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Final Fantasy XIV Information Thread | PC Open Beta... yeah it's not really open.
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IonicSnake
Banned
Sorry if it have already been posted but here's the interview the PS Blog had with the FFXIV team.
http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/...eople-vs-Final-Fantasy-XIV/?site_locale=en_GB
http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/news/...eople-vs-Final-Fantasy-XIV/?site_locale=en_GB
Broadbandito
Member
whats this about 60 fps i keep hearing?
zlatko said:
Yeah, they will fix the keyboard camera controls (they've acknowlodged the issue in the beta site), they just need to place the camera in the arrows and then the KB will feel like home for FFXI players. And the mouse remains to be seen what kind of fix will get, the lag should be one of the priorities tho.
Broadbandito said:
That's true, the framerate is capped at 60 fps at the moment, it's unknown if they will uncap it for launch or keep it at 60 tho.
I think this is new:
EDIT: Here's the link to the full famitsu interview http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/11248-famitsu-gamewatch-gamescom-interview/
EDIT: Here's the link to the full famitsu interview http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/11248-famitsu-gamewatch-gamescom-interview/
HappyBivouac
Member
The fatigue system is a bigger design failure than the Hindenburg.
HappyBivouac
Member
Level too much and too many consecutive hours on the same job, and you get level 1 fatigue, which means 10% of your exp is wasted. This can go to to 50%, supposedly, maybe even more. It's ridiculous.
Alex
Member
If you want to avoid a fucking time sink, do it on the core design, not by punishing people for playing the goddamn game the way they want.
Time sinks in MMOs and other games with persistent features are going away, but they're doing so in methods that focuses more on content, re-playability and by removing archaic standards.
Everything about this game is limited and punishing and just keeps going, the guildleves, this surplus shit, making people wander around the wards instead of an AH. All this is saying to me is that they have no content and they want a subscription anchor. It's an INDIRECT time sink.
Time sinks in MMOs and other games with persistent features are going away, but they're doing so in methods that focuses more on content, re-playability and by removing archaic standards.
Everything about this game is limited and punishing and just keeps going, the guildleves, this surplus shit, making people wander around the wards instead of an AH. All this is saying to me is that they have no content and they want a subscription anchor. It's an INDIRECT time sink.
punishing ppl for playing the game? really???? WTF
and these design decisions are not even the worst part
cuz bad designs can be changed
the worst part, from reading all these interviews, is of them going
"la la la la la, i can't hear you"
basically, they're not gonna listen until ppl start abandoning the game
NOBODY is gonna fulltime craft jobs cept RMTs!
and these design decisions are not even the worst part
cuz bad designs can be changed
the worst part, from reading all these interviews, is of them going
"la la la la la, i can't hear you"
basically, they're not gonna listen until ppl start abandoning the game
NOBODY is gonna fulltime craft jobs cept RMTs!
and Square keeps piling it on.
I guess you could say that there are 7 Deadly Sins to MMOs and Square is intent on hitting each and every one.
- smooth kb/m controls
- AH is a must
- there must be some kind of PvE end game
- some kind of PvP
- dont impede leveling
- intuitive UI
- something else
A couple you can get away with as long as you promise to patch in "soon after launch" but this is ridiculous.
The Fatigue system is just the latest in a long string of very bad decisions. It will sell a lot of copies because of the Final Fantasy name but retention will another story.
Obviously the FF14 team sequestered themselves off from the world and testers advice so they could make their own unique game. Unfortunately they also missed the heap of MMO wrecks that has grown over the past couple years(APB being the latest).
I guess you could say that there are 7 Deadly Sins to MMOs and Square is intent on hitting each and every one.
- smooth kb/m controls
- AH is a must
- there must be some kind of PvE end game
- some kind of PvP
- dont impede leveling
- intuitive UI
- something else
A couple you can get away with as long as you promise to patch in "soon after launch" but this is ridiculous.
The Fatigue system is just the latest in a long string of very bad decisions. It will sell a lot of copies because of the Final Fantasy name but retention will another story.
Obviously the FF14 team sequestered themselves off from the world and testers advice so they could make their own unique game. Unfortunately they also missed the heap of MMO wrecks that has grown over the past couple years(APB being the latest).
Lol SE never learns. They really should normalize their design equation so they stop giving bonus instead of penalize players. In the end, you can balance out the pace to be exactly the same but players will feel good about getting bonuses instead of feeling bad about being penalized.
Might as well post the full interview:
Famitsu managed to catch the FFXIV team over at Gamescom and managed to snag an interview. Here's the juicy details, courtesy of the one and only Stevemanly. The interview will be added and updated in chunks as it's translated, so stay tuned!
Source: Famitsu
Tell us about FFXIV!
At Gamescom, we bumped into the Final Fantasy XIV triumvirate: Producer Tanaka, Director Komoto, and Global Online Producer Sage Sundi. We pulled them aside and asked them for an interview, and they acquiesced. HARDCORE!
Looking back over the year
Famitsu (F): Its been over a year since you revealed FFXIV at E3 last year. How has that year treated you?
Producer Tanaka (PT): Wait, did we reveal it at E3 last year? (He laughs) Weve been working on it so long weve kinda lost track of the time.
Director Komoto (DK): Times really flown, especially this last year. Its hard to believe the E3 at which we revealed FFXIV was a year ago already.
F: So basically you havent had time to look back?
Sage Sundi (SS): Right now, not in the slightest. (He laughs)
F: Im sure youre busy cramming a lot of work into the last few weeks before release, but can you tell us when open beta starts?
DK: The plan is to start it at the beginning of September.
F: Yeah yeah, tell us what day!
PT: Would you let us off the hook if we told you As soon as possible? (He laughs)
Changes between phases two and three of the beta
F: What changed with the beginning of phase three of the beta?
DK: We added a few things, but a couple of big things that changed were the tempo of battle and the feel of the game. Also, for the players outside of Japan, the changes to the mouse controls were probably pretty big.
F: So mouse control was a pretty big deal to users overseas?
PT: I would say about 90% of the feedback we got about things people wanted to see in the game was related to the mouse.
DK: If you look at it globally, there was more feedback about that than anything else.
SS: Outside of Japan, many PC gamers use a mouse as the main controls for all games, from FPSs to MMORPGs.
PT: Gamepad and mouse controls are different at the most fundamental of levels. With a gamepad, you have to go through a layered structure command input for control, a mouse needs to be able to get things done with just a click. We have to set the game up to be able to handle both.
F: So there wasnt much feedback from Japan about all that?
DK: Not really, but we got a lot of feedback about the user interface as a whole, so were working around the clock to fix that right now.
Dont forget the other requests
F: Was there any other kind of feedback you received?
DK: There was a lot about guildleves, like allowing retries on failed guildleves or suiting them more for party play. We on the development team also believe we could do more to promote party play. Were trying to figure out how to find that balance of enjoyable party play without taking away from the soloing experience.
F: So youll be adding content to that purpose?
DK: Right now our greatest priority is to increase the merits for party play. Though we still want guildleves to be a rewarding solo experience, we also want to add things that would make them rewarding to complete as a party.
SS: We got a lot of feedback about that, and all the feedback was consistent; players first concern was the user interface, then the merits of party play. Thanks to this, we know what everyone is focusing on.
From Bun-bun to Shei-shei-ha! Shei-ha!*
F: The battle system changed drastically from alpha to the first phase of beta. Do you think the battle system could change even more?
DK: We feel that the battle system has become pretty set. What we have left to adjust are the abilities, monsters, and guildleve balance. The biggest part is probably the balance of the growth system, so well be looking at that a lot during the third beta phase.
PT: Speaking of which, in open beta, the placement of monsters and their aggro settings will change greatly, so you may have to change your battle strategies, too.
F: So the changes are going to be so big theyll even affect strategizing?
PT: FFXI was the same way. The system and balances change and adapt like a living creature.
DK: Youll also be able to start in any of the three starting capital cities. Its not just about the three different stories; it is from this point that youll actually see the economy begin to work the way we imagined it, and we cant wait for you to see it.
F: So in open beta, will you be able to go between cities?
DK: But of course.
Wheres the magic?
F: Right now theres only two Discipline of Magic classes available. Will there be any more than these?
DK: Wed like players to enjoy these two classes for a while. The caster class system is still being tweaked. However, this doesnt mean were going to wait for the release of an expansion to release the class; itll be out when the timing is right.
F: So youre saying that there will be more Disciples of Magic?
DK: Yes. They might come in a patch, they might come in an expansion. Were not sure yet.
F: What about pet classes, like FFXIs beastmaster?
DK: There was a lot of feedback asking for those. Wed like to be able to provide that, but it might come in an expansion
F: or it might be in a patch. We get it (He laughs)
DK: If you put a pet class in right from release, balance is really difficult, so right now were not putting them in.
F: Do you have plans for any other new classes?
PT: Weve got a few in mind, but were keeping them under wraps for now.
F: What kind of class will they be? Give us a hint!
PT: No! (He laughs evilly, clutching his pitchfork and stepping on the interviewers toes with the malice of a kindergartener. Ok, the Japanese just says he laughs, but WE know what happened, dont we, folks? Manly)
*The Ideal FFXIV Battle Tempo according to the Japanese. In a Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus video posted on Japanese video site Niconico Douga, (14th in a series of DoC vids, which probably drew in people looking for FFXIV videos) bun-bun is the sound Vincents slow-firing gun makes, and shei-shei-ha is what Vincent says during his melee attack. Months ago, a common post on Japanese boards was, The current FFXIV battle tempo: Bun bun Ideal battle tempo: SHEI-HA! SHEI-SHEI-HA! SHEI-SHEI! HAA SHEI!
Famitsu managed to catch the FFXIV team over at Gamescom and managed to snag an interview. Here's the juicy details, courtesy of the one and only Stevemanly. The interview will be added and updated in chunks as it's translated, so stay tuned!
Source: Famitsu
Tell us about FFXIV!
At Gamescom, we bumped into the Final Fantasy XIV triumvirate: Producer Tanaka, Director Komoto, and Global Online Producer Sage Sundi. We pulled them aside and asked them for an interview, and they acquiesced. HARDCORE!
Looking back over the year
Famitsu (F): Its been over a year since you revealed FFXIV at E3 last year. How has that year treated you?
Producer Tanaka (PT): Wait, did we reveal it at E3 last year? (He laughs) Weve been working on it so long weve kinda lost track of the time.
Director Komoto (DK): Times really flown, especially this last year. Its hard to believe the E3 at which we revealed FFXIV was a year ago already.
F: So basically you havent had time to look back?
Sage Sundi (SS): Right now, not in the slightest. (He laughs)
F: Im sure youre busy cramming a lot of work into the last few weeks before release, but can you tell us when open beta starts?
DK: The plan is to start it at the beginning of September.
F: Yeah yeah, tell us what day!
PT: Would you let us off the hook if we told you As soon as possible? (He laughs)
Changes between phases two and three of the beta
F: What changed with the beginning of phase three of the beta?
DK: We added a few things, but a couple of big things that changed were the tempo of battle and the feel of the game. Also, for the players outside of Japan, the changes to the mouse controls were probably pretty big.
F: So mouse control was a pretty big deal to users overseas?
PT: I would say about 90% of the feedback we got about things people wanted to see in the game was related to the mouse.
DK: If you look at it globally, there was more feedback about that than anything else.
SS: Outside of Japan, many PC gamers use a mouse as the main controls for all games, from FPSs to MMORPGs.
PT: Gamepad and mouse controls are different at the most fundamental of levels. With a gamepad, you have to go through a layered structure command input for control, a mouse needs to be able to get things done with just a click. We have to set the game up to be able to handle both.
F: So there wasnt much feedback from Japan about all that?
DK: Not really, but we got a lot of feedback about the user interface as a whole, so were working around the clock to fix that right now.
Dont forget the other requests
F: Was there any other kind of feedback you received?
DK: There was a lot about guildleves, like allowing retries on failed guildleves or suiting them more for party play. We on the development team also believe we could do more to promote party play. Were trying to figure out how to find that balance of enjoyable party play without taking away from the soloing experience.
F: So youll be adding content to that purpose?
DK: Right now our greatest priority is to increase the merits for party play. Though we still want guildleves to be a rewarding solo experience, we also want to add things that would make them rewarding to complete as a party.
SS: We got a lot of feedback about that, and all the feedback was consistent; players first concern was the user interface, then the merits of party play. Thanks to this, we know what everyone is focusing on.
From Bun-bun to Shei-shei-ha! Shei-ha!*
F: The battle system changed drastically from alpha to the first phase of beta. Do you think the battle system could change even more?
DK: We feel that the battle system has become pretty set. What we have left to adjust are the abilities, monsters, and guildleve balance. The biggest part is probably the balance of the growth system, so well be looking at that a lot during the third beta phase.
PT: Speaking of which, in open beta, the placement of monsters and their aggro settings will change greatly, so you may have to change your battle strategies, too.
F: So the changes are going to be so big theyll even affect strategizing?
PT: FFXI was the same way. The system and balances change and adapt like a living creature.
DK: Youll also be able to start in any of the three starting capital cities. Its not just about the three different stories; it is from this point that youll actually see the economy begin to work the way we imagined it, and we cant wait for you to see it.
F: So in open beta, will you be able to go between cities?
DK: But of course.
Wheres the magic?
F: Right now theres only two Discipline of Magic classes available. Will there be any more than these?
DK: Wed like players to enjoy these two classes for a while. The caster class system is still being tweaked. However, this doesnt mean were going to wait for the release of an expansion to release the class; itll be out when the timing is right.
F: So youre saying that there will be more Disciples of Magic?
DK: Yes. They might come in a patch, they might come in an expansion. Were not sure yet.
F: What about pet classes, like FFXIs beastmaster?
DK: There was a lot of feedback asking for those. Wed like to be able to provide that, but it might come in an expansion
F: or it might be in a patch. We get it (He laughs)
DK: If you put a pet class in right from release, balance is really difficult, so right now were not putting them in.
F: Do you have plans for any other new classes?
PT: Weve got a few in mind, but were keeping them under wraps for now.
F: What kind of class will they be? Give us a hint!
PT: No! (He laughs evilly, clutching his pitchfork and stepping on the interviewers toes with the malice of a kindergartener. Ok, the Japanese just says he laughs, but WE know what happened, dont we, folks? Manly)
*The Ideal FFXIV Battle Tempo according to the Japanese. In a Final Fantasy VII: Dirge of Cerberus video posted on Japanese video site Niconico Douga, (14th in a series of DoC vids, which probably drew in people looking for FFXIV videos) bun-bun is the sound Vincents slow-firing gun makes, and shei-shei-ha is what Vincent says during his melee attack. Months ago, a common post on Japanese boards was, The current FFXIV battle tempo: Bun bun Ideal battle tempo: SHEI-HA! SHEI-SHEI-HA! SHEI-SHEI! HAA SHEI!
Very odd hardware performance, FPS drops at random to as low as 28 FPS in the city or around crowds.
720p? (assuming this is what the beta runs at, benchmark for 720 was 6400)
i7 930 @ 4.0 Ghz
6 Gig Ram
GTX 470 @ 775core/1550 shader
Windows 7 64 bit
Very disappointed, hope the retail won't be this bad. My rig should be eating this game for breakfast.
720p? (assuming this is what the beta runs at, benchmark for 720 was 6400)
i7 930 @ 4.0 Ghz
6 Gig Ram
GTX 470 @ 775core/1550 shader
Windows 7 64 bit
Very disappointed, hope the retail won't be this bad. My rig should be eating this game for breakfast.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
jiggle said:
It'll be like SWG, most will try it out for shits 'n giggles but a phew crafter fanatics will be in their element and end up with more gold than Rotschild, Crassus and Bill Gates combined
HappyBivouac
Member
Yeah honestly this game is gonna see so many changes in the first 6-12 months its ridiculous. They're gonna release the game and realize that so many of their "great ideas" just don't fly with the players.
Khrno said:
what i am saying, and having hard time putting into words, is that
all crafters will be fighters
but not all fighters will be crafters
why gimp the game for a subset of those ppl?
pleasing the fighters will cover everyone
cept the ppl that craft fulltime (RMTs)
want to make the game more fun for crafting?
get rid of all those fucking stupid minigames
Wait wait wait, so those of us who level a job a crap load will be slapped down with exp penalties for it? Is this relative only if you do it on the same class? Can I level X class until the fatigue point, then swap to Y class and such? I guess this WILL make me want to level multiple classes often, but what happens when someone:
1) Reaches the point where the next level is really far EXP wise for all his classes, so much so that fatigue sets in before he's even reached 1/3d of exp needed to level any class ?
2) Only wants to level 1-2 jobs max? Why punish his time spent in the game for playing it the way he wants?
I'm seriously like WTFing hard over this. It makes NO sense to punish someone who WANTS to play your game with their spare hours. That's like a restaurant owner having an all you can eat buffet, but after you eat a certain amount the rest of the food you eat will have bits of poison in it. Why in the fuck?
Plus we are paying monthly to play the game, yet you want to punish me for making the most of my $13.00 a month? I'm pissed about this decision and could turn me off from this game entirely to be honest.
1) Reaches the point where the next level is really far EXP wise for all his classes, so much so that fatigue sets in before he's even reached 1/3d of exp needed to level any class ?
2) Only wants to level 1-2 jobs max? Why punish his time spent in the game for playing it the way he wants?
I'm seriously like WTFing hard over this. It makes NO sense to punish someone who WANTS to play your game with their spare hours. That's like a restaurant owner having an all you can eat buffet, but after you eat a certain amount the rest of the food you eat will have bits of poison in it. Why in the fuck?
Plus we are paying monthly to play the game, yet you want to punish me for making the most of my $13.00 a month? I'm pissed about this decision and could turn me off from this game entirely to be honest.
Shouta
Member
HappyBivouac said:
They don't need to release it to find their great ideas won't fly with players. If they talked to them now, they'd find it out. I'm contemplating finding their fucking offices and going straight to the developers to yell at them right now. Anyone know where they are? >=|
i am having such a hard time grasping what's going through their heads
they want ppl to do leve, but not TOO much leve
they want ppl to level a job, but not TOO much leveling it
wtf??
basically they want ppl to pay to play the game, but not TOO much playing
maybe it's some fucking lame scheme to keep ppl from quitting FFXI :lol
when you play too long on one job, u will lose 10% of the points earned
it doesn't affect other jobs you switch too (until u play those for too long)
hope ppl raise HELL on the beta forum over this
cuz i'm too lazy to do it
they want ppl to do leve, but not TOO much leve
they want ppl to level a job, but not TOO much leveling it
wtf??
basically they want ppl to pay to play the game, but not TOO much playing
maybe it's some fucking lame scheme to keep ppl from quitting FFXI :lol
zlatko said:
when you play too long on one job, u will lose 10% of the points earned
it doesn't affect other jobs you switch too (until u play those for too long)
hope ppl raise HELL on the beta forum over this
cuz i'm too lazy to do it
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Shouta said:
Nothing gets the blood boiling quite like MMO launches.
I really believe that they will remove this stupid surplus. I don't really know any "real" casual players that are looking into FFXIV to enjoy. Why did they think they needed to make casuals on equal ground as people that have time to play?
Damn, this is really making the game easy with no challenge.
This is the only thing I could understand as to why there is so much rage.
Damn, this is really making the game easy with no challenge.
This is the only thing I could understand as to why there is so much rage.
I feel like every high-profile game would involve this kind of intense player rage, but only MMOs are so open about their development, due to the need for massive betas.
I still think everyone in here needs to calm the fuck down. Square Enix may be fairly inept when it comes to game design, but does anyone really think they don't believe UI lag of several seconds at a time is a problem? They'll fix it.
As far as the "penalty" thing, 10% isn't much, and it encourages diversity in jobs. Hell, it encourages me to get the hell off once in awhile, and I think that's just fine.
If you want to sink 80 hours a week into an MMO, well...
Have fun with that.
I still think everyone in here needs to calm the fuck down. Square Enix may be fairly inept when it comes to game design, but does anyone really think they don't believe UI lag of several seconds at a time is a problem? They'll fix it.
As far as the "penalty" thing, 10% isn't much, and it encourages diversity in jobs. Hell, it encourages me to get the hell off once in awhile, and I think that's just fine.
If you want to sink 80 hours a week into an MMO, well...
Have fun with that.
fizzelopeguss
Banned
Londa said:
But SE has years of game development experience londa, you really think you know better than the dozens of game designers at squeenix?
Alex
Member
Feep said:
No one is overreacting over the design trainwrecks in this game. This is a lesser one if that info holds concrete and all encompassing, however it still doesn't need to exist, it just remains looming worry while we know so little about it.
Also, "Do something else" shouldn't be a mantra for EVERY SINGLE PIECE of the game.
Micromegas
Member
jiggle said:
This is a good point. If we're paying monthly there should be no negative-incentives. Sure, put in a positive one, like WoW's rested-xp, or whatever, but do not penalize a paying subscriber.
Also: relying on crafters for all armor and weapons (and no ah?) - see the failure of Asheron Call 2's dead economy and dead game.
Fingers-crossed for this all to have been misunderstood/lost in translation. Some of the interview stuff I've read in this thread chills my blood.