap up your boots and find and kill these animals on foot.

So? How is this relevant at all, to anything?

I like how you completely ignored the point, and simply want to rant about rich people instead. The only logical conclusion here is jealousy. Do you get angry when people go deep see fishing on speedboats instead of wooden rafts? What about people who have 10,000.00 dollar bicycles? Those rich bastards could just ride a huffy, what the fuck????

 

[mr2xxx]

Or maybe it gives people incentives to hunt who didn't have any before, and helps address a problem that needs to be addressed?

All I'm trying to address is that this will have no impact on the population of pigs because so few can afford to do it this way. Do you actually feel this is an answer for the problem? If so please explain why.

 

[elrechazado]

All I'm trying to address is that this will have no impact on the population of pigs because so few can afford to do it this way. Do you actually feel this is an answer for the problem? If so please explain why.

That's a pretty bold statement to make. Let me follow your logic: Increasing the amount of hunting that can be done, on top of the amount of hunting already allowed, will actually have no impact on the amount of animals hunted.

Well, makes perfect sense to me.

 

[Degen]

$300-600 an hour is a terrible incentive if population control (let alone eradication, lolol) is the actual goal.

 

[mr2xxx]

That's a pretty bold statement to make. Let me follow your logic: Increasing the amount of hunting that can be done, on top of the amount of hunting already allowed, will actually have no impact on the amount of animals hunted.

Well, makes perfect sense to me.

All I'm saying is too few people will take advantage of this that it will make the impact on the pig population negligible. The pigs populate at too fast of a rate for this method to work. The only logical way this method will help anything is if the money made from these hunting excursions is put towards something that is effective. But no point in having a discussion with you since you act like child by trying to belittle me.

 

[Kentpaul]

*stomach rumble* i'm hungry now

 

[elrechazado]

All I'm saying is too few people will take advantage of this that it will make the impact on the pig population negligible. The pigs populate at too fast of a rate for this method to work. The only logical way this method will help anything is if the money made from these hunting excursions is put towards something that is effective. But no point in having a discussion with you since you act like child by trying to belittle me.

No, your real problem is clearly that you don't like the idea of people hunting by helicopter because you perceive it arbitrarily as some kind of decadent activity, therefore you are criticizing it. This is clear from the statements that you have typed, so don't pretend you didn't and get huffy about efficiencies now. There were ways to hunt before. They added a new one that some people will pay for. There is no reason to state definitively, as you have, that this will result in zero net gain in the amount of feral hogs eliminated.

 

[q_q]

I'm surprised at the hostility exhibited in this debate. It's ridiculous.

For the record, I think that this problem is being overblown and that even if it wasn't that solution wouldn't be appropriate. I think it is hypocritical to assert that arbitrary attacks should be solved by arbitrary attacks. It is an effective solution, obviously, but I don't believe that it's a moral one.

What would you suggest we do to solve the problem then?

 

[speculawyer]

I hope they get the meat to food pantries and shelters.

 

[BertramCooper]

I hope they get the meat to food pantries and shelters.

Hunters are typically big contributors to food pantries, so I'm sure they will.

 

[mr2xxx]

No, your real problem is clearly that you don't like the idea of people hunting by helicopter because you perceive it arbitrarily as some kind of decadent activity, therefore you are criticizing it. This is clear from the statements that you have typed, so don't pretend you didn't and get huffy about efficiencies now. There were ways to hunt before. They added a new one that some people will pay for. There is no reason to state definitively, as you have, that this will result in zero net gain in the amount of feral hogs eliminated.

The feral pig population exceeds 4 million in the U.S, people paying several hundreds of dollars to kill a few will not have a impact on that population. It will still be a problem and they will need to find a more effective way to stop them . That is why I said this is only for rich people because it is not effective method just something fun to do more than anything else. And yes I feel actually hunting an animal on foot, trying to find them and putting yourself at some risk is more fun than taking a 60 min. ride to shoot an animal but thats me and how I prefer to hunt.

 

[MikeOfTheLivingDead]

All I'm saying is too few people will take advantage of this that it will make the impact on the pig population negligible. The pigs populate at too fast of a rate for this method to work. The only logical way this method will help anything is if the money made from these hunting excursions is put towards something that is effective. But no point in having a discussion with you since you act like child by trying to belittle me.

This bill isn't really aimed at recreational hunting. It's aimed at ranchers who have large plots of land and need an efficient way to keep coyotes and hogs out.

 

[mr2xxx]

http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/texas-feral-hog-pork-chopper/

"But just because landowners want to kill hogs ravaging their property doesn't mean they'll actually find them once they're in the air. The number of hogs killed from flight pales in comparison to the demand for hog death. Landowners have requested to hunt down more than 2 million hogs by aerial hunting since 2004, but reports show gunners weren’t nearly that successful — fewer than 70,000 hogs have actually been shot and killed by aerial hunters during that time."


Besides coyotes and feral hogs, landowners have also requested to kill 47 other types of animals from helicopter — some quite exotic. Coy-dogs, bobcats and red foxes are the next most popular predators on the hit list, but landowners have also requested to hunt zebras, eagles and, perhaps most peculiar, oysters. Not so common kill requests can be seen visually in this word cloud of animals landowners requested to kill 1000 or fewer of.


Zebras WTF

 

[scar tissue]

Besides coyotes and feral hogs, landowners have also requested to kill 47 other types of animals from helicopter — some quite exotic. Coy-dogs, bobcats and red foxes are the next most popular predators on the hit list, but landowners have also requested to hunt zebras, eagles and, perhaps most peculiar, oysters. Not so common kill requests can be seen visually in this word cloud of animals landowners requested to kill 1000 or fewer of.

oysters? eagles? zebras?
seriously?

 

[From The Dust]

oysters? eagles? zebras?
seriously?

have you SEEN the damage those oysters did? goddamn, they're like a fucking hurricane.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

knew this bill was bullshit, the landowners must be mad that a bobcat ate one of their cows and now wants them all slaughtered. and eagles? seriously? what a fucking joke.

 

[Fugu]

I don't get you and these other ascetic types who seem to be morally outraged that somewhere, someone might enjoy an activity. Ludicrous, and frankly, you seem like a tedious bore who hates that someone might enjoy anything they are doing.

You don't see why there is a population of people who are morally opposed to those who view the act of ending life as fun?

 

[Sharp]

Hog tastes good

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[From The Dust]

knew this bill was bullshit, the landowners must be mad that a bobcat ate one of their cows and now wants them all slaughtered. and eagles? seriously? what a fucking joke.

what about the oysters? they are a real goddamn threat!

 

[Jacobi]

That sounds fucking stupid and will lead to unintentional deaths (of humans)

 

[Qwomo]

That sounds fucking stupid and will lead to unintentional deaths (of humans)

Um, what? Pray tell.

 

[Stahsky]

Um, what? Pray tell.

Dude, use your head. Do you realize how many humans would be gunned down by mistake while hunting Zebras?

come on man, it's common sense

 

[Furio53]

Some of you defending the hogs make me sick.

Don't sit there and act like you have a clue about what is happening. I know first hand that these damn feral hogs destroy so much shit. My ranch in south Texas has had tens of thousands of dollars of damage from those fucking pigs.

When I see one, or a pack, I shoot as many as I can without remorse. Then I cook them and eat them and shit them out. It's what they deserve.

 

[Dude Abides]

Only interested if you can hunt them with a flamethrower.

 

[From The Dust]

Only interested if you can hunt them with a flamethrower.

flamethrowers are legal in 40 states. but being in a forested area would cause problem

 

[Dreams-Visions]

this thread = holy shit.

scar tissue = wow.

Nothing on GAF should shock me, yet Mr. Scar Tissue has managed it yet again. A true weirdo.

Only interested if you can hunt them with a flamethrower.

Fast-tracking the bacon? I approve.

 

[OpinionatedCyborg]

Anything that will increase the number of dead feral hogs is a good thing. I can tell you that helicopter hunting is extremely effective at reducing deer and wolf populations when necesssary. It may not be a complete solution to this problem, but it is part of the solution.

 

[OttomanScribe]

People who object to this kind of thing are usually from the city. They fail to appreciate that the realities that come with providing an industrial nation with a constant food supply. The kind of devastation that a plague of feral pigs causes, both to the natural environment and to crops, is crazy.

Methinks that were the price of food to skyrocket they might change their mind on it, as it is it just shows how removed they are from the sources of their sustenance.