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Fez finished at last (submitted to Microsoft for certification)
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checkeredknight
Member
Day one. Been following this for years. Pretty much my ideal game (retro platforming / puzzle.)
I have a habit of buying lots of indie titles (mainly due to the bundles they do) and never getting around to playing them. When I do, I generally enjoy them though. Been playing EDGE lately on Steam; it's fantastic.
LuchaShaq said:
I have a habit of buying lots of indie titles (mainly due to the bundles they do) and never getting around to playing them. When I do, I generally enjoy them though. Been playing EDGE lately on Steam; it's fantastic.
Trials better stick to "spring" or I will raaaaaaaage
My most wanted game of the year BY FAR
Just played it a bit to see how similar it is, gotta admit, for a ripoff it's decent stuff
Family Fry
Member
Phonomezer
Banned
I'm down for the 2nd of May
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
finally, 360 was getting dusty!
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Wow you're right, they are very similar. However, Fez has been in development for ages, who knows when the flash game was conceived. Either way I wish this was available on PSN.
For those who want to check Sky Island: http://armorgames.com/play/10899/sky-island
There's probably a rough average you can draw, but it'd be completely meaningless. Several developers have gone on record about what a gigantic nightmare the certification process can potentially be. Essentially (unless this changed), one discovered bug = start the entire certification process over again. Some XBLA games have spent months being resubmitted over and over again because of this.
Therefore, that firmly in mind, I am not getting too hyped. Really looking forward to playing this though...2012 looks to be a great XBLA year (despite Microsoft appearing to lose interest in seriously promoting the platform) and this is near the top of my list.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Well I'm excited for the game, been waiting a while to play it. The whole view switching seems like the level design and depth could be really cool.
Sentenza
Member
You must have missed that hilarious quote from the developer:
(sorry to bring this on the table again, but I can't stress enough how absurdely stupid it is).
Sentenza
Member
Yeah, that's it.Wait... it's not on fucking PC? And THAT'S the reasoning? Fuck this guy
Honestly, if he had told us "I do not have time or resources to make a PC version" I would have no objections, but his argument is downright insulting and I really can't think of a better way to describe it if not calling "fanboyism".
He's not saying that he can't make a PC version, he's not saying that he doesn't think it would be profitable. He's explicitly suggesting that he doesn't want PC gamers to enjoy his game and he doesn't want their (our) money, simply cause he's ... I don't know, jealous of it? Because they (we) don't deserve the game?
TheExplodingHead
Banned
No, that's not what he's saying. He's saying he wants his game to be a "console experience" as it pertains to his perception of it. Nothing wrong with that. So what if he doesn't want to do a PC version, it's his game. Don't like it, don't buy it, period.
Sentenza
Member
Yes, it is.
"I want it to be a console experience" doesn't mean shit, so the point in the end is that he just doesn't want PC gamers to play his game.
Plenty of people play on PC in the same way they play on consoles, so "to preserve the experience" is an argument that doesn't make sense.
Especially when we talk about platform games.
Phonomezer
Banned
Let's be fair, it's his game and he can do what he likes with it.
I don't think there would be such a fuss if this was PC-exclusive because he only wanted it to be played with a mouse.
Monty Mole
Member
Wait... it's not on fucking PC? And THAT'S the reasoning? Fuck this guy
"Fuck this guy" because he's spent a lot of time and money making a game you want to play but just not for your platform of choice?
It's up to him what he does with his game. Instead of you and "TucoBenedictoPacifico" slagging him off, remember the game wouldn't exist without him in the first place.
EDIT: And let's be honest, this is little more than port-begging.
Sentenza
Member
Sure, and I have the same freedom to have an opinion about his philosophy.
Or being a developer makes his word some sort of gospel?
Monty Mole
Member
Nobody is censoring your posts.
No because if it was a game that required kb+m, that would be a legitimate argument.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
You make a lot of assumptions about his perception of the "console experience", as well as a rant fallacy about the reality of 80-90% of most "PC gamers" experiences. I could play my gaming rig on my 55" in the living room, instead I opt to use my triple monitor setup at my desk.
The reality is most console gamers sit on a bed or couch to play games, most PC gamers sit at a desk or alternate area...this is a fact. Doesn't mean that all PC setups are the same or that it can't replicate the "traditional console experience". I'm just going off pure estimations of how most people take in those medias. Argue that if you will.
That's beside the fact maybe he like the feeling of pushing the 360 power button, turning on the controller, hearing the consoles noises
-P), and shuffling through the old familiar menus and screens, loading up a game and playing it on a console. Nothing wrong with that, that is the "console experience". His preference doesn't need defense, it's his work, his time, his money, his energy. If he doesn't want to sit through a whole different kind of patch/troubleshoot trial guaranteed to happen on PC with almost any game...that's his business. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But no need to feel self entitled to a PC version when there's little to no real demand for it.
Sentenza
Member
Why not? His reasoning is downright stupid.
As I already said there were plenty of valid reasons to not make a port, but the one he's flaunting around doesn't deserve any respect.
No, I don't. I'm not making any assumption, and I never claimed to speak for 90% of PC gamers.
I don't even think is relevant what's the percentage or how they play.
And yet, not a relevant one.
Of course. But he didn't say anything about that.
What are you talking about? "Little to no real demand"?
FreeChicken
Neo Member
Been really hyped for this for too long now. Glad I may finally get a chance to play it soon!
Monty Mole
Member
'Fucking him' for his opinions doesn't deserve any respect either.
I notice you're not upset with him not porting it to PS3, Wiiware, Vita etc - why your focus on PC in particular?
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Point me to one area where there is resounding demand for Fez on PC?
Irrelevant to you, but not to a dev who chooses where his lower budget indie game should set up shop. In that sense it's extremely relevant. If this is all about you, as you're suggesting, than that's a personal problem. Can't help you there.
Sentenza
Member
And that's your opinion.
I didn't say "fuck him", just for start, but I can easily understand the user who said it, considering how that argument was simply insulting and discriminatory in the most puerile way.
Because he didn't argue about the "Xbox experience", but the "console experience"?
There are plenty of indie games that aren't on PC yet, but you won't find one single post from me where I'm blaming the developers.
And beside that, I largely prefer to play on PC for anything that isn't a console exclusive.
Do I need to apologize for that? I don't think so.
I can't remember asking your help about anything, to be honest.
Indie games tend to do far better on PC than any console equivalent. With the possible exception of Braid (and it's close), there are almost no cases where an indie game sells more on a console than on Steam. (Yes, I know PC != Steam, but Fez could make it to Steam without a problem.)
I respect the creator's decision, but as I play most Steam games with my snazzy 360 controller in hand and on the same monitor/TV as my Xbox 360, there is literally no difference between the two media for me. It's a little silly to not offer gamers the choice, but c'est la vie.
Point me to one area where there is resounding demand for Fez on a specific platform but not another?
That was a knee-jerk reaction to the "bu-but comfy couch" argument that the creator is using.
Obviously he's free to do whatever he wants with HIS game, but using that argument just makes me so... tired. The argument is ridiculed here on GAF for a good reason.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
There needs to be no "demand" when one platform or another is the specific wish of the creator. So that doesn't even makes sense, other than revenue what incentives should move Phil to port it to PC/Steam? That's the realistic question here.
I agree, and I personally would double dip on Steam for Fez, I just don't get all the hating on this man for his particular platform of choice.
Zomba13
Member
Many PC players enjoy the 'console experience' on PC.
Hell, my 'console experience' is the same as my PC experience. I play games at my desk or sitting on my bed, I do this for both PC and console. I guess he doesn't want me to play this as I'll be playing it wrong no matter what it's released on.
TheExplodingHead
Banned
Like I've said, lots of us PC gamers here have the option to play PC games and consoles games the same way. And I agree his reasoning's were not good. But if I'm making a game for 90% of people to enjoy a certain way, I might opt for the platform that has more users who play games that way, consoles. Again, we all could hook out rigs up to our 1080p TV's and have a blast the exact same way, so his reasoning's were a bit off there. But, overall generally speaking for how he envisions the game best played, I have to respect his reasoning.
Man, that's actually pretty funny. Just played that for 20 minutes straight and would continue if I hadn't work to be done... Also, it has some Mario World-esque Tropical island music. Feels good man.
Yup, it's insane how long this took to make.
It was like 2 people and maybe a few contractors. Making their first game ever.
The original Cave Story for PC was 1 guy and took 5 years as well.
So really not insane at all.
FuKuy
Member
This is serious?!
I can't believe someone have said such nonsense... ok, he is the developer, he release the game wherever he wants, and maybe don't have the resources or he is just simply not interested.
I can deal with it, but "console experience"?!!?!?!?! What a crappy statement is that?!
"Its made to be played with a controller, on a couch, on a Saturday morning."
Because, everybody knows that I CAN'T play with controller, on a couch on a Saturday morning on PC.
Well then, I'll spent my money on other PC games.
Baron_Calamity
Member
I really don't get that attitude from developers. At this point, even though I have all of this gens consoles, I'm mostly a pc gamer and I do most of my pc gaming with a 360 controller. I've owned a game pad or a joystick for every computer I've owned, going all the way back to 1981 with the Commodore Vic 20. It isn't an alien device. Use the best controller for the game I say.
It's damage control. Awful damage control but damage control nonetheless. Remedy did the same thing with Alan Wake. I guess it's easier to give the comfy couch argument over "Microsoft gave us a lot of money in return for us keeping our game off other platforms".
Holy Order Sol
Member
Of all the crap he could have chosen to pull out of his ass to justify his decision, he picks this. It's as if he wanted to elicit that kind of reaction.