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[Takao]

It didn't take long for Nintendo cult members to start their preaching. 60 million sold and apparently no one knows about the psp brand :lol

Outside of Japan, where the platform has a good shot at being the highest selling platform of the year, I wouldn't say that's incorrect. The PSP has less retail space than the PS2 in most stores where I live (Canada). It's just not in the public's minds, or they wouldn't be buying overpriced Nintendo platforms that defeat the purpose of a handheld /vent.

I'm also far from blinded by the light of Nintendo.

 

[ASIS]

No one is ignoring that fact because it'll use physical media. Kaz Hirai said it in a recent interview.

Thank you so much! Phew!

But why is the OP stating otherwise? Hang on i'll read the OP again.

EDIT: WTF does "expandable memory based games" mean?

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

I do not see the problem. We been playing 3D based games since PS1 days and N64 only had one analog stick and it worked well. Its all about the design of the game and if they allow different types of control.

Its not a "major" issue like most people make it to be. Metriod Prime Hunters for DS was perfect imo.

Jesus CHRIST, are you guys seriously arguing against a second analog stick?
If a shooter is going to be competitive online, it NEEDS a second analog stick. The buttons are clunky, and FUCK auto aim in an online fps. Shit sucks.

 

[K.Jack]

I not a fucking shareholder so I really don't care about Sony's bottom line.

This is so stupid. Anyone who values a specific company's products should hope that said company puts itself in successful financial positions.

 

[Byakuya769]

I love the fact that pretty much everybody is ignoring the fact that this is going to be yet another download only console? That is, bar none, the stupidest move Sony has ever took. Looks great otherwise though.

LOL, I know. It's as if they read information that said it wasn't going to be DD only...

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

In long run, doing a PS3 of handhelds will not benefit Sony. If they launch in fall of 2011 with a extremely expensive handheld, the 3DS is gonna run it over, and we will have a PSP situation all over again, with no support and no interest from the consumer.

So going budget hardware might not be the stupidest thing ever suggested.

I honestly think if they make a killer shooter-box with dual analog sticks and a massive online presence, they can do well.
We are yet to have a portable gaming system that you can play COD-quality shooters on.
IMO the people that are into that kind of game are the people that will pay for a bad ass piece of hardware that can deliver that experience.

 

[H_Prestige]

This is so stupid. Anyone who values a specific company's products should hope that said company puts itself in successful financial positions.

Yeah, let's all worry about some poor, massive, global corporation :lol

 

[ASIS]

LOL, I know. It's as if they read information that said it wasn't going to be DD only...

I didn't read that and I was already informed about this earlier. If only you just read a few more posts..

 

[Takao]

EDIT: WTF does "expandable memory based games" mean?

It's IGN, but most likely flash memory cards.

 

[UntoldDreams]

Good lord... The forum hate brigade "attack the PSP" engine is running full steam.

Its obvious that PSP is going to come out. Its also obvious there WAS a profitable market here for Sony & publishers or they would have given up already. The current PSP is end of life so even I have stopped buying software now.

** I'm sure in a perfect Nintendo-Fan world Sony would roll Kuturagi out in a wheelchair bloody and beaten with a sign saying "We are sorry Nintendo handhelds should be left alone to rule earth. We love DS.".

The PSP2 is going to come out despite doom & gloom naysaying. Deal with it.

If Sony is smart they will straight up acknowledge they won't be #1 and simply go for a smaller dedicated market of consumers. Perhaps closer to how Apple Macintosh's survived for years against the PC. We will see.

 

[Boney]

Agh.. this thread... what the hell...

 

[H_Prestige]

Good lord... The forum hate brigade "attack the PSP" engine is running full steam.

Its obvious that PSP is going to come out. Its also obvious there WAS a profitable market here for Sony & publishers or they would have given up already. The current PSP is end of life so even I have stopped buying software now.

** I'm sure in a perfect Nintendo-Fan world Sony would roll Kuturagi out in a wheelchair bloody and beaten with a sign saying "We are sorry Nintendo handhelds should be left alone to rule earth. We love DS.".

The PSP2 is going to come out despite doom & gloom naysaying. Deal with it.

If Sony is smart they will straight up acknowledge they won't be #1 and simply go for a smaller dedicated market of consumers. Perhaps closer to how Apple Macintosh's survived for years against the PC. We will see.

+1

 

[Infinite Justice]

What the hell....

 

[pharmboy044]

Good lord... The forum hate brigade "attack the PSP" engine is running full steam.

Its obvious that PSP is going to come out. Its also obvious there WAS a profitable market here for Sony & publishers or they would have given up already. The current PSP is end of life so even I have stopped buying software now.

** I'm sure in a perfect Nintendo-Fan world Sony would roll Kuturagi out in a wheelchair bloody and beaten with a sign saying "We are sorry Nintendo handhelds should be left alone to rule earth. We love DS.".

The PSP2 is going to come out despite doom & gloom naysaying. Deal with it.

If Sony is smart they will straight up acknowledge they won't be #1 and simply go for a smaller dedicated market of consumers. Perhaps closer to how Apple Macintosh's survived for years against the PC. We will see.

Preach brother, preach.
Sony knows they're not going to overtake the handheld market. They just want a piece of the pie.

 

[Evolved1]

This is so stupid. Anyone who values a specific company's products should hope that said company puts itself in successful financial positions.

I don't concern myself with it. I'm not wishing failure on them, quite the opposite, but at the end of the day I really don't care. It doesn't affect me in any perceivable way. I highly doubt a company as big as any of these console developers is suddenly going to make a decision that closes the doors. They pay people a lot of money to make these decisions and I don't monday morning quarterback it.

I would like a powerful handheld. I like expensive, modern electronics... Sony/Nintendo announce systems and I'm happy about it.

Maybe MS with make a handheld... as long as the thing is going to have cool modern games, then I'm 100% behind it and don't spend my afternoons contemplating the possible financial fallout/gain of their decision.

I know some of you guys really like to think about that stuff... but it's not "stupid" not to give a shit.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

I have a smart idea for sony.

Release this as a home console/portable console.
Since they're apparently not skimping on the graphics, include an hdmi port and dualshock support.
Make it more online-centric than the ps3, support ps3 accessories and make awesome games for it.

They definitely need to find a way to make it appealing in a land of 1 minute casual games and nintendo charm.

?? what do you guys think?

 

[ASIS]

Good lord... The forum hate brigade "attack the PSP" engine is running full steam.

Its obvious that PSP is going to come out. Its also obvious there WAS a profitable market here for Sony & publishers or they would have given up already. The current PSP is end of life so even I have stopped buying software now.

** I'm sure in a perfect Nintendo-Fan world Sony would roll Kuturagi out in a wheelchair bloody and beaten with a sign saying "We are sorry Nintendo handhelds should be left alone to rule earth. We love DS.".

The PSP2 is going to come out despite doom & gloom naysaying. Deal with it.

If Sony is smart they will straight up acknowledge they won't be #1 and simply go for a smaller dedicated market of consumers. Perhaps closer to how Apple Macintosh's survived for years against the PC. We will see.

60 million PSPs means Sony did something right. IMO they absolutely have a shot at gaining a market lead if they just learn from their mistakes.

IMO the back trackpad sounds like a sick idea. Can't wait to see more.

 

[Chris1964]

So? In Nintendo's 2010 fiscal year, 151 million units of DS software were sold. And 44.4 million is fairly close to PS2 software sales, which reached 35.7 million for that year.

That figure also doesn't say what percentage of that PSP software was sold in which region, so it does nothing to disprove my point. I'd be surprised if the percentage of Japanese software was any less than 60%.

(Japan / world) software ratio 2009 =25-30%. 2010 will be at 30-35%

 

[Yoschi]

I like my 2 psp's and i would gladly buy a psp 2. Please don't be too expensive though! caus i also want to buy a 3ds. I love both platforms with their extras and their shortcomings.
Competition in the handheld space is a good thing, don't hate.

 

[H_Prestige]

I have a smart idea for sony.

Release this as a home console/portable console.
Since they're apparently not skimping on the graphics, include an hdmi port and dualshock support.
Make it more online-centric than the ps3, support ps3 accessories and make awesome games for it.

They definitely need to find a way to make it appealing in a land of 1 minute casual games and nintendo charm.

?? what do you guys think?

I think it is a given. PSP Go already does this actually, but through component cables.

What I would really want though (especially if the PSP2 is CELL based) is for direct compatibility of PSP2 games on PS3. I don't know if Sony is bold enough yet to take that kind of move but it seems smart to me.

 

[Infinite Justice]

I think it is a given. PSP Go already does this actually, but through component cables.

plus the PS3 controller is supported as well.

 

[UntoldDreams]

I think the TWIN STICKS on the PSP2 means they have an automatic market of hardcore 3D shooter fans. That's looks like a LOCK from what I gather since that's something the 3DS won't have.

 

[Byakuya769]

I have a smart idea for sony.

Release this as a home console/portable console.
Since they're apparently not skimping on the graphics, include an hdmi port and dualshock support.
Make it more online-centric than the ps3, support ps3 accessories and make awesome games for it.

They definitely need to find a way to make it appealing in a land of 1 minute casual games and nintendo charm.

?? what do you guys think?

Has cannibalization written all over it.

 

[antonz]

I think the TWIN STICKS on the PSP2 means they have an automatic market of hardcore 3D shooter fans. That's looks like a LOCK from what I gather since that's something the 3DS won't have.

Hard to say. CoD and such made its way on the DS without any Analog sticks and was said to be fairly well done.

Dual analog will do one thing though. Make sure PSP2 gets lots of ports for better or worse. The number one thing Sony needs to do though is solve the userbase problem. Software sales alone confirm most PSP owners do not buy Games outside of Japan. That needs to be addressed as piracy and just multimedia functions were primary movers of the system

 

[Sipowicz]

First of all, in my entire history on gaf I've never called anyone out for any kind of system loyalty or petty system wars bullshit that pollutes almost every other gaming forum in existence. I avoid it. I stay out of NPD threads and all the threads like them...

and yet, you did so in this very thread. i think power should be an issue, but i dont think it should come at the expense of everything. the games might look absolutely spectacular but that's meaningless it costs 700 bucks, has a battery life of 12 minutes and sells like shit. besides, it's pretty much guaranteed to be powerful anyway as it's coming out a while after the 3DS/iphone 4.


i'm sorry if i came across as a little harsh, but i do think i'm in a good position to discuss the shortcomings of the PSP and what i'd like to see in its successor. It's the only handheld i own and i am a big fan of it

but i do not think that it is perfect and sony can learn nothing from their competititors, as is the case with certain other individuals in this thread. fortunately, it looks like the people at sony agree with me

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I think the TWIN STICKS on the PSP2 means they have an automatic market of hardcore 3D shooter fans. That's looks like a LOCK from what I gather since that's something the 3DS won't have.

That's definitely an advantage that it has over 3DS (And it's stupid oversight from Nintendo), but you have to wonder how many FPSs will made for the system considering how horrible western third-party support for handhelds is and considering how disinterested Sony's main developers seem in handhelds.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

plus the PS3 controller is supported as well.

Wait, really? Are you talking about remotejoy (or whatever its called)?
Or is it officially supported by Sony?

I've hooked my psp up to the tv, and it isnt a pretty sight. I mean fully support various resolutions and everything.

I guess it's the natural evolution of what they have now, so maybe this point is moot.

Cannibalization? I don't think so.. I think this just broadens the appeal, and justifies a high price tag.. 300-400 for a home console probably sits easier with people than dishing out the same amount for a handheld.. "a toy" :/

 

[H_Prestige]

Wait, really? Are you talking about remotejoy (or whatever its called)?
Or is it officially supported by Sony?

I've hooked my psp up to the tv, and it isnt a pretty sight. I mean fully support various resolutions and everything.

I guess it's the natural evolution of what they have now, so maybe this point is moot.

Cannibalization? I don't think so.. I think this just broadens the appeal, and justifies a high price tag.. 300-400 for a home console probably sits easier with people than dishing out the same amount for a handheld.. "a toy" :/

The Go has bluetooth so you can use dualshock 3 with it wirelessly. Official feature.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

The Go has bluetooth so you can use dualshock 3 with it wirelessly. Official feature.

Wow, that's awesome. I didn't know that.

 

[M3d10n]

If Sony is smart they will straight up acknowledge they won't be #1 and simply go for a smaller dedicated market of consumers. Perhaps closer to how Apple Macintosh's survived for years against the PC. We will see.

Give the current market scenario, this seems to be the only viable approach: make the PSP2 premium enough so it can offer experiences the other handhelds cannot.

However, this time it's a lot harder to do that than it was in 2004, due to technical reasons. I'd love to be surprised, although.

 

[Infinite Justice]

Wait, really? Are you talking about remotejoy (or whatever its called)?
Or is it officially supported by Sony?

I've hooked my psp up to the tv, and it isnt a pretty sight. I mean fully support various resolutions and everything.

I guess it's the natural evolution of what they have now, so maybe this point is moot.

Cannibalization? I don't think so.. I think this just broadens the appeal, and justifies a high price tag.. 300-400 for a home console probably sits easier with people than dishing out the same amount for a handheld.. "a toy" :/

For the PSP Go only.

it has bluetooth so you can link up your controller to it.

 

[UntoldDreams]

Hard to say. CoD and such made its way on the DS without any Analog sticks and was said to be fairly well done.

Dual analog will do one thing though. Make sure PSP2 gets lots of ports for better or worse. The number one thing Sony needs to do though is solve the userbase problem. Software sales alone confirm most PSP owners do not buy Games outside of Japan. That needs to be addressed as piracy and just multimedia functions were primary movers of the system

"PSP Owners"?

There is no sub-race of humanoids who are called "PSP-owners". There are people who bought a psp game system and many of them also have a DS. The issue is can Sony create compelling content that people want... not that "Genetically humanoid PSP people don't buy games".

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

I'm with that other guy.
I have no brand loyalty.
I buy systems that offer experiences that my other systems cannot. Whether that's games or hardware.

I can't wait for the psp2 because I want a sexy modern handheld gaming system.
Same with the 3ds.

 

[Infinite Justice]

What Sony need to do also is to ensure they are making some profit on the hardware from the get go.

The competitors they are going against do this as their MO .

 

[Boogiepop]

Ugh. Go-style form factor with the flip-up. From what little I've tried of holding the Go that just feels like crap and a pain to hold. Not sure if I'm interested in this yet, but that certainly doesn't help.

 

[Thunderbear]

I love where they are going with the PSP2. The back touchscreen is a smart idea and I think will feel natural pretty quickly. I hope the analogue sticks are quality this time around... the PSP nub was aweful.

Also love the front/back cameras. I hope they're good quality.

 

[Evolved1]

Ugh. Go-style form factor with the flip-up. From what little I've tried of holding the Go that just feels like crap and a pain to hold. Not sure if I'm interested in this yet, but that certainly doesn't help.

One thing I didn't like about PSP was that it was uncomfortable for me to hold... I haven't tried the Go yet, but I wondered if the flip-up screen would let me rest most of the system's weight across my index & middle fingers. I imagine it'd be more comfortable but honestly I'm still a little worried about it. System can be cool as shit, but if it isn't comfortable to hold...

The only handhelds that I ever found comfortable were the original gameboy and iirc I think I liked the gamegear as well. maybe because I had smaller hands back then, idk. :lol

 

[antonz]

One thing that never got updated in the OP was the fact it was later confirmed by the same people who leaked the image that the GO Style with flip up screen etc was no longer being used.

Its transitioned back to a more PSP-1000 style due to heat issues etc

 

[Ploid 3.0]

The mainstream consumer doesn't know/care about PSN.

The mainstream consumer won't be hacking their PSP2 if one is found. I'm thinking PSP2 will be as tight as the PS3 but without the possibility of that key leak situation. The only reason I mention having PSN so vital for PSP is to make the choice of having a hacked PSP2 less desirable for the group that would probably hack their handheld.

And no matter if they make it hackable or not, PSP is facing an extreme uphill battle due to the mainstream image of what handheld gaming is today (iOS and DS), and Nintendo can go straight into massive success thanks to that, but Sony is more or less starting from scratch in terms of brand power and market wise (Which could prove to be a good thing if they do it right).

Sony's biggest problem is to convince publishers to do games for a system that is not called 3DS this time around.

What? haha if it's a system they will make games for it. "Sorry sony we are too busy making games for 3DS"

 

[Father_Brain]

(Japan / world) software ratio 2009 =25-30%. 2010 will be at 30-35%

Huh, well, I stand corrected. What's the NA percentage?

 

[rosjos44]

I wonder how they will market the device? It looks like they are going after Apple more so than Nintendo. Plus I think 3D will have a more mass market appeal than what the PSP2 has to offer (at this point it just looks like an upgraded PSP).

What? haha if it's a system they will make games for it. "Sorry sony we are too busy making games for 3DS"

Then why hasnt Square enix given as much love to the PSP as they do with DS? Why make games for a console that will take more money out of you if you will not get a good return? This is what the PSP right now is going through and I'm sure developers will not take such a huge risk this time around.

 

[Boney]

SE has given more love to the PSP. Or just as much.

Regardless, it isn't that they won't make any games for it. But they need to make it so that publishers allocate 3DS resources towards PSP2. Or from something else, who knows.

 

[Taiser]

I honestly think if they make a killer shooter-box with dual analog sticks and a massive online presence, they can do well.
We are yet to have a portable gaming system that you can play COD-quality shooters on.

time for MS to enter the handheld market.

 

[Booshka]

time for MS to enter the handheld market.

Windows Phone

 

[H_Prestige]

One thing that never got updated in the OP was the fact it was later confirmed by the same people who leaked the image that the GO Style with flip up screen etc was no longer being used.

Its transitioned back to a more PSP-1000 style due to heat issues etc

These are all just prototype dev kits. Final form factor is still an open question.

 

[Blablurn]

i hope sony gets some nice 3rd party support for this one. can't wait.

 

[outunderthestars]

Ugh. Go-style form factor with the flip-up. From what little I've tried of holding the Go that just feels like crap and a pain to hold. Not sure if I'm interested in this yet, but that certainly doesn't help.

Same here. I ordered one from amazon, but couldn't stand the way it felt in the hands. I loved the screen, hated the form factor. Loved the form factor of the psp-3000 but hated the screen. Damnit.

 

[IMACOMPUTA]

Windows Phone

+ analog nubs plz

 

[Taiser]

Windows Phone

not a phone... a dedicated gaming handheld named Xboy.

 

[Slayer-33]

not a phone... a dedicated gaming handheld named Xboy.

boXy by Microsoft.

There you go MS, I'm a fucking genius, cut me into it!