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Final showdown vs Ultimate showdown
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01011001
Banned
Ultimate Showdown doesn't let you invite people and the lobby search feature DOES NOT show all lobbies.
i literally had to refresh the lobbies for 10 min until I finally found the lobby of my friend.
also the graphics look off to me. they are better in a strictly technological sense, but I honestly like the look of Final Showdown, and especially the look of the original VF5 (360 version) more.
also, maybe I'm tripping, but Final Showdown feels snappier and just better to play to me...
this could be down to me being super used to playing on an Xbox controllee in VF5, but I don't know, it feels off.
Ultimate Showdown feels almost more barebones than Final Showdown even, although the menu presentation is way better.
so I'm torn, but so far, Final Showdown is the winner for me still
i literally had to refresh the lobbies for 10 min until I finally found the lobby of my friend.
also the graphics look off to me. they are better in a strictly technological sense, but I honestly like the look of Final Showdown, and especially the look of the original VF5 (360 version) more.
also, maybe I'm tripping, but Final Showdown feels snappier and just better to play to me...
this could be down to me being super used to playing on an Xbox controllee in VF5, but I don't know, it feels off.
Ultimate Showdown feels almost more barebones than Final Showdown even, although the menu presentation is way better.
so I'm torn, but so far, Final Showdown is the winner for me still
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SkylineRKR
Member
Ultimate is better. But there are some weird decisions going on, the netcode not being modernized is one. I don't think there is any difference in gameplay, Ultimate plays excellent with my N Hayabusa stick. I like the presentation more also.
PhaseJump
Banned
Ultimate is just Final Showdown remade in a new game engine with better graphics.
It's net code is shit. It's match making is broken and a joke. It's limited to one platform and will die out quickly once casuals find new games to play.
"e-SpOrTs!" Fuck off, Sega. Give us the quest mode while you figure out how to make lag free "e-SpOrTs!"
It's net code is shit. It's match making is broken and a joke. It's limited to one platform and will die out quickly once casuals find new games to play.
"e-SpOrTs!" Fuck off, Sega. Give us the quest mode while you figure out how to make lag free "e-SpOrTs!"
01011001
Banned
what I gonna say also, Final Showdown and the original VF5 both looked absolutely excellent for their time... Ultimate Showdown already looks dated as hell. it runs at 1080p on PS4 Pro!... like... what? it also seems to lack any AntiAliasing, or the AA that is there simply is terrible. which results in the 360 version of VF5 looking actually less flickery
so... I mean... it is nice to see VF return, but I can't shake off the feeling that this is very underwhelming. and I once again just am reminded that I don't like the Dragon engine
so... I mean... it is nice to see VF return, but I can't shake off the feeling that this is very underwhelming. and I once again just am reminded that I don't like the Dragon engine
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Neff
Member
I notice more frame drops in Ultimate, but for the most part the game performs very well. The intro and the retro DLC stuff is nice. I still feel like FS was a better package overall, but this is still an absolutely unmissable game for fighting fans, especially since it's essentially free for Plus subscribers.
The netcode is fine. I've been playing all evening and haven't had a single laggy match.
The netcode is fine. I've been playing all evening and haven't had a single laggy match.
RobRSG
Member
Yeah, maybe my Xbox Series X and PS5 are defective.
Props to Sega for keeping the good ol' netcode from VF5 Online days!
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01011001
Banned
a few examples of what I find to be off about the new visuals
first of all, some stages either lack real time reflections or the cubemaps of the reflections have been replaced by simply worse looking and inaccurate ones
Notice in the first image, how the reflection correctly corresponds with the hills and mountains in the background, while on PS4 it is a simplified cubemap that does not match the hills in the back. there are just random bumps in the reflection
here a better look on how inaccurate the reflections are in the new version:
and in this stage the reflections are missing almost completely
it was visual flourishes like that that made VF5 and Final Showdown look so "next gen" at the time and which makes everything look so much more cohesive. the game had multiple stages with real time planar reflections, which reflected much of the stage AND the characters in real time. ultimate Showdown has not single stage as far as I've seen with real time reflections
here an example from the OG VF5, notice how much of the background and the 2 characters are reflected in real time using a mix of planar reflections and a cubemap
not every detail is always reflecting, and some stages did not have real time reflections for the characters, but at least they somewhat tried to make them look as accurate as possible given the render budget.
meanwhile in Ultimate Showdown, they either completely removed the reflections and replaced the wet ground with dry ground:
or you have shit like this:
look at this blurry, inaccurate mess!
here the version from Final Showdown with real time character reflections!
and the second part that looks off are some of the characters, here is a side by side of Vanessa:
they completely changed her face for some reason... looks off to me. but not every chatacter looks worse, some look better
_______________________________
so all in all, the issue I think I have with this version is, it lacks all the ambition the original and Final Showdown had. the meshes might have 10x the polygons, the hair is now not only a texture anymore and the backgrounds have more detail, sure... but if you look not only at the timeframe of release but also the amount of care put into making the game look as cohesive and polished as possible is just not there IMO.
they made extra sure that reflections look as accurate as possible for the hardware in the originals, and the new one just slaps an inaccurate reflection map on water surfaces and replaces all the other reflecting surfaces with matte ones. the original was a truly next gen experience, top of the line... when it released, while Ultimate Showdown looks worse than the average PS4 game
first of all, some stages either lack real time reflections or the cubemaps of the reflections have been replaced by simply worse looking and inaccurate ones
Notice in the first image, how the reflection correctly corresponds with the hills and mountains in the background, while on PS4 it is a simplified cubemap that does not match the hills in the back. there are just random bumps in the reflection
here a better look on how inaccurate the reflections are in the new version:
and in this stage the reflections are missing almost completely
it was visual flourishes like that that made VF5 and Final Showdown look so "next gen" at the time and which makes everything look so much more cohesive. the game had multiple stages with real time planar reflections, which reflected much of the stage AND the characters in real time. ultimate Showdown has not single stage as far as I've seen with real time reflections
here an example from the OG VF5, notice how much of the background and the 2 characters are reflected in real time using a mix of planar reflections and a cubemap
not every detail is always reflecting, and some stages did not have real time reflections for the characters, but at least they somewhat tried to make them look as accurate as possible given the render budget.
meanwhile in Ultimate Showdown, they either completely removed the reflections and replaced the wet ground with dry ground:
or you have shit like this:
look at this blurry, inaccurate mess!
here the version from Final Showdown with real time character reflections!
and the second part that looks off are some of the characters, here is a side by side of Vanessa:
they completely changed her face for some reason... looks off to me. but not every chatacter looks worse, some look better
_______________________________
so all in all, the issue I think I have with this version is, it lacks all the ambition the original and Final Showdown had. the meshes might have 10x the polygons, the hair is now not only a texture anymore and the backgrounds have more detail, sure... but if you look not only at the timeframe of release but also the amount of care put into making the game look as cohesive and polished as possible is just not there IMO.
they made extra sure that reflections look as accurate as possible for the hardware in the originals, and the new one just slaps an inaccurate reflection map on water surfaces and replaces all the other reflecting surfaces with matte ones. the original was a truly next gen experience, top of the line... when it released, while Ultimate Showdown looks worse than the average PS4 game
supernova8
Banned
JTCx
Member
Its not fine, those not living near google relay servers are getting worse experience. Its basically fuck all to those who dont live in US, parts EU, and SE Asia.
GreetingsMortal
Member
The netcode has been okay for me since I live closer than some to a relay server thankfully.
Honestly though it brings tears to my eyes seeing people talking about VF again, seeing hundreds of lobbies and getting to find ranked matches in my fave fg ever with no wait times.
I know it's not perfect but I'm super happy VF is back and with more people playing right now than ever.
Honestly though it brings tears to my eyes seeing people talking about VF again, seeing hundreds of lobbies and getting to find ranked matches in my fave fg ever with no wait times.
I know it's not perfect but I'm super happy VF is back and with more people playing right now than ever.
kunonabi
Gold Member
Personally I prefer 5 prior to the overhaul which started in what R? As for Final vs Ultimate I think I prefer Final. I like the character models and colors better. The blacks all look grey now and some of the facial customs like stubble are way less visible now. Haven't tried online yet but I remember having a pretty good experience with Final.
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PleaseDontBanMe
Banned
i think
the latest version will always be the best by default
unless its about modern pop music
the latest version will always be the best by default
unless its about modern pop music
bender
What time is it?
a few examples of what I find to be off about the new visuals
first of all, some stages either lack real time reflections or the cubemaps of the reflections have been replaced by simply worse looking and inaccurate ones
Notice in the first image, how the reflection correctly corresponds with the hills and mountains in the background, while on PS4 it is a simplified cubemap that does not match the hills in the back. there are just random bumps in the reflection
here a better look on how inaccurate the reflections are in the new version:
and in this stage the reflections are missing almost completely
it was visual flourishes like that that made VF5 and Final Showdown look so "next gen" at the time and which makes everything look so much more cohesive. the game had multiple stages with real time planar reflections, which reflected much of the stage AND the characters in real time. ultimate Showdown has not single stage as far as I've seen with real time reflections
here an example from the OG VF5, notice how much of the background and the 2 characters are reflected in real time using a mix of planar reflections and a cubemap
not every detail is always reflecting, and some stages did not have real time reflections for the characters, but at least they somewhat tried to make them look as accurate as possible given the render budget.
meanwhile in Ultimate Showdown, they either completely removed the reflections and replaced the wet ground with dry ground:
or you have shit like this:
look at this blurry, inaccurate mess!
here the version from Final Showdown with real time character reflections!
and the second part that looks off are some of the characters, here is a side by side of Vanessa:
they completely changed her face for some reason... looks off to me. but not every chatacter looks worse, some look better
_______________________________
so all in all, the issue I think I have with this version is, it lacks all the ambition the original and Final Showdown had. the meshes might have 10x the polygons, the hair is now not only a texture anymore and the backgrounds have more detail, sure... but if you look not only at the timeframe of release but also the amount of care put into making the game look as cohesive and polished as possible is just not there IMO.
they made extra sure that reflections look as accurate as possible for the hardware in the originals, and the new one just slaps an inaccurate reflection map on water surfaces and replaces all the other reflecting surfaces with matte ones. the original was a truly next gen experience, top of the line... when it released, while Ultimate Showdown looks worse than the average PS4 game
Great post.
I just wish we could get the single player content back from the PS3 version.
