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Fighting Games Weekly | June 15-21 | 16 is barely okay
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Karsticles
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It's good for any game. Just think about the necessary physical movement to tap a direction twice, and compare it with pushing two buttons simultaneously. The two-button push always produces faster, smoother gameplay. I consider it good basic game design.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I like double tap for dash for SF, especially when playing on pad.
2 buttons is not easier for me.
2 buttons is not easier for me.
God, I love you Karsticles.
I also tell my friends that it would take SF to the next step when it came to movement, but they were against it. ;_;
Karsticles
Member
Everyone is different. I can see why it would be reverse on a pad, and I kind of agree. That's why there should be an option for both. Let people use what they are comfortable with. Personally, I have trouble double tapping to the right. Something about moving my hand inward toward my chest is difficult for me. I have practiced the motion a lot, and I still mess it up.
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I don't see how anyone can be against the option, at least.
CountBlack
Member
Honzo Gonzo probably
Coffeeling
Member
Yup.
The actual solution is requiring you to stand to tech throws.
We could have it like VSav where teching Zabel's kick throw leaves Zabel at +11 :>
Man, nothing but the scummiest shit for you huh
CommandThrower
Member
Thinking about V-Trigger as a mechanic makes me think that certain characters from SF have a good chance of returning.
Like, if Juri returned, her V-Trigger would probably be Feng Shui Engine/ultra 1. Likewise with Q, maybe his V-Trigger could be a take on his Super 3 from Third Strike.
Ah, the possibilities.
Like, if Juri returned, her V-Trigger would probably be Feng Shui Engine/ultra 1. Likewise with Q, maybe his V-Trigger could be a take on his Super 3 from Third Strike.
Ah, the possibilities.
Coffeeling
Member
If you look at things VSav characters have, pretty much everyone has something completely silly like that.
Buttons with ridiculous frame advantages (Felicia can OS throw with a button that's +11 on block and catches jump outs for example, and she's isn't even top tier), BB Hood has an aerial mid that freezes your block so you may have to block low while she's in the air (high-mid(freeze)-low you can't block or normal high/high air string), there are hits in things that are randomly unblockable (Zabel's meaty j.lk is certainly the most useful one but not the only one), and so on. It's a really dirty game.
Karsticles
Member
Why don't you ever talk like this, Blackule?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=168807704&postcount=120
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Options are cool for both to me. I would never want it just 2 buttons though. That's tough with a 6 button game on a pad for me. I have trouble using the L shoulder buttons, so even binding it would suck. With stick I can handle both ways.
CountBlack
Member
He hasn't been tested. He hasn't been through what I've been through. He doesn't understand the struggle.
Real talk tho, Deejay has to be in SFV. It's only right.
I don't mind two button dashes in SF because I like that small burden of execution playing a role in footsies (assuming the SF game has good dashes like SF3 or Alpha). Being able to perform dashes off the cuff at any moment kinda diminishes the skill involved in that aspect of the game. It's fine in a game like Marvel since there's so many different ways to separate yourself from the next player, skill-wise, but in a game like SF, KOF or GG (Runs in the latter cases), I prefer the double input, since those games tend to be (slightly) slower paced. A 3-frame buffer similar to Xrd's I find perfect.
sixteen-bit
Member
Anyone think we'll get Final Fight reps this time around?
I need cody.
Cody is the jam.
Put all the final fight peeps who have been in the games before , except sodom because he's lame.
Eagle I think
Eagle is from SF1.
My main pet peeve with button dashing: When the input overlaps with defensive techniques and other things, producing ugly/"inexplicable" dashes in real matches.
For example, if dashing was to be tied to Punches in SFV, an Alpha Counter (f+PPP) input late would produce a dash.
In Guilty Gear at least, there are scenarios where the attacker will use a low-blockstun move and time a late frame-trap off of it, expecting the opponent to fail the instant-Alpha Counter in that window and get a normal's startup instead. If this approach was to produce a Street Fighter dash instead, the attacker wouldn't even have to frame trap, but rather could just confirm the whiffed dash and punish with their max-damage opener.
What would that add to the game, other than a lazy opportunity for a max-damage punish, a saltier defender, and questions from newer viewers who can't wrap their heads around why the second player would just "randomly" dash forward in pressure?
Button dashing fits fine in Marvel, imo. Wave-dashing and plink dashing is it's own thing, and stuff like OS'ing throws with movement makes sense in a game that hectic. It's a feature. I take a bit more of an issue with it in Skullgirls, where it was only included as an execution aid and for the (one?) character that plink-dashes as a Marvel homage, but at least backdashes from failed push blocks usually only get punished hard in the corner. In Street Fighter, with how much of a commitment dashes are, the idea of more accidental dashes makes me shudder.
That said, I'm really good with a stick and take a lot of pleasure out of high-stick motion games, so I'm biased. (I even do all my airdashes using stick motions with Ms. Fortune in SG.)
For example, if dashing was to be tied to Punches in SFV, an Alpha Counter (f+PPP) input late would produce a dash.
In Guilty Gear at least, there are scenarios where the attacker will use a low-blockstun move and time a late frame-trap off of it, expecting the opponent to fail the instant-Alpha Counter in that window and get a normal's startup instead. If this approach was to produce a Street Fighter dash instead, the attacker wouldn't even have to frame trap, but rather could just confirm the whiffed dash and punish with their max-damage opener.
What would that add to the game, other than a lazy opportunity for a max-damage punish, a saltier defender, and questions from newer viewers who can't wrap their heads around why the second player would just "randomly" dash forward in pressure?
Button dashing fits fine in Marvel, imo. Wave-dashing and plink dashing is it's own thing, and stuff like OS'ing throws with movement makes sense in a game that hectic. It's a feature. I take a bit more of an issue with it in Skullgirls, where it was only included as an execution aid and for the (one?) character that plink-dashes as a Marvel homage, but at least backdashes from failed push blocks usually only get punished hard in the corner. In Street Fighter, with how much of a commitment dashes are, the idea of more accidental dashes makes me shudder.
That said, I'm really good with a stick and take a lot of pleasure out of high-stick motion games, so I'm biased. (I even do all my airdashes using stick motions with Ms. Fortune in SG.)
atomic moth
Member
Sodom hopefully. They can change his name now though.
Just to clarify, there is no PC beta for SF5? Preordering will only get you the PS4 beta?
Preordering on the PS4 now gets you into the beta in July. PC beta coming sometime in the fall if you preorder on Steam.
http://shoryuken.com/2015/06/16/street-fighter-v-pc-beta-planned-for-fall/
http://shoryuken.com/2015/06/16/street-fighter-v-pc-beta-planned-for-fall/
July beta is exclusive to PS4.
The fall beta will be for both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oRaau8hzZE
Digital Foundry did a FPS test, only framerate drops are in character intros. Also, characters in the background refresh at half rate.
Digital Foundry did a FPS test, only framerate drops are in character intros. Also, characters in the background refresh at half rate.
sixteen-bit
Member
I wonder if they have the background refresh that way so it doesn't distract from the foreground.
If anything, it's even more distracting to me because I'm noticing the background characters are in slomo compared to the fighters.
Oh shit! Great news if true!
Ryu and Cammy were the real downers for me. In fact, I'm less excited about the game overall after yesterday. Could easily be because people don't know how to play yet, but outside Justin's Bison and Xian's Nash, the game doesn't look very fun atm. It's heading in the right direction though.
Damage has been done.
Lets just hope HVS and Other Ocean go out of business. Those games and their histories are beyond any level of acceptability.
Personally I'd rather them learn how to become better studios and get their projects out properly than to wish people lose their jobs. That's just me though.
Ryu definitely needs something more, he feels underdeveloped compared to the others.
QisTopTier
XisBannedTier
Donkey Kick
fuck yeah
For sure.
They should also consider letting him cancel the parry animation into special moves if they don't want to give him a 3S parry.
Cosmo Clock 21
Banned
Never go beyond jiggly
Right now Birdie felt the least developed to me. Ryu felt pretty complete and viable as a final release character.
sixteen-bit
Member
prolly not gonna do it for plot reasons but we need a Ryu with Oro moves eventually!
The only thing Ryu doesn't have that his SFIV incarnation has is the focus. People are just not doing more complex combos or using different things, for obvious reasons.
Cammy tho....she needs some SERIOUS work. Her V-trigger is terrible, by far the worst so far. It's a timer and each special she does consumes ~40% of it
Cammy tho....she needs some SERIOUS work. Her V-trigger is terrible, by far the worst so far. It's a timer and each special she does consumes ~40% of it
Wait. There's two betas that aren't just PS4 first, then PC later?
If that's the case I think we can all kiss goodbye the idea of any other characters in the upcoming beta.
We'll test what's here now and the netcode, then the second wave beta will add more characters, balance changes to the originals, and improved net code options.
How so?
His normals seemed great, lots of ways to grab people and deal with projectiles, great combos and damage with quick and safe hit confirms, power up and armor moves, psuedo projectiles like that beverage can, banana etc.
Easily seemed like one of the better characters so far.
Don't think any of his moves would fit Ryu >_>
a lot of times when trying to defend against him some of my pokes would go right through his normals and even if they were long ranged pokes, he would land the hit without taking damage or trading.
The game still got a year to go. Hopefully all your complaints and concerns will be addressed by the time it comes out but I see where you coming from. The game somehow to me felt figured out already which indicates how bare bones the system and characters are right. Once again though it's an early build of the game
Tizoc
Member
I plan on pre-ordering by the end of the month, can anyone who pre-orders AFTER July get into the beta still?
I was referring to the tools/moves the characters had access to currently, not how finished they were on the technical side (it is an unfinished game after all).
SixMachine
Member
Nerdjosh made her sound like she was pretty good and thinks she had potential. He said that the V-trigger made her specials safe and the fact that she can crossover with them gave her some tricky mixup. Basically from the sound of it, when she activates she can get a good and rather safe opportunity to open the other person up. If the mode was on only a timer, I think it sounds potentially too good because it would give her multiple mixup opportunities in a timeframe, which seems like something they want to avoid.