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[Londa]

Where did i say it was you and Londa that was defending the fatigue/surplus? I said you got owned because you kept saying its not official when it was from the same director but places used different names for him. You were also laughing at Sankakucomplex remember? Don't see you laughing now that the word is out about how shitty this fatigue system is.

I don't see it as a own because at the time, the information was hear-say. The Sankakucomplex information is still overexaggerated even after the dev's explanation. Also when the dev post was provided and translated did I once say anything else? I infact said I disliked the system as it is now. But at the end of the post the dev saids they will extend the time on the fatigue. If the time limit is reasonable I don't care about fatigue anymore.

You keep complaining about people wanting the game to change. Guess you should worry about yourself and not what others think, eh?

I complained about people trying to change the game into something that the dev's didn't want in the first place. But good news is Tanaka said in a interview that he kept seeing in the testing forms people wanting to make the game more WoW. He addressed it in the interview by saying he doesn't want to put WoW elements into the game. So I don't need to worry anymore. I never demand anyone to explain why they like WoW, or try to drill any of my ideas into their head.

 

[Rflagg]

I thought it capped off at -50% xp? It seriously goes down to -100% (or 0)? I can't believe that's true. That's just too fucking stupid, that's seriously the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. There is no way a company in 2010 would implement something that retarded, that has to be false.

Especially considering the short amount of time being tossed around, this is the dumbest design decision I have ever heard if it turns out to be as bad as rumored. When this game was first announced I honestly felt like it had a shot at a million plus worldwide subs, and while I am extremely excited they are not making another wow clone most of their choices leave me shaking my head.

 

[notworksafe]

I don't see it as a own because at the time, the information was hear-say. The Sankakucomplex information is still overexaggerated even after the dev's explanation. Also when the dev post was provided and translated did I once say anything else? I infact said I disliked the system as it is now. But at the end of the post the dev saids they will extend the time on the fatigue. If the time limit is reasonable I don't care about fatigue anymore.

What would you say is reasonable? The problem I see is that there are too many types of MMO players to set one time and say, "Don't play more than this". Not to mention that you are paying a monthly fee for the game, so there shouldn't be a limit like this at all.

 

[Khrno]

Where did i say it was you and Londa that was defending the fatigue/surplus? I said you got owned because you kept saying its not official when it was from the same director but places used different names for him. You were also laughing at Sankakucomplex remember? Don't see you laughing now that the word is out about how shitty this fatigue system is.

First, we knew about the surplus and how it was reducing the exp gain but we didn't how it worked, since like the beginning of phase 3, then we got the Famitsu (or w/e) interview about 1 week ago which stated what the fatigue system was.

Now this week we have some random dude that read a sensationalist article about a game that he might be interested while looking at his daily porn galleries, and then came to post it like if it was the latest factually correct news. This is not the first time I've bitched about someone quoting a SC article and it won't be the last time I do it.

About the names, so I got "owned" because don't believe blindly everything that comes up of the internet without getting a confirmation of such thing being real? And as far as I know, the name is and has always been Komoto.

I just don't go around smashing my face in the monitor like many people here do with anything and everything. But if you want to do that and keep raging about something that still has solutions, then do it.

Just one question for you, do you believe everything you read or hear in the news about anything without making sure things are true and from reliable sources?

 

[demigod]

I don't see it as a own because at the time, the information was hear-say. The Sankakucomplex information is still overexaggerated even after the dev's explanation. Also when the dev post was provided and translated did I once say anything else? I infact said I disliked the system as it is now. But at the end of the post the dev saids they will extend the time on the fatigue. If the time limit is reasonable I don't care about fatigue anymore.

Did I say anything about you talking about fatigue system? Sure as hell not! You got owned because you said SE isn't trying to compete nor take WoW's playerbase. Someone proved you wrong and then you went on and on about why FF14 shouldn't be like WoW. Tanaka is wrong if he thinks he'll get plenty of Final Fantasy playerbase onto 14. I guess he didn't hear the cheers when 14 was announced and it suddenly became awww....when everyone saw that it was an MMO.

 

[Londa]

What would you say is reasonable? The problem I see is that there are too many types of MMO players to set one time and say, "Don't play more than this". Not to mention that you are paying a monthly fee for the game, so there shouldn't be a limit like this at all.

I agree there should be no time limit at all. But if there is a limit, something like refresh every other day and the time will be 24 hours and not 8. I wouldn't care because I couldn't play that much anyways.

 

[Castor Krieg]

I agree there should be no time limit at all. But if there is a limit, something like refresh every other day and the time will be 24 hours and not 8. I wouldn't care because I couldn't play that much anyways.

Sankaku just posted updated news, this time with official info from S-E on beta website:

8 hours, after which 0% EXP

Reset is 1 week


What are they smoking there in Japan?

 

[Gravijah]

0%. After 8 hours. Over a week.

 

[notworksafe]

Sankaku just posted updated news, this time with official info from S-E on beta website:

8 hours, after which 0% EXP

Reset is 1 week


What are they smoking there in Japan?

That is rather different from what was posted here (100% for 8 hours, then it goes down to 0% over the next 7 hours after that, so 15 hours until 0%). They sure didn't get it from the English beta site, as there is no post on there about this at all.

 

[demosthenes]

The more I hear about this game.../sigh

At first I thought it was just going to launch unfinished...really starting to think of cancelling

 

[darkwing]

8 hours per day? that's not so unreasonable

 

[Castor Krieg]

That is rather different from what was posted here (100% for 8 hours, then it goes down to 0% over the next 7 hours after that, so 15 hours until 0%). They sure didn't get it from the English beta site, as there is no post on there about this at all.

Yes, sorry I missed that info. It is from Japanese beta website, after 8 hours EXP gained will decay to reach 0% after 7 hours. It's the first post on the website atm.

 

[Zalasta]

Well, kind of baffling that they are completely out of touch with the current MMO market. It is certainly a weird system they are proposing. Honestly, this should've been revealed at the conceptual stage, certainly not now.

 

[Londa]

Did I say anything about you talking about fatigue system? Sure as hell not! You got owned because you said SE isn't trying to compete nor take WoW's playerbase. Someone proved you wrong and then you went on and on about why FF14 shouldn't be like WoW. Tanaka is wrong if he thinks he'll get plenty of Final Fantasy playerbase onto 14. I guess he didn't hear the cheers when 14 was announced and it suddenly became awww....when everyone saw that it was an MMO.

They aren't trying to, so I don't see it as a own.

8 hours per day? that's not so unreasonable

no its per week. Which is why everyone is angry/concerned.

 

[notworksafe]

8 hours per day? that's not so unreasonable

Per week, but you don't hit 0% XP gain until 15 hours of play each week.

 

[Salaadin]

Is there any chance that this post itself is a mistranslation? Where did the translation even come from to begin with?

 

[darkwing]

Per week, but you don't hit 0% XP gain until 15 hours of play each week.

WUT, epic fail

 

[demigod]

Just one question for you, do you believe everything you read or hear in the news about anything without making sure things are true and from reliable sources?

Lets see here. Hearing it from people in beta and also hearing it from the internet. Why do I even need to check if the source is even reliable? Are you even in the beta?

 

[Zomba13]

Article on loltaku (slotaku?) http://kotaku.com/5621786/final-fantasy-xivs-play+limiting-fatigue-system-explained

WTF is up with that XIV logo?

 

[Gravijah]

Article on loltaku (slotaku?) http://kotaku.com/5621786/final-fantasy-xivs-play+limiting-fatigue-system-explained

WTF is up with that XIV logo?

it's fatigued

 

[demosthenes]

So does the limit apply to both physical leveling and weapon leveling?

 

[demigod]

They aren't trying to, so I don't see it as a own..

Oh yes they are, straight from the headhoncho's mouth. What, did you really think they wanted to take their OWN FFXI playerbase onto 14? Btw lol @ your relyable scores.

 

[Khrno]

Lets see here. Hearing it from people in beta and also hearing it from the internet. Why do I even need to check if the source is even reliable? Are you even in the beta?

I was talking about any news in general, not about this. And yes, I'm in the beta, and yes I've known about this issue since it started happening. But whatever, I don't need to be giving you any explanations.

Is there any chance that this post itself is a mistranslation? Where did the translation even come from to begin with?

From this translation most likely.

 

[Zomba13]

it's fatigued

Ah I see, it's accurately reflecting the FFXIV player base. Before it had all those people wanting the play the game, excited, and now it's just the one mermaid/narwhal who hasn't cancelled their preorder and will still play with the fatigue system.

 

[Salaadin]

From this translation most likely.

Thanks so much

EDIT: I dont see physical level mentioned in there. Is it possible that it isnt a part of this?

 

[Londa]

Oh yes they are, straight from the headhoncho's mouth. What, did you really think they wanted to take their OWN FFXI playerbase onto 14? Btw lol @ your relyable scores.

That quote was older than the quote I provided so again, not an own. But whatever you want to think is fine. lol

I guess seeing a video interview with the man himself (Tanaka) saying those words (with a translater explaining them to the interviewer) isn't relyable anymore.

Then them again putting the interview into text is still not enough.

 

[Halfmunch]

I find it odd too that some people say Square is not competing with other MMO's. Business wise and Financially that just doesn't makes sense.

Also Most of Final Fantasy players/fans play Final Fantasy games on consoles, FF14 PC only right now with system specs to high too for the majority of players.

 

[Gravijah]

That quote was older than the quote I provided so again, not an own. But whatever you want to think is fine. lol

I guess seeing a video interview with the man himself (Tanaka) saying those words (with a translater explaining them to the interviewer) isn't relyable anymore.

Then them again putting the interview into text is still not enough.

are you a relyable person?

 

[demigod]

That quote was older than the quote I provided so again, not an own. But whatever you want to think is fine. lol

I guess seeing a video interview with the man himself (Tanaka) saying those words (with a translater explaining them to the interviewer) isn't relyable anymore.

Then them again putting the interview into text is still not enough.

lol, face it, you got owned. Wada =/= Tanaka. Oh and it's "reliable sources", not "relyable scores".

 

[Teknoman]

I really hope they don't ruin all that potentially good game with this thing..

Btw, bet in a cancellation or in a GIGA-nerf in the release. After the millions of negative feedback approaching in the next few weeks.

Thats what i'm thinking. Im sure this is going to get alot of feedback to change things up from all sides (NA,EU, and JP).

 

[Salaadin]

Does it matter who owned who? Thats a shittier argument than the one we are already having.

 

[demigod]

I find it odd too that some people say Square is not competing with other MMO's. Business wise and Financially that just doesn't makes sense.

Also Most of Final Fantasy players/fans play Final Fantasy games on consoles, FF14 PC only right now with system specs to high too for the majority of players.

Bingo. I was amazed to even hear people in the FF11 shell were still playing the game on a PS2.

 

[Khrno]

Thanks so much

EDIT: I dont see physical level mentioned in there. Is it possible that it isnt a part of this?

"However, experience points are not specific to any class and therefore the decrease in experience points is not affected by changing classes.
Also, since experience points fatigue carries over despite changing weapons, we plan to make it not so harsh."



Those are the lines about the physical levels. At least there is a small bit of hope in his words:

"This all is still currently under development, and we have plans to make the limit more palatable in answer to all the tester feedback we received concerning this. In particular we would like to address the speed with which experience begins to drop off and are already looking into it."


Wait and see, is the best stance to take at this time, but people just keep jumping the gun, so whatever suits them best.

 

[Londa]

are you a relyable person?

edit: I like how people get away with saying this type of stuff

Nope, no name calling from me.

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[KaYotiX]

This system sounds messed up....not sure if i want to cancel my CE or keep it and try it out to see if its really as bad as it sounds.

 

[LaneDS]

We're all getting owned, by S-E, for being interested in this train wreck. Argument solved!

 

[Gravijah]

nice, aren't you the one who thinks I'm a troll? Aren't you trolling with this comment?

Nope, no name calling from me.

edit: I like how people get away with saying this type of stuff




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Take a chill pill, man.

 

[bloodforge]

Everything about this game is Epic Fail.

 

[Teknoman]

Everything about this game is Epic Fail.

I wouldnt say everything...

This system sounds messed up....not sure if i want to cancel my CE or keep it and try it out to see if its really as bad as it sounds.

Personally i'd say keep it, and see what happens/participate during open beta...which is really soon. Aside from the mouse issue, S-E seems pretty decent about getting issues fixed between phases. They are sure to get a ton of feedback from all regions if it ends up being that bad.

 

[KaYotiX]

Personally i'd say keep it, and see what happens/participate during open beta...which is really soon. Aside from the mouse issue, S-E seems pretty decent about getting issues fixed between phases. They are sure to get a ton of feedback from all regions if it ends up being that bad.

Ill prolly do that, any idea when open beta hits??

 

[Bisonian]

So how many Square-Enix viral marketers did we catch in this thread already? Two? Solid.

I would tack on my two cents about everything that's terrible about XIV, but it blows my mind that I would even have to talk about the fact that limiting MMO play to 8 hours a week is a bad idea.

 

[Teknoman]

Ill prolly do that, any idea when open beta hits??

I havent really kept up with official news as of late...but I think sometime during the first week of September?

 

[Salaadin]

I havent really kept up with official news as of late...but I think sometime during the first week of September?

They just said early September. My guess is that we will all be playing it next weekend.

 

[OSHAN]

I havent really kept up with official news as of late...but I think sometime during the first week of September?

Would have to be. It was stated they wanted open beta to last 2 to 3 weeks.

 

[KaYotiX]

Well i guess open Beta will be the deciding factor for many people including myself. The time limit idea is just crazy IMO, id be fine with it if the monthly fee was $8 a month though. (fat chance)

 

[Jinko]

Can you quit trying to make people like something they don't? I don't care if you love WoW to bits. Why do you care if I like FFXIV excluding the fatigue system and slow menus?

I don't want FFXIV to be anything like WoW. That are my wants. Just like your wants are the opposite. People are differen't. Accept that and move on.

Thing is Londa you don't dislike WoW so stop fucking harping on about it, I mean you haven't even played the game.

If you had you would understand the kind of innovations it has brought to the genre.

 

[Khrno]

Thing is Londa you don't dislike WoW so stop fucking harping on about it, I mean you haven't even played the game.

Someone's getting mad here?

 

[falastini]

Aside from the mouse issue, S-E seems pretty decent about getting issues fixed between phases. They are sure to get a ton of feedback from all regions if it ends up being that bad.

Have they? In my opinion, they flat out ignored or dismissed the most pressing issues.

 

[Londa]

Thing is Londa you don't dislike WoW so stop fucking harping on about it, I mean you haven't even played the game.

If you had you would understand the kind of innovations it has brought to the genre.

Jinko, uh huh, uh huh, whatever. Thanks for searching through my comments just to say something negative back.

I don't have to like the game, end of argument.

 

[Jinko]

Someone's getting mad here?

Nah not really, I just thought that by cussing at her it might make her pay attention, nothing else seems to work.#

Thanks for searching through my comments just to say something negative back.

Hmmmm :|

I was actually catching up on the last 4 pages and saw something I couldn't not comment about.

Again you seem to have missed the point though so bravo.