outunderthestars
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rosjos44 said:
I think you are grossly underestimating the need of the second analog. MPH controlled terribly if you ask me.
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I think you are grossly underestimating the need of the second analog. MPH controlled terribly if you ask me.
jamesinclair
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Almost as powerful as PS3?
Did Sony learn nothing from $599 or the reaction to the first PSP?
Games > Price > Graphics
Did Sony learn nothing from $599 or the reaction to the first PSP?
Games > Price > Graphics
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
jamesinclair said:
Greater price means more powerful hardware means better games for longer... I don't care if Sony loses money on the thing, I just want better kit. There's no reason you can't make any of these supposed "better" games on more powerful hardware.
You want budget gaming buy Nintendo.
Vinterbird
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recklessmind said:
In long run, doing a PS3 of handhelds will not benefit Sony. If they launch in fall of 2011 with a extremely expensive handheld, the 3DS is gonna run it over, and we will have a PSP situation all over again, with no support and no interest from the consumer.
So going budget hardware might not be the stupidest thing ever suggested.
recklessmind said:
More powerful hardware means no battery life which means no playtime. The PSP was already abysmal on battery life compared to the competition.
Nintendo has already confirmed the DS brand battery life is taking a hit going to the 3DS. I can just imagine the 15 minute battery life of the PSP2.
Considering the 3DS is shaping upto more or less be a Portable Wii with some more enhanced graphical features I dont think you can call it budget gaming.
recklessmind said:
I hate this retarded argument. What it I want sony to continue releasing systems and games? what if i want them to do well?
you were probably cheering on the PS3 too when that was released.
"599 dollars? they're practically giving it away. it'll sell billions!!!11"
outunderthestars
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Sipowicz said:
the PSP didn't do well? It was a profitable product for them, and a great number of awesome games were released for it.
Ploid 3.0
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Vinterbird said:
If they're in for profits all they gotta do is make sure this thing isn't easily hacked. I'm sure thats high priority. They should have learned a lot from psp. They don't have to sell DS numbers to get comfortable money, and majority of the US won't be buying PSP's to download games (going by software selling crazy good in japan vs US). Lock out homebrew and make sure it's impossible to run on psp2. Also if they make PSN more important for PSP2 as it is for PS3 that would make people think twice if a exploit is found. DLC, PSN games that's not hackable to be played for free, etc.
More powerful hardware, might limit development budgets, battery life, and risk taking in the area. Naturally I don't care if they lose money on the thing, and more powerful hardware can lead the way to more types of games, but it may handicap it early on if it is really expensive. It may overcome this handicap like PSP did, and have it's best lineups in 2009 and 2010, or it may sink, who knows. It also may become a port machine of PS3/360 games, which personally I have no interest.recklessmind said:
More powerful hardware is a good thing, but there are other factors in consideration. And well, 3DS isn't exactly "budget" gaming as it stands.
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Sipowicz said:
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
I not a fucking shareholder so I really don't care about Sony's bottom line. They released the PS3 and omg how are they still in business!?
They'll never beat the name recognition on big N, or the profit margins on Nintendo's low-ball hardware so I really don't mind that they put more power into the system. They don't have to be first place, and probably wont ever be, even if they went with cheaper components. It didn't put them out of business w/ PS3 or PSP and there's no reason to believe a decently powerful handheld is going to sink them in the future.
Lack of third party support is concern if the thing doesn't sell... but lack of third party didn't kill the Gamecube.
And for the record I've enjoyed the PS3 very much... and I'm glad they did what they did. I've been able to play big budget games like Uncharted and Killzone.
Vinterbird
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Ploid 3.0 said:
The mainstream consumer doesn't know/care about PSN.
And no matter if they make it hackable or not, PSP is facing an extreme uphill battle due to the mainstream image of what handheld gaming is today (iOS and DS), and Nintendo can go straight into massive success thanks to that, but Sony is more or less starting from scratch in terms of brand power and market wise (Which could prove to be a good thing if they do it right).
Sony's biggest problem is to convince publishers to do games for a system that is not called 3DS this time around.
InfiniteNine
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I know me and all my friends have one.recklessmind said:
Vinterbird
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recklessmind said:
But they don't care about their PSP since it is not selling software (and I highly doubt that everyone with a PSP has hacked it).
And brand wise, having sold a lot doesn't mean it is well liked, or well known in the mainstream area. I don't think normal, non hardcore people, really care about the PSP, or know it is a thing, but they sure as hell know that the DS exists. Which is what is the blessing and curse for Sony, they're starting from zero more or less.
outunderthestars
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InfiniteNine said:
and 60 million others as well.
Father_Brain
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recklessmind said:
But almost none of them are buying software for it, unless they live in Japan.
It bears repeating again and again: LTD hardware sales are obviously important, but those figures alone don't paint a complete picture of how successful a system is or how well-positioned it is for Sony to launch a successor.
Can't wait. I don't give a fuck if it costs $300 (does anyone actually think the 3DS will be less than $250?) It sounds like it has awesome hardware and I can't wait to see what devs can do with it. I have a feeling people are going to be blown away when this is revealed.
And yeah, the comments about the PSP not being a success are fucking retarded. Just because it didn't sell as many units as the DS doesn't mean it's not a success. It's practically the only handheld EVER to take a nice chunk out of Nintendo's market share.
And yeah, the comments about the PSP not being a success are fucking retarded. Just because it didn't sell as many units as the DS doesn't mean it's not a success. It's practically the only handheld EVER to take a nice chunk out of Nintendo's market share.
Father_Brain
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Piggus said:
Strawman. PSP is hardly an outright failure, but a system on which games like MGS
W and GoW:GoS sell as poorly as they have can't be considered an unambiguous success either.outunderthestars
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Father_Brain said:
44 milion psp games were sold in fiscal 2010.
recklessmind said:
a question i ask myself every day.
they can release a constant stream of ps3-esque systems losing them billions of dollars at a time, selling like shit and driving the playstation brand into the ground (along with any suppport). i can think of at least two other people on here who'd support that strategy
or
they can release something innovative, successful and appropriately priced. something that is well supported and continues to get excellent support well into its life.
it's not as if they're ever going to lose the hardcore sony demographic (those for whom kevin butler is funny and an effective marketing tool). they'll just be successfull as well, sucess that'll benfefit me and many others
pharmboy044
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I don't care what the price is as long as PSN is integrated with it and the PS3 online infrastructure (friends, messaging, trophies) is accessible through the device, I'm pretty sure I will be getting a PSP2.
Sapiens
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Remember when in 2004, John Riccardi(sp), John Davidson and many others in the videogame industry were predicting doom for the DS over the impending PSP onslaught?
And we all know how that turned out..
I'm not suggesting the reverse will be true in 2011, but Sony hasn't even played their hand yet. And we don't even know what the 3DS will cost (250? 299?). Knowing nintendo, they'll break even/profit on every HW sold - and knowing sony, they'll take a small bath on each HW in favour of third party SW fees.
It could be likely that both systems release at a very similar price.
Maybe Sony can surprise us.
Wait and see, I say, before coming to conclusions about PSP2 getting destroyed by the 3DS(which will do well regardless.
For the 3DS, I think it's up in the air between "Can't fucking find this thing"-well, and something less. But well!
And we all know how that turned out..
I'm not suggesting the reverse will be true in 2011, but Sony hasn't even played their hand yet. And we don't even know what the 3DS will cost (250? 299?). Knowing nintendo, they'll break even/profit on every HW sold - and knowing sony, they'll take a small bath on each HW in favour of third party SW fees.
It could be likely that both systems release at a very similar price.
Maybe Sony can surprise us.
Wait and see, I say, before coming to conclusions about PSP2 getting destroyed by the 3DS(which will do well regardless.
For the 3DS, I think it's up in the air between "Can't fucking find this thing"-well, and something less. But well!
Vinterbird said:
yeah,Playstation brand popularity/name power is at it's lowest point ever now and Sony should realize that Playstation name got damaged in the last 6 years , they can't just sell on the name they need good price and good new software and new marketing strategy.
and on the same note I think calling this system PSP2 will be a complete suicide for it , it will have a better chance for selling if it's called something like Gem or Playstation Walkboy or anything else other than PSP2.
well Sony is good at this , they managed to keep very strong and healthy 3rd party support on the PS3 and they got decent support from western devs like EA and Ubi for the completely Dead PSP for long time too.
pharmboy044 said:
well I for one care too much about the price , and I think $250 or $300 is completely ridiculous for a gaming handheld , even if it has complete PSN/XBL features or a 3D screen.
TheKaeptain
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...MGS4 has the best controls.Boney said:
test_account
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I have been thinking about something as this as well. If Sony can price the PSP2 on the same level (or even better, cheaper) as the 3DS, and if the PSP2 has some features that people in general find to be really cool, i think that the PSP2 can give the 3DS some good competition. It shall be interesting to see what happends thoughSapiens said:
Father_Brain
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outunderthestars said:
So? In Nintendo's 2010 fiscal year, 151 million units of DS software were sold. And 44.4 million is fairly close to PS2 software sales, which reached 35.7 million for that year.
That figure also doesn't say what percentage of that PSP software was sold in which region, so it does nothing to disprove my point. I'd be surprised if the percentage of Japanese software was any less than 60%.
rollingstart
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Sapiens said:
Same happened for the PS3 too. Sony was riding high with the PS2, the best console ever, and surely the PS3 will be a success. 360? more like Dreamcast 2. Wii? it's just two gamecubes ducked together with a gimmick. It's funny to see people predict the future while completely ignoring the past.
Having said that, the 3DS isn't the only competition the PSP2 has. Apple's stuff, phones that are playing quality games, etc. The marketplace has changed a lot in the past half-decade. Maybe Sony does accurately predict where things will be heading and they put out a device that reflects that. Or they do and don't have the support to sustain it (like the Tapwave Zodiac). It isn't a fact that the PSP2 is coming out floundering; it's just a possibility. And to repeat a joke that's probably been done to death: the Panasonic Jungle will be the real winner of this next handheld generation.
H_Prestige
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It didn't take long for Nintendo cult members to start their preaching. 60 million sold and apparently no one knows about the psp brand :lol
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Hmmm... I kinda don't like the position of the analog sticks. I wish it was positioned like the DualShock controller (basically, the nubs are on the face and arrow button and vice versa).
test_account
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A Ridge Racer game at a system launch has become some sort of tradition though heheSapiens said:
Father_Brain said:
Surprise. You are wrong
Media Create says 9 million psp games were sold in Japan in calendar 2009 (that's Q4 FY2009 and Q1-3 FY2010). Including games bundles with the hardware.
Shipped units are probably a bit higher than 9M but still that's far from 60% of 44M
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Sipowicz said:
First of all, in my entire history on gaf I've never called anyone out for any kind of system loyalty or petty system wars bullshit that pollutes almost every other gaming forum in existence. I avoid it. I stay out of NPD threads and all the threads like them...
However... sometimes a spade is a spade.
I don't even own a PSP anymore. I've bought a couple at different times, but the lack of dual analog really kills the enjoyment for me. And other things about it bother me.
I'm in this thread because they seem to have addressed my primary complaints and I'm excited for a (powerful) new hand held. Even quite looking forward to the 3DS omg!
But whatever... carry on with your doom and gloom prognosticating. I'll step back... while taking solace in the fact that Sony is going to drop a powerful piece of kit whether you think it's a good idea or not.
BoilersFan23
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Sony is not using UMD, but there's still no guarantee it will be download only.Nintendo-4Life said:
H_Prestige
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Nintendo-4Life said:
You should read up on the device properly before you attempt to troll people.
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