Can Crusher
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Zack Snyder won't fool me again. I'll keep my mind open, but my hype in check.
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First Batman vs Superman teaser (off-screen)
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Someone either hasn't read or doesn't like Dark Knight Returns.
Calcium
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It's something to get excited about for sure, but it's just the level of excitement that I find odd. I guess I'm just not the kind of person to flip out over things like this.
I think he sometimes overdoes it with the slow mo because he wants to recreate the comic book panels. The slow-mo is basically just there to really hammer it home that this is the same image as in the comic.Just watched Man of Steel again tonight, and I still think that movie's great. I think a good part of it is that Zack Snyder kind of chilled out and just let the movie speak for itself, y'know? I really disliked his approach to action in his previous movies. The constant use of slow-mo and really blatant posing and stuff makes it feel like he's shouting at the audience about how cool everything is, like he's sitting next to you going "Oh this bit's really cool! Not this bit, just wait, THERE! Wasn't that awesome?" Man of Steel just gets on with it. No slow-mo, just Superman fighting motherfuckers and looking awesome doing it. It's like Snyder 2.0
So, yeah, I've got some newfound faith in the guy. I still want to see some footage of Batman in action, because I'd be really disappointed if he looked anything like the fighters in Watchmen, but hopefully Snyder will come good.
Are you a comic book geek that has been standing in line for 22 hours to watch this crap?
They are.
There was no slow mo. Digital zoom was his thing.
Calcium
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Are you a comic book geek that has been standing in line for 22 hours to watch this crap?
They are.
Please tell me that is a joke.
I didn't mean Man of Steel, but 300 and Watchmen
this. snyder seems to need to have a... visual tick in his films. he just switched out the slow-down then ramp up speed changes for the crappy digital zoom effect in MoS.
You must not be very familiar with Comic-Con crowds.
Not necessarily. That all depends on the script and direction.
NekoFever
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In The Dark Knight Returns and bear in mind the movie might not be a close adaptation
Superman works for the government. The government is embarrassed by Batman maintaining order after a major disaster and orders Superman to remove him because it's embarrassing them and encouraging vigilantes.
I doubt it's going to be a direct adaptation and will instead borrow elements from it, since it doesn't really leave the door open for a lucrative JLA franchise. Most of the heroes are old and retired, for one thing.
Yeah...I can't wait for this. Saw Avengers seven times in the theaters....I'm waiting for the next Superhero flick to break that. Oh boy : )
Mighty Chin
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Bat-Armor doesn't feel earned yet to me. Miller did something iconic with the characters that had a long history together.
This feels like a "Cheap Pop"
This feels like a "Cheap Pop"
matrix-cat
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Slow-mo was very definitely his thing before Man of Steel. He was Captain Slow Motion; I still think 300 would only be like forty-five minutes long if they played it at full speed
I've always disliked slow-mo in action scenes, because I find full-speed martial arts and stuff far more exciting, so I really found nothing to like in Zack Snyder's previous stuff. I loved the action in Man of Steel, though. The crash zooms were a little much at times, but I think he did a better job of selling the speed and power of those characters than any other live-action thing I've seen.
I worry that Snyder might not have the chops for Batman's particular fighting style, but I think cutting out the slow-mo really forced him to focus on making his action scenes far more creative and exciting to watch, so I'm hopeful.
peanutbutterlatte
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I think it's like the equivalent of if Marvel tried to pull of Civil War in the MCU with their current roster. Not built up enough.
Slow-mo was very definitely his thing before Man of Steel. He was Captain Slow Motion; I still think 300 would only be like forty-five minutes long if they played it at full speed
I've always disliked slow-mo in action scenes, because I find full-speed martial arts and stuff far more exciting, so I really found nothing to like in Zack Snyder's previous stuff. I loved the action in Man of Steel, though. The crash zooms were a little much at times, but I think he did a better job of selling the speed and power of those characters than any other live-action thing I've seen.
I worry that Snyder might not have the chops for Batman's particular fighting style, but I think cutting out the slow-mo really forced him to focus on making his action scenes far more creative and exciting to watch, so I'm hopeful.
I think we'll get the closest thing to a real Batman than we've ever received.
Movies don't have that same time luxury.?
What was the build up in TDKR? It was a standalone Elseworlds story.
peanutbutterlatte
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Well like Chin said, the buildup of the Batman and Superman relationship and the differences in their ideologies.
Exactly.
It's like putting the Hulkbuster armour, and that fight, into Avengers 1. And even then, considering the establishing films, that would feel more earned.
But Snyder, a fan of The Dark Knight Returns, can't resist putting it on film the first opportunity he gets. Unless Superman is under mind control, the fight can't make sense this early in them meeting. If Superman just fights every human who challenges him, he's not Superman.
ThoseDeafMutes
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It's the context of them working together for a long time in comics. If this is Superman's first interaction with batman it's not really similar to TDKR at all, which was a fight where Superman was trying to give Bruce every chance to surrender and give up he could since they were old friends.
peanutbutterlatte
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& a fight where Batman only knew how to take down Superman because he'd obviously got very intimate knowledge on him over the years.
I don't think it's all that far-fetched or out of place to have Batman in the armor. He's obviously done what homework was possible on Superman.
The real issue is we don't even know if that's an actual scene in the movie. If it is, for all we know, he's wearing it only as a precaution in case Superman becomes hostile. Superman lighting up his eyes could be him puffing his chest so to speak.
Ok, that last part is kind of far-fetched but I think you guys know what I mean.
We have no idea what the context is, so it's a bit early for 'it doesn't make sense.'
In addition, everyone thinks Batman and Superman are going to fight because of... what... the vs? For all we know that's merely their differing attitudes to fighting crime (hope vs fear) at play, and the actual story is them coming into conflict regarding dealing with a middle villain who takes the worst of Superman and Batman and puts them into a ball.
I mean Luthor is basically a guy who thinks he's above humanity (how he sees Superman) and a genius inventor/entrepeneuer (Batman) merged into one person. With Wonder Woman as the wild card because she's so far beyond Luthor's comprehension that he steers clear of her in the comics 99% of the time.
It's probably not their first interaction then. They'll make it work. I don't see the point of making every negative assumption about this movie two years out. How do you people have the energy?
I just find it very odd that grown adults can't think of ways that this could work. I prefer that conversation. THIS conversation is stupid. You're trying so hard to be sour on this movie while knowing nothing at all about it.
Y'all are making a lot of assumptions based on a shot of them looking at each other. We have no idea how this fight is going to play out.
Exactly. Essentially after decades of knowing Superman, Batman's best plan is to distract him for 5 minutes when he's weakened, then have him hit with kryptonite.
Compare that to their first meeting in Lex Luthor: Man of Steel. That's how it would pan out. Or even like the Batman/Superman World's Finest animated movie.
Again, unless Superman is mind controlled, this fight can't happen organically this early in their relationship. They'd probably be on speaking terms for most of the film, so this happens in what, the first hour?
Do we know how long after MoS this movie is set? Unless this encounter happens the next night (after MoS), there's plenty of ways to explain them having this fight early in the film.
Is this a serious post?
After Zod and the other aliens invaded I think it kickstarted Earth's tech race for supersuits, but that's just me contemplating
ThoseDeafMutes
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I wasn't being negative, I was explaining what was meant by the "buildup" to the TDKR fight, because someone else asked! Since this is pre-Justice league I think it's particularly unlikely that there is going to be any history between the characters. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but the references to Dark Knight Returns are probably just homages, not anything resembling an actual adaptation of that showdown or the context behind it.
RastaMentality
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Do y'all think Wonder Woman will have a part in breaking up this fight?
Maybe but I guess that depends when the fight happens. If that's the basis for the whole movie and the climatic battle then yes, definitely. If it happens earlier on I doubt it. Whatever happens at the end is where I think Wonder Woman gets involved. Diana will likely be in other parts of the movie but decked out in armor I imagine happens at the end.
I hope her action scenes steal the show so I can serve some crow to my buddies.
Do you think it'll be the first time they've heard of each other? You don't think it could've happened through Clark and Bruce? They do have public personas...one is a billionaire who's very much in the public eye and the other is a reporter. One is the greatest detective ever...the other has superpowers and could figure out who Bruce is through deduction or w/e.
It's not impossible to explain why this encounter happens. I don't think it would take Batman long to figure out that hey, this alien shows up and who's this new reporter through his detective skills.
Hot Coldman
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That's a pretty cool Batsuit.
Check out the comics but I would also watch the animated adapted versions too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Dark_Knight_Returns_(film)
SamuelSupreme
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My Body is so ready. Im fully expecting we wont see the white lenses until after he breaks out the hulkbuster suit.....This is going to so Epic...God It feels so good to be a Blerd
It's fine as a standalone. I wouldn't bother with the sequel, which is pretty much Justice League Returns, because you'd need a bit more knowledge of the characters to get anything resembling enjoyment out of it.
Thanks, I'll grab it and give it a read.
I'll probably check out the animated adaptation as well.
Schweinehund
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It's taking cues from DKR, its not an adaption of it.
Right, but there's almost certainly a fight going down.
Snyder wouldn't evoke that imagery just to stop at a staring contest. It's not an adaption, but expect the fight to be adapted.
BadAss2961
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Clark and Bruce meeting for the first time, something funny is bound to happen in that conversation. The inevitable mutual attraction to Diana should be fun. Forget it if Bruce starts meeting the women in Clark's life.
I don't even think Goyer could suck all the amusement out of these scenes.
Weaker but stronger than Zod as he's been absorbing the Sun's energy for years instead of a few days. If he's strong enough to grind Zod's face into the side of a building he's strong enough to fly Zod elsewhere with a flying tackle. There's one scene where we get this third-person perspective of him punching Zod, flying towards Zod, and punching him again. He had opportunities.
Yes, to save those lives and that's all people need to believe now. "These guys are destroying the planet, Superman should just kill them and save lives". People shouldn't think that about Superman, that because he, or they, feel justified in him killing Zod because it was saving lives that it's "OK". Supes had enough strength to forcibly snap Zod's neck in the other direction with enough force that it breaks, he didn't have enough strength to turn Zod's head away from the people? Regardless, we now have a Superman that is willing to kill if the threat is big enough and that's an easy-out and against the character.
Oh, but don't worry, Batman will guide him and teach that killing is wrong. Ugh.
Goyer would probably do something awkward like this:
*Camera is at ground level as we see the footsteps of two men enter the bathroom.*
*Camera pans up and we see Clark Kent and Bruce Wayne taking peeing at nearby urinals.
*They look up at each other's faces as a soft tenderness rolls over their eyes.*
Clark: You know what they say, it's all downhill after the first piss.
This has almost always been the case. It's an absolute last resort but he will do it if need be. Just him though. Anyone else does it and he banishes you from the Justice League. Wonder Woman found that out the hard way.
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