Shadowlink
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Yeah! Because everyone posting in this thread also post in the import thread.Kagari said:
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Final Fantasy XIII Information Thread | March 9, 2010 NA/EU
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As long as the story isnt uncessarly complicated, the soundtrack is awesome, and the combat system is fun, i'm good.
I just hope they take and refine FFXIII's battle system whenever FF XV rolls around. Minus the whole AI controlled party members thing of course.
And as far as XII goes, game would've been so much better with a battle system similar to an improved X / X-2 system like XIII. Just the natural progression of the standard FF system.
I just hope they take and refine FFXIII's battle system whenever FF XV rolls around. Minus the whole AI controlled party members thing of course.
And as far as XII goes, game would've been so much better with a battle system similar to an improved X / X-2 system like XIII. Just the natural progression of the standard FF system.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't there always some kind of backlash to every Final Fantasy game? Or at the very least, the last few within the main series. I remember when ten came out, most professional reviews were really positive, with the odd one being underwhelmed, or disappointed. Unless I'm missing something, isn't that what's happening with XIII so far?
As far as fan reaction goes, I'm dead positive that every recent main Final Fantasy title has proven to be initially divisive, before generally becoming more positively embraced even by those who don't consider it one of their favourites.
What's my point? I seem to be hearing bad unsettling things underneath the surface of all this hype, and I seem to be getting the impression from others (not in this thread in particular) that it's the first time a Final Fantasy game hasn't turned out to be everything people thought it would be..but as far as memory serves me, this seems to be a pretty common reception. Thoughts?
What has the fan reaction overall been like in Japan?
As far as fan reaction goes, I'm dead positive that every recent main Final Fantasy title has proven to be initially divisive, before generally becoming more positively embraced even by those who don't consider it one of their favourites.
What's my point? I seem to be hearing bad unsettling things underneath the surface of all this hype, and I seem to be getting the impression from others (not in this thread in particular) that it's the first time a Final Fantasy game hasn't turned out to be everything people thought it would be..but as far as memory serves me, this seems to be a pretty common reception. Thoughts?
What has the fan reaction overall been like in Japan?
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Secret_Riddle said:
Not really reliable but Amazon reviewers gave it 3 stars out of 5, same with FFXII.
So for those guys who played FFXIII, how would you rank this game (starting from FFVI - FFXII)?
Shadowlink said:Yeah! Because everyone posting in this thread also post in the import thread.
/shrug. All spoilers are marked in there.
Deadly Monk said:
Off the top of my head...
The Promise
Defiers of Fate
Ragnarok
In the Sky that Night
Flash
Lightning's Theme
Sazh's Theme
Sunleth Waterscape
Hope's Theme
Nautilus
Cocoon de Chocobo
Fang's Theme
Born Anew
Sinful Hope
Fabula Nova Crystallis
Miracles
Were all really solid.
riceandbeans
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Secret_Riddle said:
If 2ch is anything to go by, the reaction has been bad. Lots of people slammed it for being too linear and melodramatic and there are reports the game is being resold in Japan for as little as 10 bucks. That and supposedly sales have dropped. But again, the interweb boards are filled with the negative people crying out and the happy people feeling no need to complain on a board so there might be some bias.
Dark Octave
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Then it's not a Final Fantasy game, imo.B.K. said:
But then again, Final Fantasy hasn't been Final Fantasy for a long time now, anyway.
Or maybe I'm just stuck in the past. I'm excited for XIII, but I kind of miss the innocent Final Fantasy games.
Crash Station
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Wait, the main Final Fantasy theme isn't in the game at all? Not even in the credits? Damn. That's more important to me than the fanfare.
User: I played the Japanese version, will it still have no towns?Kagari said:
SE: They're hard to make.
User: Why are towns hard to make?
SE: Too many pixels.
User: Didn't The Last Remnant have towns?
SE: What?
User: Yeah...
SE: ... Next question.
User2: So, a question about tow--
SE: Next question.
ULTROS! said:
Starting from VI -XII? I would rank XIII bottom. including the first V, I would rank it over I and II and below everything else, maybe over III as well, but not over the remake tho.
Dark Octave said:
It is missing the open exploration and player decisions making as in "what I want to do next" from most other games. X and X-2 were a little like this, but not as restrictive and XI and XII are totally opposite, they give great control to the user on how to progress with the adventure, so your second sentence is not quite true.
The story isn't really complicated or bad, it's interesting points here and there, it's just that the story is carry you on, instead of you carrying on the story.
badcrumble
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I'm going to ask about why new game plus isn't a standard feature by now >:-CKagari said:
RedRedSuit said:
I know, my intention wasn't to compare it directly to ME.
I don't think I've ever done more than couple of side quests/things in Final Fantasies and huge cities just intimidate me. (I have to check every corner so I don't miss anything)
What I expect of a FF is the main story and 'epic' feel to the game, not so much choices. I'll buy it regardless of reviews on release day so I'll have to wait and see if it dissapoints.
ACE 1991 said:
Well, I'm not claiming it's a bad thing. But it seems like this side is very freedom and open-world oriented, so it's plausible to think that points will be docked for anything that doesn't resemble open-world.
KTallguy said:
I played the game. It's good for one run through. Can't even feel motivated to do endgame material and the ending suits the story but the story is ass. I expect defense from the people who didn't play it and didn't watch extensively gameplay videos either, because I sat in that boat once. And I admit now that I was wrong. For all the backlash that comes with every FF title, I'd say this one deserves it, not because of personal preference but because it's really ridiculous to spend 6+ years and millions of dollars and only have this as the end product. It is a dream to hope Wada will fire Kitase and Toriyama both but at best I just hope Toriyama never directs another big game again.
Another good track on the OST is "Blaze Edge", the boss battle track that was in the demo. "Will to Fight" and "Eden Under Siege" are also great tracks. I think the main theme Hamauzu cooked up for 13 is reused too much though.
dramatis said:
I'm playing the game and almost at the ending
There is no way you can imply that FFXIII is a colossal failure.
It does so many new and innovative things, streamlines other elements, and changes the structure of what most people consider Final Fantasy.
Many hardcore players will dislike the very strict pacing and lack of exploration until the later half. But it does exactly what it's trying to do, and extremely well. The wow moments in this game eclipse ... basically every other final fantasy, and I would say any JRPG out there. The system is friendly for newcomers but contains a lot of depth for people who like JRPG battle systems. The story is paced and told well, the cutscenes are edited so they snap and don't drag on too long, and the characters are fleshed out enough for the majority of users.
It's not a perfect game, no game is. But it's hard to criticize the game for the content it presents, which is of high quality and is fun. It's exactly "personal preference" that drives you to criticize the game.
Khrno said:
This is understandable, as it reinvents a lot of the things that users expect from the franchise, and it is a much more linear game than many of its predecessors. Still it does exactly what it's trying to do, really really well.
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GKANG said:
I think two things need to be clarified here:
1) Scores in the 70s/80s are not low
2) The story is no literary masterpiece, and while it boasts a really strong cast and fantastic execution there are plenty of games that handle it better.
FF13 is a very good game that could've been great, even wonderful. That's it.
The story is pure Jpop. It's fine for what it is. But yea, it's not fine literature. 
Honestly, FF is a mass market game, and the biggest international brand that Square-enix has.
The more linear, story driven game you have, the larger the potential audience.
Because the story is not too complex, the game is easy point A to B with a map pointing the way, and the fighting mechanics, while they have plenty of depth, are somewhat streamlined, non-hardcore people are more likely to play and beat the game.
I would expect more experimental, less controlled gameplay in NON-FF titles, actually.
FF12 basically proved that most of the audience can't handle too much freedom.
Khrno said:
Honestly, FF is a mass market game, and the biggest international brand that Square-enix has.
The more linear, story driven game you have, the larger the potential audience.
Because the story is not too complex, the game is easy point A to B with a map pointing the way, and the fighting mechanics, while they have plenty of depth, are somewhat streamlined, non-hardcore people are more likely to play and beat the game.
I would expect more experimental, less controlled gameplay in NON-FF titles, actually.
FF12 basically proved that most of the audience can't handle too much freedom.
KTallguy said:
I don't think this is really true. Judging how people feel about the game in Japan, and on GAF, I would say FFXIII is just as divisive as FFXII. There are people who really like it for what it is, and there are also many people who think it is a terrible reinvention of what FF should be. If anything, I think FFXII and FFXIII proves that FF is most appealing to the majority of audiences when it takes a less ambitious/risky middle ground like with FF7-9, and to a lesser extent, FFX. When a game takes the series to extremes, be it in terms of freedom, or linearity, you will definitely piss off a sizable group within the fanbase, and draw flak no matter how well done what the game "wants to achieve" is.
duckroll said:
Sure, the game is very divisive on GAF or within the Japanese audience on gaming forums. But I think that FF is aiming for a bigger piece of the pie than that market.
Just playing both games, even discounting the art style and character design, FF13 is much more inclusive than FF12 in... basically every way. From being able to immediately retry battles, to linear maps, to very straightforward character progression... it's easier for a more casual audience to play the game. The battles are fast paced, but the smoke items lessen the difficulty (and I wonder if you have a higher chance to receive them if you use them more often...).
These are not positive points for all people, and I personally loved the freedom of FF12. But if the goal of FF13 was to allow more casual users to get farther in the game, or actually beat it (like many users did with FF10), I consider it mission accomplished.
Now that we have achievements and trophies, we can see how many players get through what % of the game. I really want to see the breakdown for the Japanese FF13 audience.
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