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Final Fantasy XIV Information Thread | PC Open Beta... yeah it's not really open.
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Cowie said:
I know that I'm probably in the minority here but I hope a lot of the mission content is going to be shifted towards the later part of the levelling process, maybe completely end game. It's so annoying trying find someone that has gear for a certain cap, especially if you join the game towards the middle / end of a games life cycle.
Honestly speaking, I think FFXIV is the MMO I've been the most hyped for simply because it doesn't use the conventional method of character progression. Not giving people levels throws a lot of MMO hegemony out the window. Determining player progress is going to be so odd because there's nothing concrete to compare where you are versus other players / content minimums other then abilities and obviously gear.
Kintaro said:
Seeing who was buying Gil by checking their AH history on ffxiah.com was almost as fun as the actual game.
Sebulon3k said:
Eh, I think there will be ranks in the Guilds or some equivalent that will let you easily tell how far along in the game someone is, but it will likely be much fuzzier than it currently is.
Remember that just because players don't have "experience levels," monsters will vary in difficulty, and there has to be some way to tell if your party can tackle the enemies or not.
Also: Remember in FFXI when people used to care about nation rank? "Oh, don't invite him, he's only Rank 1!"
Ravidrath said:
They probably will but I'm hoping, and I'm probably going to be wrong but I hope the system will be something like FF9s Progression system without the levels. It's probably going to have tiers within every item tree or ability type. Like white magic tier 1 has cure and tier 2 has cure 2 scaling up as the tiers increase.
Either way I'm just happy that the game doesn't have conventional levels attached to it.
demosthenes
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Sebulon3k said:
Yea but you're still going to be fighting mobs for exp/ap/w/e they want to call it to level up. They might say it doesn't have levels but we're still going to be fighting/questing to progress through the game.
I have no problem fighting mobs for whatever metric they use to measure progression to the next "Ding", I just think it's nice that instead of your "level" determining your progess it's instead the skills you've learned if that's in fact the way the game works upon release.demosthenes said:
I've played a large number of MMOs, and to me it seems stale that nearly everyone use the same metric, however I understand why they do it.
Sebulon3k said:
I think it really depends on the playerbase. I can't see gear not ending up in some tier format, and there's a hard creativity cap of how many abilities they can even come up with. Ideally, everyone with access to tier x swords will keep all of the useful ones handy, and list armors like we list support jobs now.
Corran Horn
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:lol Good timesRavidrath said:
I stopped looking at that stuff after awhile and would get screwed by inviting someone without airship access in some of the lower level xp ptys
pancakesandsex
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hgplayer1 said:
Lol, 5 min after you left man :/
-Pyromaniac-
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I need to see this info.
I think I just read the translated article. Nothing ground breaking announced. Summons this time around are going to be a lot harder to obtain apparently and are confirmed for use.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think there is going to be some sort of esper/materia system where pretty much any class can equip a summon.
This is pure speculation on my part, but I think there is going to be some sort of esper/materia system where pretty much any class can equip a summon.
Sebulon3k said:
Square should eliminate caps on gear entirely and give all gear variable stats that increase with character growth. As an example, a cheap accuracy ring might have +1-3 acc, while a more expensive ring has +1-7 acc. A low-level player would get +1 acc from either ring, a mid-level player would get +2 acc from the cheap ring or +4 acc from the expensive ring, and a high-level player would get +3 acc from the cheap ring or +7 acc from the expensive ring. That way, you eliminate the hassles of gear caps, while low-level players who can't afford the best gear aren't placed at a disadvantage to veteran players leveling a second or third character class. Then you can have level-capped content without having to worry about keeping separate sets of gear for each level cap.
Capped content is only fun for the first 3-4 months of the game, after that when everyone does it and moves onto the end game it just gets frustrating for anyone that's late to the party.Azrael said:
Although the gear scaling seems like a good idea, I can see a developer getting lazy and using it as a reason to not have a lot of different gear during the levelling process.
Dreamwriter
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Sebulon3k said:
Eww, I totally disagree with you. You must be one of those weird people who play the game primarily for levelling up, and to you everything else (like story, missions) is secondary
I'm not that kind of person - I play the game *for* the story and missions, so if they didn't have any until endgame, I'd never even play the game, because it would be the most boring thing ever until the end. So I play them when I am at the correct level, when the developers intended you to play.:lol Summons were hard to get in FFXI too, a long long time ago. But when they keep adding new equipment and skills later, is it any wonder the summons got easier. Maybe they just need to scale the difficulties of certain battles along with adding new toys each patch.carlo6529 said:
Lol wierd people :lolDreamwriter said:Eww, I totally disagree with you. You must be one of those weird people who play the game primarily for levelling up, and to you everything else (like story, missions) is secondary
When I played FFXI I got my first job to 75 (whm) and did all my windhurst missions, I wanted to get into the end game ASAP so I did all the Zilart missions in one night. Did Sky for a couple weeks then did CoP in a static over a week. Quickly after hitting 75 I realised noone wants a whm for merit parties so I levelled BRD, got that to 75 then started Sea and HNM camping. Levelled RDM to 75 and did my ToAU.
Hardly enjoyed levelling but in my FFXI linkshell your only as good as what you can bring to the table and having one job was fucken horrible. I wanted my Gjallahorn, so I increased my utility
At the time unless you had a static, levelling was fucken horrible. But it had to be done to get where you wanted.
Being late to the party in a game like FFXI sucked if you didn't have a group of people that were going to help you do the missions, because majority of the population had completed them. If majority of my time playing is going to be spent at the level cap the majority of the game content should be at the level cap. Levelling to the cap then having to go do content where I can't use all my abilities and gear is stupid.
Dreamwriter
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Sebulon3k said:
Yeah, but that's what I'm saying - for most people, the majority of their time playing *isn't* at the level cap. The missions (and quests) are designed to be played as you level, to keep the game about more than just grinding away, which is also the reason for the capped level missions. It's a lot more fun when the game is balanced - when there's a good chance you'll die not only at the burning circle, but on the way there. Some of the most fun we had was when we all wiped out during a mission with a bunch of single-hit kills...and then the next group that came along got wiped out by the same guy. Then some of us got raised, and he showed up again!
Then once you reach max level, there's a bunch *more* content designed specifically for that point (which is why it's known as "end-game" content). I could see WoW being the way you describe, when it first came out its whole point seemed to be levelling to max level quickly, and then doing all sorts of stuff. But FFXI was designed like most Final Fantasy games - you are intended to play through the story and level up at the same time.
I and my static party played the game for three years, most of that time was spent below max-level.
I guess our experiences are different then, I spent most of my time at level 75 and for me who came into the game alone trying to PuG windy / Zilarts was a pain because I'd have to deal with bad players that didn't have gear and no shows. It was amazingly frustrating because those missions were the barrier to what I wanted to do which was the end game.Dreamwriter said:
For me it just didn't make sense making me do level 30-50 missions to unlock an area that has activity for level 75 players, and I know they designed the game to be played in a way that you do missions as you level. But realistically for nearly all the people that I played with on my server that wasn't the case. Unless you had someone coaching you, or an online source directing you the missions wouldn't even become known till someone told you about them much later on.
Almost all my friends were 70+ before they even started the mission content, that probably wasn't SE's plan when designing them but that was for many people the reality of the situation.
Sebulon3k said:
Who the hell makes anything above 50 without getting airship access? :lol
Sure, if you want to just sit and grind, sit and grind, you can eventually get up there. But the game shoves the plot at you with everything from the only reasonable travel method to best-of-slot gear.
By mission I meant CoP and Zilart not Nation, probably should've been clearer about that.Mandoric said:
Have you tried to do CoP and Zilart missions without the assistance of an online wiki? I can't comment on WoTG because I stopped playing when it came out but, It's really fun running around Tavnazia trying to trigger the next event, or not knowing that the teleport ( the white spires that whm can port to ) were the triggers for the next areas.
Knocking heads against AV was even better!
/sarcasm
-Pyromaniac-
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The way I played it was I'd do any story missions I could do until I HAAAD to level up. Then I did for a while which was kind of fun. Also any time people from my linkshell were holding exp parties or offered to help me I never said no, group stuff are always good times.
But my primary goal was to complete the game. Just so damn easy to get sidetracked into 500 different things.
edit: that's cool info above, glad to hear about the summons being more special. I hope the Famitsu article had some info as well...
But my primary goal was to complete the game. Just so damn easy to get sidetracked into 500 different things.
edit: that's cool info above, glad to hear about the summons being more special. I hope the Famitsu article had some info as well...
Dreamwriter
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Sebulon3k said:
Yeah, should have made that more clear, I was talking about the normal missions
Zilart *was* basically end-game stuff (you needed to be around level 60-65 just to beat the boss opening up that part of the story). And Chains of Promathia was a special case, it was in part designed to give lower-level folks something to do *other* than the missions, since there was already tons of end-game content (and to add challenge for people who were level capped).Makes sense, I wasn't around when the expansions came out so my perspective is probably a bit skewed.Dreamwriter said:Yeah, should have made that more clear, I was talking about the normal missions