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RaijinFY said:Doesnt sound like unfortunately...
going to have to agree from what i played. not that i could understand what was happening without my frien dhelping me out though.
just couldnt get into th ebattle system. feels so.. i dunno it just bothers me
of course i cant fully judge it i dont think so +1 day one purchase for me. collectors edition no less
Red Scarlet
Member
Well, I set up priorities incorrectly the first time through (attack was first, heal was lower down the list), which made me manually heal. I liked it better that way, myself. The second time through, I put healing/revival ones first so the party would attack and heal when the if/then statement of current hp/max hp was met, thus letting me go and make pizza if I wanted.
brandonh83
Banned
Amir0x said:
Oblivion is great and all but it isn't concentrated enough for me. It's great at what it sets out to do, but before I can declare an RPG better than another, it also has to have a superior story, characters, and things of that sort. And though Oblivion is littered with sidestories and characters, I don't think they really amount to too much in the main story.
:lol That post actually helps me understand it better for some reason.
Best thing to do is to stop being held by the hand and play the game on your own merit. If you are the type to be swayed by other gamers then you aren't a gamer yourself.RaijinFY said:
As much as I trust certain RPG afficiendo's on this board like Bebpo, ducky and Scarlet.. it just doesn't compare to what you experience and enjoy in the same game they are praising to the heavens or dragging through the mud.
brandonh83
Banned
speedpop said:
Very true. I personally loved FFX, especially when replaying it last month. If I actually took into account what people say, I would have skipped FFVIII, IX, and X. :lol
Red Scarlet
Member
Why would you trust my opinion? I'm one of the weirdest gamers around. Like with DQ8, I don't want anybody to go out and purchase the game thinking it's the BEST THING EVER and be disappointed.
I'm sure lots of people will love the game, I'm just stating my experiences with it. I wasn't really looking forward to the game overall (played the demo the day before the game arrived), but had fun the first time..much less fun the 2nd time.
I'm sure lots of people will love the game, I'm just stating my experiences with it. I wasn't really looking forward to the game overall (played the demo the day before the game arrived), but had fun the first time..much less fun the 2nd time.
brandonh83
Banned
Only thing I'm remotely concerned about is the general dismay for the
I don't really remember what was "wrong" with them, but I hope I don't agree with whatever it happened to be.
third act of the game and the ending.
Red Scarlet
Member
I didn't even know I was at the end. The credits started going by and I said "oh, it's over".
It was pretty abrupt, if that is what other complained about.
brandonh83
Banned
That's rather worrisome. But, at least in my opinion, it cannot be worse than FFVII's ending. :lol
Yeah Oblivion is pretty sweet Amir0x. I have some issues with the game though, which keeps it from getting rpg of the year status.
Tales of the what? That series is a dime a dozen, getting a new one every year. FF releases are special because we see real sequel once every 3 to 4 years. My friend has ToS, and I watched it for about 15 minutes before I had to leave the room due to the horrific voice acting. It was either this or take a drill to my eardrums.
Bask in the glory of FF12.
Ark-AMN said:
Tales of the what? That series is a dime a dozen, getting a new one every year. FF releases are special because we see real sequel once every 3 to 4 years. My friend has ToS, and I watched it for about 15 minutes before I had to leave the room due to the horrific voice acting. It was either this or take a drill to my eardrums.
Bask in the glory of FF12.
I actually liked the Gambits, I just wish the game had given you more of them from the get go. It takes like 4 hours of gameplay to get a decent set up of them, and then maybe another 6 or so before you really get a reasonable amount. I don't agree with making you have to find/buy them. It seems like the sort of thing where if you really wanted people to learn the system and learn to love it you should make more of it available earlier. I know it's a 100 hour RPG or whatever but eh.
I still found myself micromanaging boss fights so I don't fully agree with the "it takes away control" crowd. I think it reduces tedium of low level fights but the difficult stuff still takes as much or as little thought as it ever did.
I still found myself micromanaging boss fights so I don't fully agree with the "it takes away control" crowd. I think it reduces tedium of low level fights but the difficult stuff still takes as much or as little thought as it ever did.
Shouta
Member
MoxManiac said:
You have to use gambits unless you're batshit crazy and want to do every single command for all of your characters at every single moment. Even I used a few basic Gambits to reduce the insane tedium and difficulty of not using any of them at all. I'd elaborate more but I'm working on getting my computer going right now after I had to reinstall everything and wipe my HD =|
brandonh83
Banned
Shouta said:
That's something about the demo that did get tiresome, which was constantly managing characters and attacks. So I guess the gambits are good for that. I'm just saying I doubt I'll use them all that much on my first playthrough (or at least the first time I clear each area of enemies).
robertsan21
Member
I need this Game NOW
after I tried it at E3 this year I have been dreaming of this game, battle system is so awesome and the game seems HUGE and I like that!
oktober cant come fast enough
after I tried it at E3 this year I have been dreaming of this game, battle system is so awesome and the game seems HUGE and I like that!
oktober cant come fast enough
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
That's one of the things I love about Gambits. They show to the player that most of the turn-based RPGs have almost 0 control in battles. In fact, imo, there is much more control in creating a AI system AND manually issuing commans from time to time to micromanage your strategy, than like in other turn-based RPGs without gambits, where all you MUST do (you have no other choice, or else it's game over or makes the battles harder or more boring) is to use your strongest attacks and heal when needed.Red Scarlet said:
Gambits do not remove control, they remove that fake sense of control found in most of the menu-based RPGs. It reminds me of FFX's world map system. Everyone bashed it for being linear, but it did not removed the exploration that the world maps had, it just removed their fake sense of exploration. (Only very few world maps were actually explorable, like FFVI's world of ruin. And only few turn-based systems needed TRUE control and strategy to win the battles, without the need to force the player doing the same three-four commands over and over 90% of the time, or else, the player would be wasting turns)
EDIT:
Creating a gambit system (it's fun to do so, btw), and then make a pizza while your characters fight >>>>>>>>>>>>> Issuing the same three-four commands over and over and over and over and over and over and over and make no pizza. You only end up losing without Gambits.
P.S: Manually controlling the lead character while the others are controlled by the gambits you have created is also fun.
Grivenger said:That's one of the things I love about Gambits. They show to the player that most of the turn-based RPGs have almost 0 control in battles. In fact, imo, there is much more control in creating a AI system AND manually issuing commans from time to time to micromanage your strategy, than like in other turn-based RPGs without gambits, where all you MUST do (you have no other choice, or else it's game over or makes the battles harder or more boring) is to use your strongest attacks and heal when needed.
Gambits do not remove control, they remove that fake sense of control found in most of the menu-based RPGs. It reminds me of FFX's world map system. Everyone bashed it for being linear, but it did not removed the exploration that the world maps had, it just removed their fake sense of exploration. (Only very few world maps were actually explorable, like FFVI's world of ruin. And only few turn-based systems needed TRUE control and strategy to win the battles, without the need to force the player doing the same three-four commands over and over 90% of the time, or else, the player would be wasting turns)
EDIT:
Creating a gambit system (it's fun to do so, btw), and then make a pizza while your characters fight >>>>>>>>>>>>> Issuing the same three-four commands over and over and over and over and over and over and over and make no pizza. You only end up losing without Gambits.
P.S: Manually controlling the lead character while the others are controlled by the gambits you have created is also fun.
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TheJollyCorner
Member
Amir0x said:
:lol :lol :lol you crack me up, man
Red Scarlet
Member
What he said made 0 sense, unless the person starts the game with the strongest spell in the game and infinite MP.
How setting 'attack the nearest enemy' once then having the game do that for you every single time you see an enemy in range is more control than choosing what to do depending on whatever situation comes up in a game? No.
How setting 'attack the nearest enemy' once then having the game do that for you every single time you see an enemy in range is more control than choosing what to do depending on whatever situation comes up in a game? No.
at whatever given time in the game, you'd be using your strongest current spell/attack that you currently have available to you is what he is saying
anyway he's a good guy because he knows just how awesome FFXII, and why it utterly destroys every other FF game, so he's on the good team of righteousness.
anyway he's a good guy because he knows just how awesome FFXII, and why it utterly destroys every other FF game, so he's on the good team of righteousness.
Red Scarlet
Member
Ever hear of 'conserving MP'?
Red Scarlet
Member
How is it a fake veil? If I want to conserve MP, I don't blast away 100HP badguys with a spell that does 800 damage.
charlequin
Banned
brandonh83 said:
Uematsu's strength is as a pop composer. He's very much like the John Williams of videogames -- his themes tend to be sappy but very memorable and extremely fitting. It's because his work is so focused on melody that people say he's getting "worse" -- really what's happening is that in later years he's had to pad his 25-30 strong compositions per soundtrack up to 100+ and he's been forced to arrange his own work, even though his arrangements are terrible. (Look at FFX, where the best tracks are Uematsu melodies arranged by other composers). His chiptune work is still some of the best videogame music ever written, and some of it is criminally underappreciated (the NES soundtrack to FFIII being the outstanding example.)
Sakimoto is much more symphonic and bombastic. His strongest suit is creating mood (rather than melody), and unlike Uematsu (who evokes pure, simple, nostalgic emotions), Sakimoto is great at complex, mature themes -- he fits so well with Matsuno because his happy pieces carry deep currents of tragedy and his sad pieces burgeon with hope. He does produce memorable pieces (both FFTs havesome pieces I hum to myself) but they're very arrangement-driven and don't work if you try to extract the melody. "Beyond the Wasteland" is a really catchy, bouncy battle track, but without the syncopated percussion and such it's pretty empty.
Red Scarlet
Member
Yeah it is, you don't do anything anymore, the game does.
I'm talking about your 'use the strongest stuff all the time in a regular game' thing. Does anybody actually play like that?
Try setting a Steal gambit that doesn't suck ass and see how much 'better control' gambits have.
I'm talking about your 'use the strongest stuff all the time in a regular game' thing. Does anybody actually play like that?
Try setting a Steal gambit that doesn't suck ass and see how much 'better control' gambits have.
Red Scarlet
Member
Yeah, stealing sucks gambit wise. :/
When you see how crappy money is in the game you will want a good stealing gambit, which I have yet to find one that doesn't make me have to manually try to steal anyway due to how gambits are.
When you see how crappy money is in the game you will want a good stealing gambit, which I have yet to find one that doesn't make me have to manually try to steal anyway due to how gambits are.
charlequin
Banned
Scarlet, I can absolutely see your stance here but I'm very excited about gambits myself. My favorite part of the older ("gameplay-oriented") FFs was generally to work out the ideal groove to most efficiently beat the monsters in each area, but I'd basically never deviate from that once I found it. I think I'd probably really enjoy replaying a mythical FF4 where I could record my ideal move order, let the game execute it for me, and only interrupt if I wanted to change something. I only tend to actually think strategically in most RPGs during boss battles anyway. :lol
I usually play like that. Not so much in, say, FFIV where you typically need to conserve resources a little more carefully, but in FFVI or IX?
Red Scarlet said:
I usually play like that.
Not so much in, say, FFIV where you typically need to conserve resources a little more carefully, but in FFVI or IX?
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
So, mindlessly mashing the X button over and over is control? Maybe it really is more control, but it's useless control. Gambits remove all that useless, time-wasting crap. The player still DECIDES what the characters will do, and when, the player just doesn't needs to waste his/her time to issue the same crap over and over to have control over his/her characters, anymore, thank god. Gambits rock.
Gambits are not perfect, indeed, but keep in mind that they are not there to play for you, they are there to assist you, to make the battles more fast-paced by removing all the time that is usually wasted in issuing the same three-four commands countless and countless times. It might be annoying to control a whole party, but it's not annoynig to open the command's menu sometimes to issue commands.
Well, when I tried the game, my Vaan character had a gambit that would make him steal everytime the enemy's HP was 100%. When I wanted him to steal a specific item, and did not want my characters to kill that enemy before Vaan had stole the item, I opened the command's menu, turned OFF the gambits for the other two characters, and then keep opening it every time the party needed to be healed. Once I got the item, I opened the command's menu again, turned ON the gambits and issued the "attack command" for Vaan so he wouldn't waste a turn. But I rarely needed to do that, though, as most of the items were pretty much useless but to sell, so the gambit to steal when the monster's HP was 100% would at least grant Vaan to steal at least ONCE per enemy, and that is ENOUGH after fighting countless enemies.
Red Scarlet
Member
Himuro said:
Neither do the old ones.
Grivenger said:
X is cancel, that won't do much. If that's how you REALLY play, then you aren't really doing anything anyway to start with. That's your control, however. If battles are that annoying, why even play the game? Read a story synopsis. Gambits make them useless, to the point of not even having to do anything.
Grivenger said:
They are there to play for you. That's the whole point of them.
Yeah, and if you miss that steal, then the badguy gets hit, then the steal gambit you have set up won't go. So if you really want an item, you have to go and steal yourself anyway.
Red Scarlet said:
Yes, people do. Most people don't bother, sitting at each encounting thinking "OH WHAT DIFFERENT SHIT SHOULD I DO THIS TIME?". Instead most people just try to rush past each encounter as fast as possible to finish the game and move on to the next one.
Unlike you, many people have no than one game to play every month. Who the **** wastes time replaying crappy RPGs anyway when we can be playing the NEXT crappy RPG instead?
My Arms Your Hearse
Banned
All FF games are gameplay oriented. It's what you do in 98%+ of all of them.
Red Scarlet
Member
Himuro said:
No it doesn't. Want me to play through it sometime for you? Hell, what about 2 player?
Eh, you guys are being silly. These topics are stupid, filled with people that haven't played the game and are viral marketing it (Amir0x) or people that play for the opposite reason I do, and it just turns into a bicker-fest. Fine, have fun with your game and I really hope you enjoy it as much as you think you do. If you do, awesome. If not, well, sucks for you. FF12 topics here turn into gamefaqs-calibur retardation.
i think only for you it does Red Scarlet because you play Final Fantasy games (and RPGs in general) with near incomprehensible levels of claustrophobic taste and ridiculousness!
but it's ok Scar, you don't have to think FFXII is the best FF ever. It is, of course, but everyone has their guilty pleasures!
but it's ok Scar, you don't have to think FFXII is the best FF ever. It is, of course, but everyone has their guilty pleasures!
Lady Bird
Matsuno's Goebbels
X and O are reversed in most of the FF's english versions. I meant "OK button", or whatever it's called.Red Scarlet said:
Not true. IF that was the point, then the player would not be allowed to open the command's menu anytime and micromanage his/her strategy to make it more effective. Gambits are there to assist you, and to make the battles more fast-paced by removing much of the time wasted issuing commands. They were build so the player doesn't needs to issue the commands many times, YET, still have control over the characters.
Gambits only fully play for you when:
-You are fighting easy battles that can be won by just attacking/healing, or other basic stuff;
-Later in the game, in which you should have enough gambits to create a near perfect gambit's setup;
Yes, you must do some things manually for an effective stealing, but the 100% Enemy's HP = Steal is enough when fighting all those random, weak enemies, because you will most likely steal once for every enemy, and it's not like it takes time to steal common items, so you can still get plenty of items to sell this way.
charlequin said:
This is a fricking brilliant description. Sakimoto's tunes, to me, do not lend themselves to be hummed, but they do create an experience that is deeper and richer than Uematsu's--and I'm a gigantic Uematsu fan. You can see the contrast even on the FF12 OST...compare Kiss Me Goodbye, with its sweeping, nostalgic (eyes on me total) melody to something much more complex like the Empire's Theme or even the Opening March. There isn't any one real repeatable hook phrase (or even a rondo throughout the entire OST), but Sakimoto's opening could easily be plugged into any Star Wars march and easily outdo John Williams.
It's fantastic.
FF12 will be "awesome" regardless of how disappointing it is for some. It is a huge step forward for a traditional series that is experimenting in ways the franchise hasn't. If I don't like it, FF13 is there. If I do, I can branch out into other RPGs that are just as--and more--complex than FF12.
I am very, very excited to play another Matsuno title.
This is not a game spoiler, but a music spoiler:
CLASH ON THE BIG BRIDGE OMFG FTWWWW
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
I actually beat FFV recently with restricted classes and very little of that. I was even lower leveled than Scarlet!Himuro said:
YOU LOSE.
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
yes, why can't you understand this?Himuro said:
Plus separate battles roxxx. You're just not willing to allow for me!
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
Battle systems as opposed to this MMO clone stuff. Sure FFXII is fun, but it's not what I want from a FF game!Himuro said:
RevenantKioku
PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS PEINS oh god i am drowning in them
Yes. I want it over and over again. Difference is what other series are for.Himuro said:
And no I'm not implying FFXII lacks a battle system. That would be silly.