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Firmware update v2.5 for the PS3

Instead of having a 0% trophy completion on a game if you don't have it, it should just be a "-". I hate looking a people profiles and not knowing which games they own/haven't play, or don't own.

Next update?
 

nofi

Member
I don't like plugging my own site, but this is pretty interesting. It's a translation we got from a Japanese interview on PS3 and PSP firmwares:

SCE (Umemura), on the reason for implementing simultaneous updates for PS3 and PSP:

With respect to the PSP, enabling direct access to the PS Store was the biggest change. But doing so required support on the PS Store server-side. While there were changes on the PS3 side as well with PlayStation Network account management and other functions were moved over to the XMB, since the same servers are used for the PSP, we wanted the changes to the PSP to coincide with those on the PS3 side (in the interests of maintaining compatibility).

SCE (Noda), on DRM for downloadable contents:

“Device Authentication” is carried out when transferring content. While this was implemented in the past when transferring from the PS3 or PC, in the case of direct access (to the store) from the PSP, this authentication is carried out on a per unit basis when downloading. This device authentication is something that authenticates the PSP unit. Therefore, even a memory stick holding this data is inserted into another unauthenticated PSP, it won’t run.

SCE (Takase) On PS3 Browser:

Even using our own benchmarks, the Java Script execution speed is 2.8 times faster than the previous version, and is of a comparable level to viewing on PCs… while it loses out to browsers such as Google Chrome that have made recent advances, we believe it is faster than regular browsers such as IE7.

The PS3’s memory has always posed problems. However, since we have supported “virtual memory” using the hard disk from Version 2.0 onwards, this has been eased to some extent. Even so, since accessing data from the HDD reduces speed, the fact that there is a struggle with memory hasn’t changed.

Playback of H.264 content from within Flash is handled through an independent process on an SPU. Processing different aspects of the web browser independently has the characteristic of making it easier to improve frame rates. While I’d stop short of saying we will eliminate all dropped frames in the future, this can be considered a strength unique to the PS3.

SCE (Takase) on Chroma Up-sampling:

Even up to now we have been doing 4:2:0-to-4:2:2 up-sampling. But we introduced features to produce an even higher quality output this time. While this will of course have some effect on HD picture quality, since HD by nature is higher quality, it will not be that noticeable. For SD, however, you will clearly see the effects of the improved picture quality.

Q: Specifically what kind of algorithm processing is being carried out?

A (Takase): When converting from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2, we carry out a kind of chroma upsampling processing that adjusts to movement in the footage. A special method unique to the PS3 is used to process the video. However, please allow me to keep the technical specifics of this undisclosed.

Q: Why can’t Blu-Ray discs recorded with the BDMV format use the chroma upsampling function?

A (Takase): If this is requested by customers we will consider supporting it, but as always, we do not intend to implement features as console functions if users cannot experience any benefits from those features.

SCE (Matsui) on future firmware updates:

In future updates, there are thoughts of raising the level of interaction, in the sense of “interactive entertainment”. Among those ideas are enabling the PSP to cope with more processing while using computational resources on the PS3 side for areas where the PSP lacks resources, so we think that interaction between the two systems will be possible by having them successfully complement each other .

In addition, as with Life with PlayStation, we take the approach of making the PS3 something people will use from when they wake up, like switching it on to watch the news in the morning. Since we believe that there must still be many areas in with both the PS3 and PSP can be of use in people’s daily lives, we want to continue to make firmware updates with this perspective in mind.

SCE (Umemura) on the lack of ad-hoc WIFI support on the 20 GB PS3:

At present, an add-in such as a USB WIFI adapter is difficult. So for the 20GB model, there is unfortunately no solution.
 

agm2502

Member
Has youtube stopped working for anyone else in this update? sometimes when I play a video on youtube there is sound but just a blank picture, this never happened before the update and all the flash 9 sites work fine. Is there a fix for it?
 
Aparently 2.51 is out:

You can download it if you want to be all fancy. I don't know why it has released for retail stores first but hey! shit happens!

Download: PS3 DEMO Firmware 2.51 (US) / PS3 DEMO Firmware 2.51 (EU)



In other (old) news, Jeff Rubenstein trolls GAF:

Jeff Rubenstein said:
I do read N4G and, when I have the time, scan the boards at NeoGAF. There’s a lot of fanboy action on both sites, so try not to take things too personally.

Especially when you see garbage like this.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
nofi said:
SCE (Takase) on Chroma Up-sampling:

Even up to now we have been doing 4:2:0-to-4:2:2 up-sampling. But we introduced features to produce an even higher quality output this time. While this will of course have some effect on HD picture quality, since HD by nature is higher quality, it will not be that noticeable. For SD, however, you will clearly see the effects of the improved picture quality.

Q: Specifically what kind of algorithm processing is being carried out?

A (Takase): When converting from 4:2:0 to 4:2:2, we carry out a kind of chroma upsampling processing that adjusts to movement in the footage. A special method unique to the PS3 is used to process the video. However, please allow me to keep the technical specifics of this undisclosed.
nofi ... are you stating this is supposedly in firmware 2.5? I haven't tested DVD's yet.


Either way, I remember some mention of this a long time ago, and coincidentally it was brought up a week or two ago.

I'm curious what this motion processing is? Any way anyone can get more info? The original stuff I was talking about (that was mentioned a while back) was for potentially output deep color for SD scaling. I wonder if this is doing 10 or 12-bit 4:2:2? That would be pretty kick ass.

Q: Why can’t Blu-Ray discs recorded with the BDMV format use the chroma upsampling function?

A (Takase): If this is requested by customers we will consider supporting it, but as always, we do not intend to implement features as console functions if users cannot experience any benefits from those features.

If they can pull off 10 or 12-bit chroma upsampling of HD material in SW ... that would be a pretty impressive feat. CELL ftw.
 

Bii

Member
agm2502 said:
Has youtube stopped working for anyone else in this update? sometimes when I play a video on youtube there is sound but just a blank picture, this never happened before the update and all the flash 9 sites work fine. Is there a fix for it?

This happened to me as well. I played a different video and both audio/video worked for that one. I'm not quite sure where that problem is stemming from. At least the videos on GameTrailers work perfectly fine.
 

Raistlin

Post Count: 9999
Mr. Wonderful said:
What's this chroma thing now? It sounds like the PS3 is doing some kind of image improvements, but in what way?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling

DVD's are encoded using 4:2:0 Y'CbCr. However, all players (even the very oldest interlaced models) upsample the chroma info to 8-bit 4:2:2 as part of its MPEG decoder. Some have upsampling errors (look up CUE (chroma upsampling error) at an A/V site for more info), but regardless, conversion to 4:2:2 always occurs.


The question is what exactly is the PS3 version doing differently? I'm sure there are quite a few variations to the algorithm, but to make a point of this new one means:

* Either its a very new approach that yields more accurate results (or is claimed to)

and/or

* This (like a few video processors, and a handful of DVD/BD players) actually does all processing at a higher bit-depth, and will actually pass it out as 4:2:2 at 10-bit or maybe even 12-bit color depth.



Most TV's that accept 4:4:4 Y'CbCr will also accept 4:2:2 at higher color depth (its taking advantage of the fact 4:2:2 uses lower color resolution - basically, there is sufficient bandwidth to use higher color depth).

If its 12-bit, that would be impressive, as I'm not sure if any current players/processors do that. Regardless, even 10-bit puts this into a relatively small group. However, the absolute quality of it is dependent on the chroma upsampling, scaling, etc.
 

Kccitystar

Member
demo firmware...what's that?


Oh and in other news, Mortal Kombat 2 is back up on the PlayStation Store, but now they want me to buy it again after I had paid for the game a long time ago before it got pulled for some technical issues...
 

Schrade

Member
Kccitystar said:
demo firmware...what's that?
Aha. I checked around and it appears that the Demo firmware is for DEMO Units. i.e. those PS3s you see at the store in the demo cases.

Don't try to apply this firmware I guess.
 

Brandson

Member
I don't know if anyone else had problems streaming from Tversity to PS3 before, but pre-2.5, whenever I would pause a video on my PS3 coming from Tversity, if I waited too long (over 30 seconds or so) before resuming, it would give me an error message after the PS3 finished playing whatever was in its buffer (usually 2-5 seconds worth), then it would quit to XMB and I'd have to start playing it from the beginning again. It also used to be very slow in starting to play a file and also in fast-forwarding or rewinding faster than 1.5x. All of these issues have been resolved for me with the 2.5 firmware and the latest Tversity release candidate.

I'm really happy those annoyances have been fixed. I for one am loving the regular firmware updates.
 

kuYuri

Member
Brandson said:
I don't know if anyone else had problems streaming from Tversity to PS3 before, but pre-2.5, whenever I would pause a video on my PS3 coming from Tversity, if I waited too long (over 30 seconds or so) before resuming, it would give me an error message after the PS3 finished playing whatever was in its buffer (usually 2-5 seconds worth), then it would quit to XMB and I'd have to start playing it from the beginning again. It also used to be very slow in starting to play a file and also in fast-forwarding or rewarding faster than 1.5x. All of these issues have been resolved for me with the 2.5 firmware and the latest Tversity release candidate.

I'm really happy those annoyances have been fixed. I for one am loving the regular firmware updates.

Wow, nice.

I stopped streaming via TVersity because of how slow everything was. Maybe I'll pick it back up again.
 

Synless

Member
I can see that it says that flash 9 support was added, so why is it that everytime I go to a website to watch something it says I need to download Flash 9? It works for some places and doesn't at others.
 

Goldrusher

Member
shagg_187 said:
Aparently 2.51 is out:

You can download it if you want to be all fancy. I don't know why it has released for retail stores first but hey! shit happens!

Download: PS3 DEMO Firmware 2.51 (US) / PS3 DEMO Firmware 2.51 (EU)
Did you download it ?

I know many, many PAL-gamers in Europe are desperate for a new firmware update. 2.50 f*cked up the PS3s video playback abilities and pretty much every PAL video outputs as NTSC now...and if your tv doesn't support that, well, it's in black & white.

Maybe 2.51 fixes that...but it's a special demopod firmware ?
 

McLovin

Member
Umm ever since the update I haven't been able to check my trophies.. or even go into my profile.. I get this strange error. Is this common? And is their a fix?
 
Goldrusher said:
Did you download it ?

I know many, many PAL-gamers in Europe are desperate for a new firmware update. 2.50 f*cked up the PS3s video playback abilities and pretty much every PAL video outputs as NTSC now...and if your tv doesn't support that, well, it's in black & white.

Maybe 2.51 fixes that...but it's a special demopod firmware ?

I downloaded it but i haven't applied it. Don't want to ruin my PS3 if it ain't suppose to be for consumer and only for the kiosks. :/
They even posted the fact that the password to unlock the PS3 firmware 2.5 demo units is 6258. Don't know WTF that means. (Or it means don't install it :p)

EDIT:

Although the retail ps3update.pup is detected in the recovery menu via 2.51, it give the message:

The data is corrupted. (8002F2E4)

Lame.

Well there u go.
 

Tr4nce

Member
Wow, I am loving the improved Flash functionality! I can now finally watch the Watchmen animated comic on my HDTV via my PS3's internet browser. Awesome!
 
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