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Final Round 16: The Mustache Curls Back | Fighting Game Tournament | Mar 29-31

2D fighting games without interesting characters, with shoddy animations, and with a list of normals 10 pages long to replace depth.


Really now? Sounds like the words of the ignorant are stinking up the joint in here.

2D fighters and 3D fighters have similar basics. You have your rushdown, zoning, poking, turtle, etc... character types. Outside of that, they are very different beasts. People can like what they like, but all of the games that were showcased at the tournament deserve to be respected.

Final Round has historically been a Tekken major when it comes to turnouts for a while now. It deserves the most stream time for that reason alone. Simple as that.
 
You choose to ignore the simple demographics of Evo, what am I supposed to do? Evo is the biggest tourney but it is US tourney so there aren't going to be enough foreigners to take all the top spots. Good players knock each other out and players like Henry Cen or Mike Ross can end up near the top as result.

I notice that you disregard demographics because you don't consider randoms. So I now ask who do you consider?

You're right that I should just accept that you will ignore all metrics that prove you wrong instead of thinking that there is some metric that you would accept where you are wrong.
Mike Ross not a good player confirmed.
 
Really now? Sounds like the words of the ignorant are stinking up the joint in here.

2D fighters and 3D fighters have similar basics. You have your rushdown, zoning, poking, turtle, etc... character types. Outside of that, they are very different beasts. People can like what they like, but all of the games that were showcased at the tournament deserve to be respected.

Final Round has historically been a Tekken major when it comes to turnouts for a while now. It deserves the most stream time for that reason alone. Simple as that.

https://twitter.com/teamspooky/status/318175043035201536
 
I had this gif ready to go if Yipes played on stream. Guess that's not going to happen oh well.

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Really now? Sounds like the words of the ignorant are stinking up the joint in here.

2D fighters and 3D fighters have similar basics. You have your rushdown, zoning, poking, turtle, etc... character types. Outside of that, they are very different beasts. People can like what they like, but all of the games that were showcased at the tournament deserve to be respected.

Final Round has historically been a Tekken major when it comes to turnouts for a while now. It deserves the most stream time for that reason alone. Simple as that.

Don't fall for the bait haha. You just have to get used to him (and some others) that like to troll. They don't even play the game, and it's essentially arguing with an illiterate.
 
For all the talk about Tekken what I wanted to know is why they streamed SFxT instead on the FunkyP stream. That made a lot less sense.

Because it's a secondary game right now? It got snubbed at Winter Brawl for everything but the Top 8 or whatever so being able to see some of the matches prior to it is fantastic. Wouldn't have gotten Tampa Bison vs Infiltration otherwise and various other good matches.

Don't fall for the bait haha. You just have to get used to him (and some others) that like to troll. They don't even play the game, and it's essentially arguing with an illiterate.

This too.
 
SC5? I find it pretty bleh. It's definitely the best of the 3 most recent SC games but it just really lacks otherwise to me. It feels the farthest changed from what it was of any of the 3D series. VF5FS and TTT2 are definitely by far the better games.
Too much time put into that character creation crap.

Because it's a secondary game right now? It got snubbed at Winter Brawl for everything but the Top 8 or whatever so being able to see some of the matches prior to it is fantastic. Wouldn't have gotten Tampa Bison vs Infiltration otherwise and various other good matches.
SFxT can get snubbed off the map, and it would be for the greater good.
 
Then why are all of the top US Marvel players also top US Street Fighter players? Coincidence?
"Honestly", lol.


I've never played a Tekken game seriously because 3D fighting games are inherently inferior to 2D fighting games:
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/domination_101/2d_vs_3d/

Are you really using a decade old article to justify your reasoning for not even trying to play 3D fighters?

Article summary: Fireballs add range play.

And your reasoning is 2D fighters are superior as a result? Are you aware of the changes 3D fighters have went through in the past 10 years? Tekken isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.

I would suggest you actually try to play some 3D fighting games before making bold statements like that. Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is one of the deepest, most well-balanced and one of the greatest fighters of all time. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't played it.
 
[QUOTE="God's Beard!";52118583]Man, Soul Calibur 5 was so close. Dev team really got fucked over on the time limits.[/QUOTE]

SC5 was doomed the minute Daishi played 3S. Take the 3S fetishism out and give him some more time it would have been the best SC ever.

EX moves, supers and parries were outright ripped off from 3S- Daishi even admitted it himself. They just didn't fit in the series at all.
 
So the solution is for every fighting game community to have its own stream that runs their game on it all the time until Sunday finals. No scheduling conflicts, no unsatisfied viewers.
 
So the solution is for every fighting game community to have it's own stream that runs their game on it all the time until Sunday finals. No scheduling conflicts, no unsatisfied viewers.

That's what anime players do, for the most part.
That's probably why they don't complain as much.
 
Like I said, link me a video. None of those 3D game elements you listed are specific to 3D games except for "evasion", which is the sum total of what it means to be a 3D fighting game.
Good Algol footage is unfortunately pretty rare, but here's a decent example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyYQZvoC_A4

This particular player doesn't use projectiles a whole hell of a lot, but they definitely come in to play.

Those elements may not be unique to 3D games in and of themselves, but the ways in which 3D games approach them (which is what makes them interesting) definitely are. Evasion is important in 2D games as well, btw.

EDIT: SCV had some intriguing ideas that were executed to varying success. It's still a good game. Way better than SC4.
 
So the solution is for every fighting game community to have its own stream that runs their game on it all the time until Sunday finals. No scheduling conflicts, no unsatisfied viewers.

You need a Marvel stream, a other Capcom games stream, an anime stream, and a 3D stream. that covers most folks. No idea where you'd fit MK, probably with the anime crowd. They need more Baraka in their diet anyways.
 
You need a Marvel stream, a other Capcom games stream, an anime stream, and a 3D stream. that covers most folks. No idea where you'd fit MK, probably with the anime crowd. They need more Baraka in their diet anyways.

NEC was basically this and there were still issues when Jaxel ran SCV for like 8 hours straight and no TTT2 at all until like 3 matches at the end of the night.
 
Honest question: if Final Round is a Tekken-oriented tournament, why is UMvC3 the main event? I'm surprised no one has been upset by that yet.

Are you really using a decade old article to justify your reasoning for not even trying to play 3D fighters?
Why the hell does the article's age matter?

Article summary: Fireballs add range play.
Nope.

And your reasoning is 2D fighters are superior as a result? Are you aware of the changes 3D fighters have went through in the past 10 years? Tekken isn't the same as it was 10 years ago.
I should hope not.

I would suggest you actually try to play some 3D fighting games before making bold statements like that. Tekken Tag Tournament 2 is one of the deepest, most well-balanced and one of the greatest fighters of all time. But you wouldn't know that because you haven't played it.
I've watched enough to know it hasn't changed fundamentally. Do you think I close the stream every time it comes on? I watch through it quite often.

If I think Jello tastes awful, I don't need to try every new Jello flavor and recipe that comes out to know I hate Jello. I don't care if its raspberry or blueberry, I don't like the texture. Ye dig? TTT2 is nothing new to me, it's the same game in terms of what I dislike about the series. Especially those shoddy character animations.

I love Jello.

Good Algol footage is unfortunately pretty rare, but here's a decent example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyYQZvoC_A4

This particular player doesn't use projectiles a whole hell of a lot, but they definitely come in to play.

Those elements may not be unique to 3D games in and of themselves, but the ways in which 3D games approach them (which is what makes them interesting) definitely are. Evasion is important in 2D games as well, btw.

EDIT: SCV had some intriguing ideas that were executed to varying success. It's still a good game. Way better than SC4.
I haven't played a Soul Calibur game since SCIII, but I loved that game (at a casual level). Especially playing on that ice rink stage - oh man, so many good times.

The projectiles used in that video look like they can be sidestepped, which is what S-Kill meant by 3D games not having projectiles. There's no real pressure created by them because they get sidestepped. In Street Fighter, Guile can use a Sonic Boom to force someone to block or jump, and jumping has consequences. Not so in that game, by the looks of what I saw. At least that's what I gathered from the video provided; fireballs were used in 3 ways:
1) Paced so they hit on wakeup (not space control).
2) Targetted at the opponent (easy sidestep).
3) Targetted to the opponent's side (trying to bait them into a sidestep? That's what it looked like - a non-factor, then).

It's still not doing anything like what a fireball does in a 2D game.

By "evasion", I thought you meant sidestepping.
 
Honest question: if Final Round is a Tekken-oriented tournament, why is UMvC3 the main event? I'm surprised no one has been upset by that yet.
You put the biggest viewership event on last in hopes of exposing people to the other attractions that come before it.
 
You need a Marvel stream, a other Capcom games stream, an anime stream, and a 3D stream. that covers most folks. No idea where you'd fit MK, probably with the anime crowd. They need more Baraka in their diet anyways.
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People are really pining for a Mahvel exclusive stream? Is that an actual thing? Also, anime with MK. I'd have to tune in just to see the chat reactions when they switch back and forth.
 
For how much marvel was at FR, it definitely needed a dedicated stream. Though Marvel has stolen the spotlight many times.
 
You put the biggest viewership event on last in hopes of exposing people to the other attractions that come before it.

Yep. That's the entire point of a main card event. It's the match that draws the most people to watch and folks will watch other stuff while waiting to see it. It usually helps to build appeal overall.

Of course, most stream monsters are dingbats that can't enjoy a fighting game for the competitive aspect alone.
 
You put the biggest viewership event on last in hopes of exposing people to the other attractions that come before it.

Spooky already said this before. It's not about the numbers. It's about supporting the people that put the money to attend the tournament. The actual players matter more than the spectators. ATL is Tekken country. Final Round has been a Tekken major for the longest time. Why wouldn't Tekken be streamed longer?

Suggestions for part of the marvel fanbase that likes to whine and cry. Stop being man children and deal with it. You come off as extremely rude, disrespectful and entitled.


Why the hell does the article's age matter?
Because fighting games are forever changing and are not the same as they were 10 years ago.

More like yes.
I really would like you to do better than linking me a 10 year article. Provide your own reasons and justifications for why you find 3D fighters inferior. But you can't do that because you don't play them.


I've watched enough to know it hasn't changed fundamentally. Do you think I close the stream every time it comes on? I watch through it quite often.

Watching =/= Playing.
 
Because Seth pretty much had to recant everything he said in that article when pushing SFxT, and even after leaving Capcom doing commentary at Super Arcade.

But please continue.
What does it matter if, as a professional, Seth has to talk with a little more dulce now?

Edit: Sayah, fix your quote tags and I'll respond.

Because fighting games are forever changing and are not the same as they were 10 years ago.
Fundamentally? Not so. Tell me something that has fundamentally changed the 2D vs. 3D dynamic since 5 years ago (or since Soul Edge, whenever that was).

More like yes.
I really would like you to do better than linking me a 10 year article. Provide your own reasons and justifications for why you find 3D fighters inferior. But you can't do that because you don't play them.
When someone says something that captures your own opinion, I find it acceptable to cite them. I can restate the argument in that article I linked, but those are my reasons, and they are reasons that I had before I discovered that series of articles.

Watching =/= Playing.
I'm not going to buy and learn a complicated a game I'm not interested in just to restate what I can clearly see on any stream.
 
Spooky already said this before. It's not about the numbers. It's about supporting the people that put the money to attend the tournament. The actual players matter more than the spectators. ATL is Tekken country. Final Round has been a Tekken major for the longest time. Why wouldn't Tekken be streamed longer?

Suggestions for part of the marvel fanbase that likes to whine and cry. Stop being man children and deal with it. You come off as extremely rude, disrespectful and entitled.
Huh? We've been speaking in reference to the finals day scheduling, not today's stream.
 
Has there been any mention of "The Fall Classic" yet or are they probably saving that for the last day? They said they would announce the date and location during FR so I'm just wondering if they have done that yet.
 
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