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[sechsterangriff]

I got out of town and I'm already dead at first blow taken! LOL
I didn't go to town after I'm KOed so what the hell do I do now?

MMORPGs really aren't for me it seems... :lol

 

[Kyoufu]

I got out of town and I'm already dead at first blow taken! LOL
I didn't go to town after I'm KOed so what the hell do I do now?

MMORPGs really aren't for me it seems... :lol

The goat claims another victim.

 

[notworksafe]

They simply aren't going to put it in at launch so that the economy doesn't go to crap right off the bat. That's what I've read, but if I'm wrong my bad. ^^

This is something I don't understand. How would an AH ruin an economy? Seems having easier access to be able to buy things would lead to more gil floating around. It's not like retainers will stop things from being overpriced.

 

[sechsterangriff]

The goat claims another victim.

Actually I think it was a "Dodo" or something with a similar name.

I thought: "Here's something called "Dodo", not aggressive and right out of the city gates. I can probably attack it..."

That thing did over 300 hp damage with a single hit! :lol

 

[Scarecrow]

I got out of town and I'm already dead at first blow taken! LOL
I didn't go to town after I'm KOed so what the hell do I do now?

MMORPGs really aren't for me it seems... :lol

tell me about it. I haven't played an MMO since FF11. I'm so clueless that I'd be a hindrance to any team. I just want to shoot some magic at some dudes and get some neat clothes while I'm at it.

Is there anyone on Gaf who's like me? a beginner and want to try a harrowing journey of learning?

 

[Dega]

Actually I think it was a "Dodo" or something with a similar name.

I thought: "Here's something called "Dodo", not aggressive and right out of the city gates. I can probably attack it..."

That thing did over 300 hp damage with a single hit! :lol

That was one mean dodo.

 

[BeEatNU]

I got out of town and I'm already dead at first blow taken! LOL
I didn't go to town after I'm KOed so what the hell do I do now?

MMORPGs really aren't for me it seems... :lol

:lol

man i gotta watch out for this goat :lol

 

[Raging Spaniard]

the AUCTION HOUSE is canceled


introducing the superior AUCTION HORSE

Tell me moar

 

[Gravijah]

Tell me moar

once per day you may access your auction horse to sell or buy one item

 

[Deleted member 17706]

An MMO isn't worth buying if the devs couldn't even find the decency to prioritise an absolutely necessary feature such as an Auction House.

I disagree.

I far prefer the old Everquest style of people shouting out their wares in one big location. You could barter with people and get some killer deals. Having tons of actual people in one location was awesome, and there were always tons of social events and people just shooting the shit.

I far prefer that to some automated auction house, although I realize I am probably in the minority.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

By the way I dont think the opinion of "I played XI for a bajillion years and I cant stand this, wtf" holds water. Its a different game, its like validating your opinion on Final Fantasy XII because you played 200 hours of IX. This is a different game that yeah, has some similarities, but its pretty obvious that its a different game.

 

[Cmagus]

is any one having any issues with the updater? Last night it got to 94.8 but wouldnt go past it.I just now tried to play and it gets to the same and the download speed cuts right out it's acting weird

 

[sechsterangriff]

is any one having any issues with the updater? Last night it got to 94.8 but wouldnt go past it.I just now tried to play and it gets to the same and the download speed cuts right out it's acting weird

The updater is essentially a very bad bittorrent client. I suggest you go find the torrent files in the \Documents\My Games\FINAL FANTASY XIV Beta Version\downloads\ffxiv-beta, download them in a separate bittorrent client.

 

[fizzelopeguss]

I disagree.

I far prefer the old Everquest style of people shouting out their wares in one big location. You could barter with people and get some killer deals. Having tons of actual people in one location was awesome, and there were always tons of social events and people just shooting the shit.

All of which exists even with auction house, next.

 

[Dega]

is any one having any issues with the updater? Last night it got to 94.8 but wouldnt go past it.I just now tried to play and it gets to the same and the download speed cuts right out it's acting weird

Is it the 09.05.2000 update? Red background? Blue?

I posted those files in the last page or so that others can put in their folders to fix it. (09.04.2000 too)

 

[Alex]

By the way I dont think the opinion of "I played XI for a bajillion years and I cant stand this, wtf" holds water. Its a different game, its like validating your opinion on Final Fantasy XII because you played 200 hours of IX. This is a different game that yeah, has some similarities, but its pretty obvious that its a different game.

This would hold water if the entirety of the content wasn't such a step back and the game wasn't built around completely empty zones and 8 randomly generated quests every two days.

Most of the core of the game is cut from the same cloth, it's just done in a significantly worse manner while it tries to cover up it's lack of content and appeal to soloers in the most misguided way possible.

I personally would rather have it be entirely different than FF XI, including new races, new control methods, new visual style, etc, but if they can't hack it gameplay wise and the result is the worst of FFXI with the worst of MH, tied together with the invisible walls, fatigue and quest limits, then just do something that works and get back to fun zones and skillchains and shit.

 

[Cmagus]

yeah its the red background.Thanks i'll go grab them

 

[fizzelopeguss]

SE has said there won't be an AH at launch, or possibly ever.

In 6 months to a year this game ain't gonna be recognizable to the mess we have now, the devs and their "vision" will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century wether they like it or not.

 

[Cmagus]

I downloaded it and replaced it same size and all but still wont work ah well i'll just have to wait and see what happens no biggie

 

[fizzelopeguss]

I downloaded it and replaced it same size and all but still wont work ah well i'll just have to wait and see what happens no biggie

Try deleting rather than replacing?

 

[Raging Spaniard]

This would hold water if the entirety of the content wasn't such a step back and the game wasn't built around completely empty zones and 8 randomly generated quests every two days.

Most of the core of the game is cut from the same cloth, it's just done in a significantly worse manner while it tries to cover up it's lack of content and appeal to soloers in the most misguided way possible.

I personally would rather have it be entirely different than FF XI, including new races, new control methods, new visual style, etc, but if they can't hack it gameplay wise and the result is the worst of FFXI with the worst of MH, tied together with the invisible walls, fatigue and quest limits, then just do something that works and get back to fun zones and skillchains and shit.

Yeah but your opinion only works if you played the Japanese beta of FF XI. Its too early to dish out the criticisms youre dealing, I think.

 

[Cmagus]

didnt work still but torrent kicked in and it finished im good thanks for the help

 

[Jinko]

They simply aren't going to put it in at launch so that the economy doesn't go to crap right off the bat. That's what I've read, but if I'm wrong my bad. ^^

An yet they think that by not having an AH its going to creat a stable econemy ?

Just looking at the OB you can see that people have no idea what anything is worth, and most of us can't even find anything to buy anyway.

SE need to get a clue.

In 6 months to a year this game ain't gonna be recognizable to the mess we have now, the devs and their "vision" will be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century wether they like it or not.

Either that or it will die in transit.

 

[Londa]

lol I almost feel guilty for having fun playing this, lol. Some of you are waay picky or .. well, misinformed.

Don't be.

People get off at throwing misinformation around about the game to make it look bad while raging at anyone who ignores their cries and likes the game despite them.

 

[Suikoguy]

Yeah but your opinion only works if you played the Japanese beta of FF XI. Its too early to dish out the criticisms youre dealing, I think.

How was the jp beta anyway? For ffxi
I never heard about that part of the beta process

 

[Zomba13]

An yet they think that by not having an AH its going to creat a stable econemy ?

Just looking at the OB you can see that people have no idea what anything is worth, and most of us can't even find anything to buy anyway.

SE need to get a clue.



Either that or it will die in transit.

That is exactly my problem with this 'lack of AH at launch' thing. Fair enough them wanting a stable economy after what happened in ffxi, but things are going to be at huge prices ebcause of guild leves. I mean it's easy to make money from them. Like 50k a day easy and that's while leveling. FFXI had huge inflation and you got NO gil from exping. Maked a couple crystals and mob bits but they never sold for much, the money was in crafting and rare drops. The prices are going to be sky high due to the huge amount we get from leves and what we'll make from crafting.

Anyway, without a unified place to host our goods how do I know what is acceptable to sell my shoes at? I think they are worth 4 times the mat cost, so I sell them at that and make lots of money but some guy out there is selling his at 1.5x the cost and making not much. We'll both sell the same amount though because of how hard it is to search. Only way you'll know of deals is via your linkshell.

And prices of things will change when the AH is added anyway because it'll be a lot easier to find and sell your stuff.

 

[Londa]

How was the jp beta anyway? For ffxi
I never heard about that part of the beta process

I don't know where it is, but someone in one of the topics here provided a link to the early version updates starting with Closed Beta. People didn't get an AH until after retail release in Japan.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

How was the jp beta anyway? For ffxi
I never heard about that part of the beta process

I have no idea, first time I played XI was on the American release a year later.

 

[Bento]

Went to the Market Wards for the first time today.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am).

This retainer system allows you to hire a Retainer that you can place in the Market Wards, right?

So the players are actually not the ones selling the goods but a bot is.

So why am I going to instances consisting of Merchant Bots when I simply could have had an AH menu to scroll through instead? It's not like I'm having any dialog with these beings so I'm not really feeling that special atmosphere of people bartering or announcing their goods and whatnot. Just a corridor full of bots standing in their place, seems so inefficient and pointless. I understand the problem with having players standing around all day doing nothing in those instances but if you're not doing it that way or implement an AH then it simply becomes this weird compromise with none of benefits of either approach but with all the drawbacks.

On a more positive note though, played in a party with a friend of mine for the first time and that sure spiced things up. Did quests at Camp Drybone far before we were supposed to be there but it worked out quite nicely and provided us with some fun challenges (and loot! Got a Bronze Chainmail rank 12 item from a quest). Haven't figured out the Battle Regiment system yet though, anyone care to explain? : S

 

[twofold]

Yeah but your opinion only works if you played the Japanese beta of FF XI. Its too early to dish out the criticisms youre dealing, I think.

It isn't 2002 anymore. People aren't willing to pay for a beta test when there's a million and one other (better) choices out there.

Ever heard of Vanguard? Ffxiv is launching in just as bad a shape as that game. Look where that ended up.

 

[Velion]

Went to the Market Wards for the first time today.

Correct me if I'm wrong (I probably am).

This retainer system allows you to hire a Retainer that you can place in the Market Wards, right?

So the players are actually not the ones selling the goods but a bot is.

So why am I going to instances consisting of Merchant Bots when I simply could have had an AH menu to scroll through instead? It's not like I'm having any dialog with these beings so I'm not really feeling that special atmosphere of people bartering or announcing their goods and whatnot. Just a corridor full of bots standing in their place, seems so inefficient and pointless. I understand the problem with having players standing around all day doing nothing in those instances but if you're not doing it that way or implement an AH then it simply becomes this weird compromise with none of benefits of either approach but with all the drawbacks.

On a more positive note though, played in a party with a friend of mine for the first time and that sure spiced things up. Did quests at Camp Drybone far before we were supposed to be there but it worked out quite nicely and provided us with some fun challenges (and loot! Got a Bronze Chainmail rank 12 item from a quest). Haven't figured out the Battle Regiment system yet though, anyone care to explain? : S

That was their "Vision" they wanted, but I rather have a AH (even FFXI AH would do) so I wouldn't have to spend hours going through retainers to see either the item I wanted was overpriced, or not even listed.

 

[BlazingDarkness]

so i got accepted on my account for the beta, but i dont have a code, the email they sent me tells me to enter the code??? do i have to wait for them to send one?

 

[Bento]

It isn't 2002 anymore. People aren't willing to pay for a beta test when there's a million and one other (better) choices out there.

Ever heard of Vanguard? Ffxiv is launching in just as bad a shape as that game. Look where that ended up.

Now now! No need to for such exaggeration! : P

Vanguard is in a league of its own.

 

[notworksafe]

Yeah but your opinion only works if you played the Japanese beta of FF XI. Its too early to dish out the criticisms youre dealing, I think.

That's garbage. The beta of FFXI was eight (I think) years ago. If Square can't give us a game in better shape than beta/launch FFXI, a game that is almost a decade old, that's really sad.

 

[Raging Spaniard]

That's garbage. The beta of FFXI was seven (I think) years ago. If Square can't give us a game in better shape than beta/launch FFXI, a game that is almost a decade old, that's really sad.

7 Years ago people judged game betas and unfinished products as harshly as they do now. This is a new game with new tech, so I dont really see the difference there.

 

[DrForester]

Where are the market wards in LL? I thought the only shops were just the shops on the map. There's other places to buy things?

 

[twofold]

Now now! No need to for such exaggeration! : P

Vanguard is in a league of its own.

I dunno, bud! I see a lot of similarities!

Tanaka is obviously the Japanese Mcquaid. It's all about the vision, man. That's all that matters.

7 Years ago people judged game betas and unfinished products as harshly as they do now. This is a new game with new tech, so I dont really see the difference there.

You know, sometime in the last seven years, a little game came out that kinda changed the MMO landscape and changed people's expectations. It set a high precedent with unrivaled polish right out the gate and subsequently set the bar very, very high. Ever since then, every MMO has been measured against it and it's pretty damn hard to beat. It's called World of Warcraft - ever heard of it?

 

[notworksafe]

7 Years ago people judged game betas and unfinished products as harshly as they do now. This is a new game with new tech, so I dont really see the difference there.

But it is a step backwards in many ways from their previous game (which is almost a decade old), and a failure to evolve with the current PC market in others.

No hardware mouse cursor. Pretty much every PC game for a long number of years has figured out a hardware mouse is superior.
No customizable keys. Has been in PC games since the days of Doom and other even older games.
No Auction House at launch. FFXI has an AH. Why not port it over?
No endgame at launch. Not a single dungeon or instance. People don't like to just hang around doing nothing when they reach max. Oh wait, that isn't an issue because...
Fatigue system in place to slow people down because of the lack of endgame content, but supposedly helps casuals. Suuuuuure.
Overly long cooldown timer on quests. Can only do 8 quests ever two days. Ridiculous.
Can't alt+tab in fullscreen without crashing. Are you serious with this Square?
UI lag is still awful, even at this late stage.
Some notices/errors are still not translated. Once again, why not?
Crafting system is obtuse, all systems lack even the option for a more in-depth tutorial. Many systems are just not explained at all. This will of course strongly appeal to casuals.

These are all things that have either been implemented in their previous MMO or have been in MMO or all types of PC games for 5-10 years (or longer in some cases). They should be embarrassed to have this game shown publicly with this issues.

I'm not saying there aren't good things about the game. I like the battles, love the visuals, and am enjoying the story. But there are many, many things wrong with it as well. Especially for a PC game coming out in the year 2010 (that goes double for one that is coming out in less than 3 weeks). We shouldn't be comparing it with a game that came out in 2002-2003.

 

[DrForester]

Unless you played the FFXI beta or FFXI JPN launch (and more power to you if you did).

By the time the USA got FFXi major bugs were gone and there was already an expansion

 

[Salaadin]

I don't know where it is, but someone in one of the topics here provided a link to the early version updates starting with Closed Beta. People didn't get an AH until after retail release in Japan.

Might not be exact but I found some:

2001 beta test details
2002 changes
2003 changes

 

[Dega]

Where are the market wards in LL? I thought the only shops were just the shops on the map. There's other places to buy things?

Southern Islands (Southern part of Limsa Upper Decks)

 

[Nemo]

Is it normal for the update patch to take a long time to install?

Not downloading btw, but actually installing

 

[Raging Spaniard]

I dunno, bud! I see a lot of similarities!

Tanaka is obviously the Japanese Mcquaid. It's all about the vision, man. That's all that matters.

You know, sometime in the last seven years, a little game came out that kinda changed the MMO landscape and changed people's expectations. It set a high precedent with unrivaled polish right out the gate and subsequently set the bar very, very high. Ever since then, every MMO has been measured against it and it's pretty damn hard to beat. It's called World of Warcraft - ever heard of it?

Is that popular in China? SE has always done its own thing, I honestly dont want them to start copying Blizzard, we already have Mythic for that.

Listen Im not saying the game doesnt have issues or that Im not pissed about this downloader BS, all Im saying is that some of the judging going on is getting ridiculous, specially given how a lot of these gameplay objections have to be judged over an extended period of time, given the genre. Seems like everybody wants either the mix of Wow and FF XI or FF XI all over again. This game is at least trying some different things.

 

[notworksafe]

Is that popular in China?

Yes, very much so. I believe it has been estimated at around 4-6 million players

 

[fizzelopeguss]

Anyone here speak japanese? i'm interested in what the natives think.

Is that popular in China? SE has always done its own thing, I honestly dont want them to start copying Blizzard, we already have Mythic for that.

Listen Im not saying the game doesnt have issues or that Im not pissed about this downloader BS, all Im saying is that some of the judging going on is getting ridiculous, specially given how a lot of these gameplay objections have to be judged over an extended period of time, given the genre. Seems like everybody wants either the mix of Wow and FF XI or FF XI all over again. This game is at least trying some different things.

if this didn't have final fantasy in the name are you seriously telling me you'd give this game the time of day?

 

[Raging Spaniard]

Anyone here speak japanese? i'm interested in what the natives think.

if this didn't have final fantasy in the name are you seriously telling me you'd give this game the time of day?

Ive said several times Im having fun, dunno whats so hard to understand about that. I mean yeah, you hate it, cool, doesnt mean everyone does.

 

[twofold]

Is that popular in China? SE has always done its own thing, I honestly dont want them to start copying Blizzard, we already have Mythic for that.

Listen Im not saying the game doesnt have issues or that Im not pissed about this downloader BS, all Im saying is that some of the judging going on is getting ridiculous, specially given how a lot of these gameplay objections have to be judged over an extended period of time, given the genre. Seems like everybody wants either the mix of Wow and FF XI or FF XI all over again. This game is at least trying some different things.

Yeah, but different doesn't always mean good. Ffxiv has some cool ideas (the weapon/class switching, for example, is brilliant) but it has so many other terrible ones that greatly overshadow the good ones. It also doesn't help that the UI that we directly interact with is godawfully terribad.

I think the reason why people are so anti-ffxiv is that there is so much potential there had the designers gone out and actually played some other MMOs released over the last ten years. I know that that's how I feel. I played ffxi for long enough to get two 75s and haven't touched a MMO since I quit WoW years back. Ffxiv was looking and sounding brilliant.. Until I played it. I haven't been so disappointed by a game since Vanguard. Seriously.

I agree that MMOs are very difficult to judge gameplay wise, but I'm not going to waste hours of my time playing something that's "not fun" anymore, especially when there are plenty of other games that will deliver and put a smile on my face. I played a lot of shitty games in the past and was more than happy to pay to beta test, but WoW changed all that. If a game doesn't grab me from the outset, then I'm moving on. I gave Ffxiv five hours and all I got was a headache at the end of it.

If you like the game, great. Enjoy it and I hope they deliver awesome content come retail. But you have to realize that you're in the vast minority. Most people are not having a good time which indicates that there's major problems with the game in it's current form. Now, hopefully SE will listen to player feedback and have a game that's worth playing further down the line.

Chances are, though, I (and many, many others) won't care. There's too many awesome looking MMO prospects on the horizon to hope that SE, a company that is notorious for taking a long time to produce and release content, will fix this game.

 

[Rentahamster]

Lolo, if you see this my game just crashed. I'm at 30, 30 right now tho

 

[Raging Spaniard]

If you like the game, great. Enjoy it and I hope they deliver awesome content come retail. But you have to realize that you're in the vast minority. Most people are not having a good time

Jeez man, jump to conclusions much? What GAF or any other forum thinks does NOT equal any sort of majority

 

[Torquill]

FF XIV won't end up like Vanguard. SE has the money to keep it afloat until they fix it. Sigil didn't and had to shitcan everyone in the parking lot.

What gets me is. I know why Sigil rushed it out the door. They were out of money. What is SE's excuse?