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Fifa09 Demo is up (PS360)

albz74 said:
How much is much ?

I played PS3 version and it doesn't feel slow or unresponsive to me. Absolutely no problems. I understand that the player has his weight and momentum, he won't instantly halt or turn etc.

If people are finding almost same builds different, there will never be the identical versions of multiplatform games.
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They are not the exact same.

The lighting in the 360 demo is better for a start, whether it's just because the PS3 version is supposed to be later in the day I don't know.

Visually, it does look sharper and for me it feels much better on the 360 controller.
 
hukasmokincaterpillar said:
After giving the PS3 demo a few more runs last night I wondered if the game was upscaling because the IQ looked degraded to me for some reason. Sure enough the demo defaults to 1080i/p (whatever is highest on your display setting). After manually setting 720p it looks clearer and might even run a little smoother. Haven't tried the 360 demo yet so I'm not sure how it compares now, but you definitely want to run the game in its native res.
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Ah I didn't know the game upscaled to 1080i. That's most likely why it felt so blurry. I'll give it another shot at 720p.
 
downloaded the ps3 demo

1080 is blurry with laggy controls.

720 is sharp and jaggy with improved control responsiveness.

250 changes, yet they still leave the game with shitty unresponsive controls. :lol
 
I play all my 360 games in 1080p, i know it's not really 1080p plus I only have a component 360 but all the games still look great on my pos vizio lcd.

That said I havnt played the ps3 demo yet I have to finish downloading it.

Game is epic though I cant wait, I'll give metal gear soccer a shot but my expectations aren't too high.
 
Playing this demo makes me want PES2009. It's just so boring to play. I was so hyped for FIFA this year but the gameplay is so dull. There are about 3 variations of goals you can score. I don't care if it's "more real" but playing 9 out of the 10 minutes around the centre circle just passing it around in "build up play" is boring as hell. PES2009 demo next week plz!
 
FabCam said:
Playing this demo makes me want PES2009. It's just so boring to play. I was so hyped for FIFA this year but the gameplay is so dull. There are about 3 variations of goals you can score. I don't care if it's "more real" but playing 9 out of the 10 minutes around the centre circle just passing it around in "build up play" is boring as hell. PES2009 demo next week plz!
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Yeah not really. Also this is almost word for word the first thing people say when they initially play PES and suck at it (referring to PS2 days, I don't even consider the next-gen versions PES proper--and I think Seabass has concurred--except for maybe the Wii version which is at least revolutionary, rest have been absolute rip-offs and abortions, especially for those of us who actually like to, you know, play others online).

Enjoy PES.
 
Paranoid_Robot said:
They are not the exact same.

The lighting in the 360 demo is better for a start, whether it's just because the PS3 version is supposed to be later in the day I don't know.
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Yup, as far as I remember folks at EA were saying in some interviews that they finished X360 version first then moved on to PS3 which was in development even longer. In the end they are supposed to be the same.

As for the demos - it would really be nice if they gave the look and feel of the retail build, sometimes it's like night and day between demo and retail.
 
Oh wow this looks really awesome, makes WE really look like an upscaled last-gen game. :lol Gameplay-wise it's pretty fun, but it seems like I have more control over the players in WE. I might get it on the cheap.
 
AstroLad said:
Yeah not really. Also this is almost word for word the first thing people say when they initially play PES and suck at it (referring to PS2 days, I don't even consider the next-gen versions PES proper--and I think Seabass has concurred--except for maybe the Wii version which is at least revolutionary, rest have been absolute rip-offs and abortions, especially for those of us who actually like to, you know, play others online).

Enjoy PES.
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seeing as almost all my multiplayer playtime on football games is local multi player, I'm not so dependent on an online mode. I know PES sucks at online, but I rarely use it so it's not much of an issue for me. In terms of gameplay though, PES is still the better game. FIFA is so boring to play. The controls are so unresponsive and makes it harder to play than it needs to be.
 
FabCam said:
seeing as almost all my multiplayer playtime on football games is local multi player, I'm not so dependent on an online mode. I know PES sucks at online, but I rarely use it so it's not much of an issue for me. In terms of gameplay though, PES is still the better game. FIFA is so boring to play. The controls are so unresponsive and makes it harder to play than it needs to be.
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I hear you on the first point. Different strokes. As to the absolute proclamations of which "gameplay" is "better" I'm not even going to bother anymore, see the other 500 posts in this thread about people claiming that the series they have spent 99% of their time with is "better" to see where that goes.
 
AstroLad said:
I hear you on the first point. Different strokes. As to the absolute proclamations of which "gameplay" is "better" I'm not even going to bother anymore, see the other 500 posts in this thread about people claiming that the series they have spent 99% of their time with is "better" to see where that goes.
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I'm not saying that people are wrong in liking FIFA, but for me the controls are so unresponsive and it kills the gameplay. If you enjoy FIFA, good for you. This is the FIFA demo thread so I just posted my opinions on the demo. :D
 
This demo was really good. The AI seems a bit smarter this time around, I love that players on the run will raise their arm or point where they want you to pass. Also like seeing the referee and linesman in the game as well. It always bugged me that they were never included in 08.
 
aggro crag said:
This demo was really good. The AI seems a bit smarter this time around, I love that players on the run will raise their arm or point where they want you to pass. Also like seeing the referee and linesman in the game as well. It always bugged me that they were never included in 08.
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Indeed. It makes the game...well, the players...more alive. It's the little things like this that Konami had been doing for years with the PS2 versions of Winning Eleven and Pro Evo. Now that EA is including these "little" things in FIFA on next-gen is a good sign. They've absolutely nailed the animations. While they may not be as responsive as some people like, they are a beauty to watch.

I swear, I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship. I'll play the demo, walk away thinking "I just can't get into it!". And what happens? A couple of hours later, I come crawling back for more abuse. :lol
 
I'll admit I'm a long term PES player (last fifa was 95) but I am not impartial to trying something new. In some ways I was hoping for Fifa to blow PES away this year because the game looks great, mainly due to the animations but also because they hold the fifa license. And Seabass put in such a shit effort last year (sluggish framerate, unplayable online)

Anyway I downloaded the demo ad configured the controls to my liking and got into the game.

Things Fifa does better
+ menus
+ graphics
+ Animations

So as other have said, the gameplay feels unresponsive. On one occasion I had a few metres between myself and a defender with a player on a run down the wing, wde open. I pressed though ball with plenty of time yet the defender got their first.

Anyway, I thought it may have been that I just wasn't used to the controls/gameplay so I played through another 10 times, mixing it up between teams. Still the same.

There just seems to be loads more control in PES. It just feels more natural. It could have something to do with the 13 years of playing with it but I feel I gave the Fifa demo enough time to convince me and it didn't.

I hope PES steps up to the plate in terms of online and framerate. From what Ive heard the Fifa players get a smooth online experience almost everytime. I am jealous.
 
A lot of people brought up the idea of realism that in FIFA you have to build up play, and it's not a 100 meter dash competition. So that got me interested in seeing some tourney level play.

So I searched the web for some vids, and what I see in stuff like WCG is the same type of gameplay. People doing pinball 1 touch in midfield, run as fast as possible up the wings, they even cross into the box while the player is facing away from the center of the field. Ball bouncing all over the place in the box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hGX6WKIDE&feature=related

Looks like everyone spamming Barca as well.

I never really considered those things as unrealistic, as they do happen in real life, but I wish people would stop saying that they aren't in FIFA cause it is, as it is in WE as well.
 
Srider said:
I never really considered those things as unrealistic, as they do happen in real life, but I wish people would stop saying that they aren't in FIFA cause it is, as it is in WE as well.
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Yep although to be fair Euro was pretty big change from FIFA. I actually wasn't that into FIFA 08 but Euro got me into the series and I'm hopeful that FIFA 09 continues the improvement upon FIFA 08 that Euro started. I have no idea how this would impact "tournament-level" play or anything but the game very much has a different (imo better than FIFA 08) feel.

Also in terms of spamming I don't think anyone will ever beat Adriano in PES 2007 aka the most overpowered and unstoppable force in sports gaming since Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson.
 
Big deception for me. Fifa is an astounding achievement in terms of graphics, animation and presentation. But the game feels unresponsive, I don't feel the controls as much as I did on Euro 2008. More realism mustn't be at the expense of the control we have of the action.

I put my hopes on PES 2009 to get my soccer fix.
 
The more I played it, the less I enjoyed it. I have to agree with many posters saying that its boring. I still feel that I lack the precise controls (a big fifa complaint for years).

It's any easy choice for me now.... PES or bust.
 
marc^o^ said:
Big deception for me. Fifa is an astounding achievement in terms of graphics, animation and presentation. But the game feels unresponsive, I don't feel the controls as much as I did on Euro 2008. More realism mustn't be at the expense of the control we have of the action.
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What system are you playing it on? On 360 here, and regardless of how "responsive" the game may feel compared to that series which shall not be named, it's much more "responsive" than Euro (though I'll withhold judgment as to how great of a thing that is until I actually get to dig into the online play).
 
PS3 on experimented with "other" control set up ( which is a nice and easy way to retrieve PES configuration).
 
I think no matter how much the game changes, at high level play people will figure out how to exploit it. As long as people play 5 min matches, there is really no time for build up play. It's also really up to the players themselves to play a realistic game. I think the real problem that these games have to deal with in terms of realism is fatigue.
 
Srider said:
A lot of people brought up the idea of realism that in FIFA you have to build up play, and it's not a 100 meter dash competition. So that got me interested in seeing some tourney level play.

So I searched the web for some vids, and what I see in stuff like WCG is the same type of gameplay. People doing pinball 1 touch in midfield, run as fast as possible up the wings, they even cross into the box while the player is facing away from the center of the field. Ball bouncing all over the place in the box.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_hGX6WKIDE&feature=related

Looks like everyone spamming Barca as well.

I never really considered those things as unrealistic, as they do happen in real life, but I wish people would stop saying that they aren't in FIFA cause it is, as it is in WE as well.
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Only in pes will going down the wing cutting inside near the line passing into the centre equal a goal everytime. Its a flaw in the ai of pes which makes it near impossible to defend against. Im not saying fifa is perfect but it has become the real football sim that pes held last gen. Pes has become a joke tbh i hope they bring it back this time or it might be time for seabass and his team to hand over the development to a new team.
 
marc^o^ said:
PS3 on experimented with "other" control set up ( which is a nice and easy way to retrieve PES configuration).
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yep "alternate" that's what i use too. made the transition pretty flawless other than just a week or so of getting used to the game and deprogramming the hundreds of hours of pes play in my brain.
 
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AstroLad said:
yep "alternate" that's what i use too. made the transition pretty flawless other than just a week or so of getting used to the game and deprogramming the hundreds of hours of pes play in my brain.
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Astro, how (if possible) can you make your player run after you have just passed it ala PES.
 
supermackem said:
Only in pes will going down the wing cutting inside near the line passing into the centre equal a goal everytime. Its a flaw in the ai of pes which makes it near impossible to defend against.
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It's not impossible and that's happened to me in the Fifa demo a few times.
 
Steroyd said:
It's not impossible and that's happened to me in the Fifa demo a few times.
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Hopefully the lag is sorted in PES this year and we can have a few cross continent matches mate.
 
Steroyd said:
It's not impossible and that's happened to me in the Fifa demo a few times.
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I think most of these complaints about gameplay, can't defend/can't do shit, stems from people not knowing how to play defense correctly. Defenders don't try to tackle right when they get close to the ball, especially if they are the last man. They sit there in front of them first, and try to get into a good position. If you are getting beat when they cut inwards at the wings, keep your guy inwards so he'll have to run to the outside. This will force him to make a long cross if he does, or he'll cut inward right into your defender.

Still, why should you expect to be successful in EVERY tackle? Even the best defenders in the world can get beat on a weekly basis. I'm just don't know where the logic is in that "I lost, so this game in unrealistic."
 
Me and my brother are pro evo vets and he very rarely scores on me from the wings. I always tend to get in the way and block it into touch.

And it doesn't result in a goal every time against the AI.
 
Despite my criticisms of the game I will probably be buying it to give it a more thorough playthrough. PES is still dead to me so hopefully FIFA or PES will be able to live up to my expectations this time.

What difficuty are you guys playing on?

I'm having the same problems I had with FIFA 08 really, I feel a disconnect and while new football games always feel alien, the better you get at them the more natural they're supposed to feel.

With FIFA its the other way around. I feel like the better I get at the game and the more I push the boundaries of whats possible, the more frustrated I become at the limitations placed on me. Its really a shame cos they've added some super hardcore/advanced things like skills etc but they mean nothing to me if the basics feel wrong.

I feel like I'm only barely in control of who I pass to with the ball often going to the wrong person and I can't explain why, the game just gets the angle wrong (cos it sure as hell isnt my fault! /user testing). Shooting feels a little automated, like there's only a couple of kind of kicks you can do, directions barely make a difference it seems.

Its the whole plateau and subtlety argument I raised earlier. Its like golf games, it doesn't feel like you're playing golf in the slightest, you are pressing buttons and then watching shit happen. This is how FIFA feels to me. I charge a shot and watch it happen.

In PES I feel like I can stroke the ball along the grass or loft it in the air to the precise place I want it to based on how I press the button, which way my player is facing, what speed he is going at and what direction I press. Doesn't always go right, but I feel like I understand why it went wrong. In FIFA it feels like most of this is irrelevent and it just feels shallow.

every match feels the same, every goal, pass, tackle. very palateable game of football but it lacks a certain finesse.

I suppose it all boils down to the physics engines.
 
kaizoku said:
Despite my criticisms of the game I will probably be buying it to give it a more thorough playthrough. PES is still dead to me so hopefully FIFA or PES will be able to live up to my expectations this time.

What difficuty are you guys playing on?

I'm having the same problems I had with FIFA 08 really, I feel a disconnect and while new football games always feel alien, the better you get at them the more natural they're supposed to feel.

With FIFA its the other way around. I feel like the better I get at the game and the more I push the boundaries of whats possible, the more frustrated I become at the limitations placed on me. Its really a shame cos they've added some super hardcore/advanced things like skills etc but they mean nothing to me if the basics feel wrong.

I feel like I'm only barely in control of who I pass to with the ball often going to the wrong person and I can't explain why, the game just gets the angle wrong (cos it sure as hell isnt my fault! /user testing). Shooting feels a little automated, like there's only a couple of kind of kicks you can do, directions barely make a difference it seems.

Its the whole plateau and subtlety argument I raised earlier. Its like golf games, it doesn't feel like you're playing golf in the slightest, you are pressing buttons and then watching shit happen. This is how FIFA feels to me. I charge a shot and watch it happen.

In PES I feel like I can stroke the ball along the grass or loft it in the air to the precise place I want it to based on how I press the button, which way my player is facing, what speed he is going at and what direction I press. Doesn't always go right, but I feel like I understand why it went wrong. In FIFA it feels like most of this is irrelevent and it just feels shallow.

every match feels the same, every goal, pass, tackle. very palateable game of football but it lacks a certain finesse.

I suppose it all boils down to the physics engines.
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are you playing with assisted/semi or manual controls?
 
I was going to ask a similar thing, about the assisted/manual controls. I am playing on Semi and I don't feel players are unresponsive or that I am not in control of who I pass the ball to. I assume this is even more pronounced with fully manual controls.

Maybe try some different settings and see if it makes a difference?
 
kobashi100 said:
are you playing with assisted/semi or manual controls?
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oh right I was on assisted, switching to semi is much better.

I will persevere with the game until I'm good enough to win consistently on hard/medium and then see where I stand with it.

I still find myself getting frustrated with the basic gameplay mechanics and 'feel' of the game i.e. shielding the ball, turning with it, trying to make space for yourself or lining yourself up for a shot - all feels a little clunky and unrealistic.

If FIFA can improve this much it gives me some hope for PES as well.
 
I usually like holding the ball for a second or two then delivering a pass that takes out 1 or 2 players, I can't seem to do that right in Fifa.

Shielding the ball you have to hold the run button and you hold the shot modifyer to let the ball go through your legs.
 
Dizzan said:
I'll admit I'm a long term PES player (last fifa was 95) but I am not impartial to trying something new. In some ways I was hoping for Fifa to blow PES away this year because the game looks great, mainly due to the animations but also because they hold the fifa license. And Seabass put in such a shit effort last year (sluggish framerate, unplayable online)

Anyway I downloaded the demo ad configured the controls to my liking and got into the game.

Things Fifa does better
+ menus
+ graphics
+ Animations

So as other have said, the gameplay feels unresponsive. On one occasion I had a few metres between myself and a defender with a player on a run down the wing, wde open. I pressed though ball with plenty of time yet the defender got their first.

Anyway, I thought it may have been that I just wasn't used to the controls/gameplay so I played through another 10 times, mixing it up between teams. Still the same.

There just seems to be loads more control in PES. It just feels more natural. It could have something to do with the 13 years of playing with it but I feel I gave the Fifa demo enough time to convince me and it didn't.

I hope PES steps up to the plate in terms of online and framerate. From what Ive heard the Fifa players get a smooth online experience almost everytime. I am jealous.
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and then they call me crazy eh?

Problem is that FIFA waits for you to be in perfect position to hit the ball - so that causes the delay. It doesnt account for times when you just want to hit the ball with your last strenght to get it out of the opponents reach.

As to the realism - going back between FIFA 2008 and PES 08 was huge difference, you had to get used to how fast PES was (like they are on some drugs), but from FIFA 09 demo - not so much anymore.

It is just the little things that could be fixed easily for FIFA, but they have been like that forever. You just dont feel it while playing.
 
Just got the PC demo tonight.
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It looks good
during replays, goal kicks, and I think during free kicks. The rest of the time it looks pixelated, and the character models don't look very detailed. Am I doing something wrong?
 
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