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[dermannmitdemcolt]

i suck because players behave the same on the central of the field and 5 meters from the goal? I suck because world class player cant lead the ball without hitting it way too ahead of himself?

Lol, stop holding down the sprint button and try to PASS the ball around a little. In fifa you need build up play. It's not like PES2008 where you can run down a defence with players like C. Ronaldo.

Anyway, the Demo rocks big time (aside from the presentation).

+ The Ai is great and well beyond anything we've seen in a football game
+ Goalies are just right this time
+ fantastic animations (wtf are you smoking spwolf?)
+ defence play is very satifying now
+ passing and shooting are greatly improved
+ the new collision feels great and actually affects the gameplay

Kudos to EA.

 

[kaizoku]

God damnit. >_<

I can configure the controls to be exactly like Pro Evo... yet I'm too used to Fifa's Cross/Shoot buttons being backwards to what i'm used to in Pro Evo, so i have a situation where I press Square to shoot but I have to reassure myself that Square is the right button to press when infront of goal. ~_~

Now with that little rant out of the way, Fifa has come a long way from when I last bought a Fifa game (well it has been 4 years ), can't really form an opinion on the shooting mechanics because I can't press the right button infront of goal. But the build up play looks flash with the animation, however it's the same animation that's pissing me off slight, the gameplay is nice and fluid but there's that "something about Fifa" that doesn't quite sit right with me will give it more playtime.
And why is there a powerbar for every pass ffs, there are only 2 types of normal passes, pressing X and holding X, i don't need a frikken bar for that.

you're a lot like me mate. I am used to PES controls with the caveat that I've ALWAYS set the shoot button to circle, ever since PS1 days! Pressing square to shoot feels wrong.

FIFA's Classic setup is quite similar really but press and tackle/double press are weird to use now.

I have to say it hasn't blown me away, but I have never liked analogue controls apart from ISS 64 days, have never liked analogue controls for football games since.

Biggest complaint? The way the players feel. Maybe I need to adjust to this whole first touch and FIFA-ness, but I hate that I have an analogue stick as my only method of control yet I have a button for slow dribble and sprint. WTF?

I should be able to tilt the stick gently to control and walk slowly, small nimble shifts of balance etc. Why is it these top class athletes turn like buses when I'm just using the analogue on its own? Thats not how human beings walk, we can turn surprisingly quick unless we're running!

There should be walking on the analogue, run button and maybe another sprint button or tab run to sprint.

Or maybe I just need to adapt to analogue, but I doubt it, analogues should be fairly natural, when I tilt it gently I don't expect my guy to try a big ass turn. Small neat movements dammit.

Second worry is that FIFA will hit a plateau. You get to a stage where your skills can't progress anymore (tricks and juggling aside). With PES (even if it is broken) you can play absolutely beautiful football and can keep getting more and more extravagant as you get better. With FIFA it feels like you hit a wall and from there its just the same all the time.

I might go back to PES for that alone as its the little je ne sais quoi factor which I love and which seperates the top players from the casual.

I HATE how the menu fades in and out and all the flashy little menu crap, I want to be able to press start on and off within a split second, not wait for some screen to fade in, then fade out again.

However I do find it playable unlike previous FIFAs and will give it more time. Somethings are done very well

 

[Srider]

I'm downloading the demo off PSN now as I'm curious how it compares to PES08. I saw some vids for FIFA09 and the animations look pretty good, as well as the ball physics in certain situations. The youtube vid of skill moves got me interested as well.

I'm not writing PES09 off just yet, even with the abysmal offering in 08. FIFA will really have to blow me away to convince.

 

[yurinka]

I downloaded the PSN demo and I think is really good. Everything it's awesome, but the framerate can be improved in some places.

While you play while loading (not in the stadium) or while you're ingame, has a really good and solid framerate. But when you play while loading in the stadium or when you see close ups the framerate isn't as good.

But this is a really minor issue, and has been improved comparing to FIFA08. It doesn't matter because the overall game is really good. I think it will crush PES09.

 

[dermannmitdemcolt]

Second worry is that FIFA will hit a plateau. You get to a stage where your skills can't progress anymore (tricks and juggling aside). With PES (even if it is broken) you can play absolutely beautiful football and can keep getting more and more extravagant as you get better.

Excuse me? PES is scripted as hell. If you want realistic and varied football, play Fifa.

 

[sun-drop]

i played PES/we exclusively SINCE isss64 up untill FIFA08 last year.

the ppl saying PES is more realisic that fifa now, are fully on crack. they are just used to pes and don't like the fact fifa isn't pes.

i think pes's more arcady feel was perfect for last gen, limitations of the hardware etc ..it suited much better. and at least you got a really good responsive arcadey game of footy.

but to say it was realistic was a joke man, it's been said many times but the ball ping ponged around the pitch in totally unrealistic fashion.

i think fifa's ball physics are far more realistic ..but the game makes you have to build up to score. you can't just hold down sprint and go charging down the middle of the pitch then ping pong squirt a pass out, to bounce off the foot of a team mate and into the back of the net. as fun as that was.

with fifa u have to pass it around, make space ... it's way more satisfying to me.

that said you can one touch it around too ... and i've had some really frantic matches of fifa 08 .. you just gotta make the ball do the work man.

 

[okrim]

But to 360 version too slowdown so terrible during the 'cut scenes'? On the ps3 every fifa same problem, I'm tired of this absurd situation ...

 

[womfalcs3]

I mentioned this in the PS Store thread, but why do gameplay videos look so crisp while my on-the-field gameplay looks blurry?


The cinematic portions are good, but when you're actually playing it's distorted a bit.

 

[supermackem]

i suck because players behave the same on the central of the field and 5 meters from the goal? I suck because world class player cant lead the ball without hitting it way too ahead of himself? I suck because ball bounces around on the grass as if it is on ice? I suck because if I leave it on to play by itself for 5 minutes, computer AI at hardest in the demo will not take the ball and score? I suck because when I hit an button, it takes 1-2 seconds to respond, instead of doing it right away (even if it means shooting badly, with wrong foot, or whatever)

I am just saying what I see.... And those things annoy me greatly. I customized controls already, but my beef is not with controls but the actual gameplay.

As I said before, got nothing against brands or names, I just cant play this vs PES. I want to like it, but I cant.

I am sure retail version will be somewhat improved, but these things are almost the same for a long time now.

Not mening to offend any FIFA fans - saying my part after playing 6-7 demo games by now. It is just my personal opinion.

So DO you watch football?, the ball is always bouncing boberling and always in need of being controlled by the player.:lol

 

[CrunchinJelly]

But to 360 version too slowdown so terrible during the 'cut scenes'? On the ps3 every fifa same problem, I'm tired of this absurd situation ...

Gameplay is 60fps, cutscenes are 30fps.

 

[okrim]

I mentioned this in the PS Store thread, but why do gameplay videos look so crisp while my on-the-field gameplay looks blurry?


The cinematic portions are good, but when you're actually playing it's distorted a bit.

Probably cause is the upscaling from 720p to 1080p gta 4 has the same problem.

 

[okrim]

Gameplay is 60fps, cutscenes are 30fps.

on the ps3 15 fps guarantee in my opinion, is very bad.

 

[spwolf]

Lol, stop holding down the sprint button and try to PASS the ball around a little. In fifa you need build up play. It's not like PES2008 where you can run down a defence with players like C. Ronaldo.

do you even understand what I posted? I dont think so. Players do not have sense of urgency when faced with important situations - such as in front of goal, or trying to save the ball out of out/corner, etc... they behave the same everywhere.

What does that have to do with running and passing?

 

[spwolf]

So DO you watch football?, the ball is always bouncing boberling and always in need of being controlled by the player.:lol

I am obviously not worthy of Fifa

 

[Srider]

I think it's really funny when people talk about running through the defense with a fast player in PES... Maybe people don't know how to defend correctly to prevent it from being a scoring opportunity? Anyways, good players running through the defense also happens in real life...and I'm sure I can do it in FIFA09 once this demo is done downloading.

Saying that it happens and frustrating is an argument to the realism of the game.

 

[Majora]

do you even understand what I posted? I dont think so. Players do not have sense of urgency when faced with important situations - such as in front of goal, or trying to save the ball out of out/corner, etc... they behave the same everywhere.

What does that have to do with running and passing?

This isn't true though. I'm always seeing players slide to try and get a cross or pass in before it rolls out of play. I've seen defenders shield the ball out for a goal kick and attackers waste time by the corner flag in the last five minutes of the game when they're winning 1-0

 

[Sykra]

do you even understand what I posted? I dont think so. Players do not have sense of urgency when faced with important situations - such as in front of goal, or trying to save the ball out of out/corner, etc... they behave the same everywhere.

What does that have to do with running and passing?

There is a sense of urgency, I have saved the ball from going out of the pitch by sliding with x, also stopped it from going to the other team by sliding as well or pushing through etc.

 

[-viper-]

I've just tried the FIFA demo and I personally think it's absolute shite.

The graphics look worse than PES2008, and the football is very slow and boring. In the four games I've played, I've only had 3 shots in total, and only one was on target.

I think PES2008 is a much better game than FIFA 09. A lot more sharper and enjoyable.

 

[dermannmitdemcolt]

I've just tried the FIFA demo and I personally think it's absolute shite.

The graphics look worse than PES2008, and the football is very slow and boring. In the four games I've played, I've only had 3 shots in total, and only one was on target.

I think PES2008 is a much better game than FIFA 09. A lot more sharper and enjoyable.

You need a reality check, mate. :lol

 

[Sykra]

I've just tried the FIFA demo and I personally think it's absolute shite.

The graphics look worse than PES2008, and the football is very slow and boring. In the four games I've played, I've only had 3 shots in total, and only one was on target.

I think PES2008 is a much better game than FIFA 09. A lot more sharper and enjoyable.

Blind? You suck at it?

 

[-viper-]

You need a reality check, mate. :lol

I checked on Gamersyde and it appears to look ten times better there.

Maybe the PS3 version is gimped, but from what I can see, the graphics don't look that good.

 

[okrim]

I checked on Gamersyde and it appears to look ten times better there.

Maybe the PS3 version is gimped, but from what I can see, the graphics don't look that good.

But worse of pes 08 is impossible...

 

[-viper-]

But worse of pes 08 is impossible...

FIFA 09 looks really dull and drab. Maybe I should take a few pictures to prove it.

The player models are awful too. They look like zombies.

 

[womfalcs3]

I checked on Gamersyde and it appears to look ten times better there.

Maybe the PS3 version is gimped, but from what I can see, the graphics don't look that good.

Yeah. It looks blurry on the field.

 

[DSN2K]

very impressive, this will be my first Fifa purchase since 95 on the Mega Drive.

 

[okrim]

FIFA 09 looks really dull and drab. Maybe I should take a few pictures to prove it.

The player models are awful too. They look like zombies.

Sorry but pes 08 it isn't better, don't joke. You don't appreciate the style, ok, but the graphic is better than pes 09, only the frame rate in the cutscenes is a shit.

 

[Steroyd]

Excuse me? PES is scripted as hell. If you want realistic and varied football, play Fifa.

You're reading it wrong.

What kaizoku means, is that after a couple of months you will just feel like not playing on Fifa anymore and trade it in for another new game say Killzone for example and not have a second thought about it, whereas with Pro Evo he could play it for so long that by time he wants to trade it in it'll be for PES 2010.

That's how I feel about Fifa after playing the demo, that's how i've always felt about Fifa even before I was introduced to the PES series, there's something about it that doesn't make me want to come back after I've played it for ages.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Lol, stop holding down the sprint button and try to PASS the ball around a little. In fifa you need build up play. It's not like PES2008 where you can run down a defence with players like C. Ronaldo.

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Hold on...:lol

LMAOOOO! FIFA, build up play UNLIKE PRO!!! Oh my...

 

[Shadow Moses]

Haven't seen it yet but:

PROS
- graphics (by far better than PES)
- online
- multiplay online
- career mode
- licences
- blablabla

CONS
- phisics of the ball. It still sucks. Since 199X.

Give me a real (not royal, just real) PES 2009 (not that shit of last year) and the battle is won again for me.

Well said. Everything but the physics keeps improving. The only issue I had with Fifa 08 was the physics of the ball and somewhat rail movement of players when you perform certain passes/through balls. Players tend to be controlled by the pass till they get the ball rather than the user have control all the way through. These two things are the only thing (and very important thing btw) PES still has over Fifa.

 

[Steroyd]

It's not like PES2008 where you can run down a defence with players like C. Ronaldo.

I'm sorry but if you can't run down a defence with C. Ronaldo this game automatically fails in the realism department. :lol :lol :lol

 

[Gamecocks625]

Well, today is a new day, and I'm going to keep giving this demo a shot. While I may not like it right now, I'm going to see if I can get a feel for it. I'm still leaning towards PES this year because I think Konami does a couple of things a bit better, but EA has finally put out a good soccer game. Long gone are the days of Madden and NCAA football being the king of EA Sports. I'd say that FIFA is now EA's best title. That's what happens when you have competition. Long live free markets, right? haha.

 

[Blablurn]

I agree with Steroyd. Played the Demo for pretty long now but the only thing that keeps me playing is the Be A Pro Mode. As Steroyd already said, there is something about the gameplay which does not feel right.

 

[Shadow Moses]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Hold on...:lol

LMAOOOO! FIFA, build up play UNLIKE PRO!!! Oh my...

He's right to an extent. You couldn't run down the defense in previous Pro Evo games but the shift to Next Gen has started a trend with 'special' players in the game. Players like Ronaldo, Adriano, Ronnie, Ibrahimovic, etc literally walk through defenders (you can check youtube for videos). Defenders should always have the advantage when facing a striker. Something the Fifa programmers understand. The Pro 5 engine needs to be put back in the current games.

 

[kaizoku]

Excuse me? PES is scripted as hell. If you want realistic and varied football, play Fifa.

you're right it is scripted, I've bitched about PES as much as anyone. But thats not my point here.

My point is ok both games have a learning curve, when you start out, both games might be comparable, but PES's curve goes higher. I feel like I can do more with the ball in PES. Just as an example, if I'm one on one with the keeper in PES, I can manouvre my player's balance ever so slightly and slide the ball under his body. Thats slightly different from hitting it into the far bottom corner, but thats the level of control I feel I have in PES (or had anyway, next-gen versions have been shit). I can even manouvre my player's body so that a regular shot becomes a lob over the oncoming keeper (without pressing any lob buttons, its just manipulating the physics of the player and the ball).

But I need to play FIFA more and see how far I can go with it. I have to say with FIFA it doesn't feel like I'm manipulating a player but more like a big bus and instead of manipulating a ball I'm just pressing buttons which do things on screen - I dont feel that connect yet, but we'll see. I'm still hopeful.

I don't know how you guys play football, but balls DO ping around the football pitch - provided you get it right. Football is played at what feels like 100mph at times, its only the skillfull players who can slow it down.

From what I read in here, FIFA 09 is purposely slow and its only the good players who can do quick plays. Thats the wrong way round. I hate when PES games slow it down as well. If you have a quick player like Ronaldo he should be able to beat players, it shouldnt be practically locked out of the game for "realism".

I just came back from an exhausting football match and it felt nothing like FIFA! Make of that what you will.

 

[Majora]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Hold on...:lol

LMAOOOO! FIFA, build up play UNLIKE PRO!!! Oh my...

Why do PES fanboys insist on using arguments from five years ago? FIFA 08 and 09 need lots of careful build up play. You'll get nowhere trying to spring through the defence. Unlike PES 2008 : Pinball Edition

It's funny how peoples arguments change when it suits them. I remember when people said PES was better because it was harder to dribble than FIFA and you couldn't score as many. Now PES is better because it's easier to dribble and get more shots away. Keep moving those goalposts:lol

 

[Regret Truth]

Biggest complaint? The way the players feel. Maybe I need to adjust to this whole first touch and FIFA-ness, but I hate that I have an analogue stick as my only method of control yet I have a button for slow dribble and sprint. WTF?

I should be able to tilt the stick gently to control and walk slowly, small nimble shifts of balance etc. Why is it these top class athletes turn like buses when I'm just using the analogue on its own? Thats not how human beings walk, we can turn surprisingly quick unless we're running!

There should be walking on the analogue, run button and maybe another sprint button or tab run to sprint.

Or maybe I just need to adapt to analogue, but I doubt it, analogues should be fairly natural, when I tilt it gently I don't expect my guy to try a big ass turn. Small neat movements dammit.

My biggest gripe with the game right now. I've got to constantly remember to hold LT for "slow" dribble, which isnt slow enough.

 

[On The Edge of Insanity]

Not really feeling this. Its certainly an improvement over 08 in terms of responsiveness - I actually feel in control this time - but there is still not that razor sharp precision I feel when playing PES. It is like I have to take an extra second or do to think before doing what I want to do, whereas with PES I can see the opportunity and am able to take it that split-second.

The animation of the players is good, but the graphics in general are not particularly great. The licensed shirts and the names and numbers are terrible, and spoil any feeling of immersion. What is the point of EA forking out for all these licenses if they are just going to butcher them. The Chelsea shirt is laughable.

Gameplay wise, there is enough of an improvement for me to consider buying the game for the multiplayer aspect. However, knowing that everyone online will be using different amounts of manual control has put me off even doing that, as it is not a level playing field.

Barring a disaster it looks like it'll just be PES for me again this year.

 

[Tr4nce]

Only have one thing to say:

I am in fucking love with the demo. Can't wait for FIFA09 to release. It feels so much better than 2008. More responsive, faster, and when players collide, it just feels good.

 

[mr_bishiuk]

You need a reality check, mate. :lol

No I agree with him PES08 looks gritty, Fifa has far better character models but looks to shiny and bright and computerish

 

[mr_bishiuk]

Every new FIfa come out the forums get over excited at first and say its better than PES, I dearly want it to be because i want to buy the game with all the licenses as I want to play as my Team!! But every year I play the demo and its the same story, its just no where near as good.

 

[dk_]

:lol :lol :lol :lol

Hold on...:lol

LMAOOOO! FIFA, build up play UNLIKE PRO!!! Oh my...

He's right. Some players in PES let you bulldoze through the defense.

 

[dermannmitdemcolt]

I'm astonished that people here still defend the disaster, that PES has become. I loved the series for years but it's over. It simply (and sadly) holds no candle to next gen Fifa.

He's right. Some players in PES let you bulldoze through the defense.

In PES2008 you tap X three times, then run like hell and then...you are in front of the goal. There is no build up play.

 

[Mecha_Infantry]

Why do PES fanboys insist on using arguments from five years ago? FIFA 08 and 09 need lots of careful build up play. You'll get nowhere trying to spring through the defence. Unlike PES 2008 : Pinball Edition

It's funny how peoples arguments change when it suits them. I remember when people said PES was better because it was harder to dribble than FIFA and you couldn't score as many. Now PES is better because it's easier to dribble and get more shots away. Keep moving those goalposts:lol

Far from a fan boy, but I have been playing Pro since the 00's, and the ISS iterations. I chose PES over FIFA every year because it has been the better game, not because I am a fan boy

As for the goalposts being moved, that's whatever. Different people use different arguments, but at the end of the day the shambles that PES08 was, it still had its qualities for people who KNOW how to play the game with the midfield. You guys just gotta up your competition and realise the way PES should be played.

 

[Melfice7]

Thank god for demos, for the first time in 10 years i was on the fence duo to the de-evolution of PES since PES 6 on PS2.

Was expecting much more, yes i played with everything in manual, the gameplay feels..fake, ball physics are bad, i see people saying passing and shooting are greatly improved, dear god their horrible IMO

The only thing i liked were the penaltys. Definitly wont be buying this

 

[RamzaIsCool]

Played the demo for about a hour, here is my review: Didn't like it, will buy PES2009.

Is it me or is the alternate control setup exactly like PES default setup?

 

[AstroLad]

It's fantastic.

I'm going to try and force Cornballer to run the club but if he wont I will. We're suggesting a purchase for the 360 as you'll get to play with Cornballer, QVT, Eric WK, Karakand, Gowans, Mmarsu, haderaud, and plenty of others exclusively only on xbox 360 this fall!

Also I take all freekicks and Kara gets to be a "defender"

sounds great. hopefully we can have a nice standard premiership and a big gaf clan as well. the promotion/relegation aspect has me really intrigued. very interested to see all the online features actually but this will likely be my most played game the rest of the year regardless

 

[woodchuck]

jesus christ. it's the same arguments in every fucking pes/fifa thread.

im hoping we can have a regular table format with any team (and not just the teams in one league).

 

[StriKeVillain]

I love this demo. It's zippier than Euro but not unrealistic. I can't stand the through ball though. It's shit now.

 

[AstroLad]

I love this demo. It's zippier than Euro but not unrealistic. I can't stand the through ball though. It's shit now.

did you change it to auto? it's manual on default i just switched it to auto before i started and it feels just like euro, just a little zippier as you allude to. actually got a goal on a through ball and a couple other chances

 

[Ilparazzo]

You have to love the PES/FIFA wars :lol

I enjoyed the 09 demo far more then I enjoyed the other FIFA games, maybe this year I'll make the jump from PES to FIFA, even if there are some things I still feel only PES can provide, the last PES iterations have been dissapointing to say the least, but I'll hold on for the PES demo first.

As for the graphics, does it really matter? I see a lot of people using that a huge point FIFA has over PES (and they really are better) but shouldn't the gameplay be the most important thing in a game? Especially sports games. Maybe it's just me, because I'm crazy.