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Slayer-33 said:
I think X-Bro is better
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friskykillface
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FoneBone said:
Jan 18 or 20, right along side Nintendo's conference thing
Hopefully the end of January, i want to actually see and hear more of the PSP2
UntoldDreams said:
Yep, I have to agree with this. It really hasn't been done properly yet, I don't understand the argument against trying.
On PSP we got two great GTA titles in Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories. Would anyone here really be upset if PSP2 had San Andreas Stories with HD graphics? Or a similar approach in the Red Dead Redemption universe? If such a person exists, I don't want to meet them.
The Take Out Bandit
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theBishop said:
It's funny. PSP got panned for being a PS2 dumping ground, and yet magically adding a second analogue stick will make that same indictment okay with a lot of console gamers? :|
The reason I was against a second analogue stick is it opens handhelds to all the shovelware and terrible Western games that have ruined the TV consoles.
I'm sure there will still be games I enjoy on PSP2, but I can see this enabling a market shift to the moron demographic in gaming; and then the software support is all down hill from there as it becomes naught but awful FPS games and hideous white fratboys shooting stuff games.
STAY ON YOUR XBOX360 AND PS3's! Don't crap up my Utopia. >:|
UntoldDreams
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The Take Out Bandit said:
The moronic demographic is bread and butter at generating money.
Could you honestly say that the PS2 NOT having twinsticks some 10 years ago would have fostered a healthy environment for the types of games you liked? Not really it probably would have severely hurt the PS2 console ecosystem.
So by having "concerns & fears" that a twinstick PSP would pigeonhole it as a shooter box is pretty much misplaced worrying on your part. Popularity will drive the ecosystem not "forcing removed twinstick hardware to create the ecosystem".
H_Prestige
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The Take Out Bandit said:
You will still get your flood of stupid anime games and 2D platformers with or without a second analog stick.
It is absolutely asinine to want a handheld that is capable of fewer types of games.
The Take Out Bandit
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UntoldDreams said:
Could be.
Twin sticks are either use for:
Crappy shooty games that are done better on PC or crappy platformer / action game the developer couldn't be arsed to come up with a good camera system for.
The Take Out Bandit said:
Developers can find hardware constraints just fine on their own without the manufacturer imposing glaring ones just for the hell of it. You seem to have some idea that a piece of hardware has to be broken in order to avoid dudebro syndrome. But you have it backward.
The reason PS360 is weighted toward the "moron [western] demographic" is Japanese developers are having a hard time making the cut on cutting-edge hardware. Giving them a platform to make traditional games where the stakes are a bit lower might inject some needed sunlight in your pseudo-intellectual Utopia. And like I said earlier, there's always digital distribution for the really out-there ideas.
PS2 catered to all audiences just fine. You can have Okami and Dudebro can have Modern Warfare. To the CPU, they both look the same.
Ploid 3.0
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The Take Out Bandit said:
I have never been against having awesome games on the go. I'd like some FFXII goodness on my PSP2, or San Andreas. Heck give me Fallout 3 on Psp2 and i'd also be happy. I'll play that mess in my back yard.
Note: The last real handheld I owned was gameboy brick. I have a HTC Desire but I can't really get into these touch screen games, and they are like popcorn. Play for a bit, then get tired of it's simplicity. I'm pretty much over Gamedev story because it's too easy after you get good people on your team. Constantly pumping out hall of fame games, and racking in too much money.
theBishop said:
both of those games fucking sucked. watered down, spinoff bullshit that led to the PSP getting saddled with a ridiculous and completely unwarranted reputation. chinatown wars and the warrors blow them out of the water
The Take Out Bandit said:
i hear what you're saying with this. There is a danger that both sony and third parties will stop making the excellent types of software that have come to define the PSP, in order to cater to the ever vociferous PS3 fanboys
i personally dont see why they should. the psp is a much better system than the PS3 which is the biggest bomb in playstation history. it's not as if ps3 software sells that well either so there can't be much financial incentive
i think the ideal situation would be to get a few multiplatform games and bespoke software from talented studios like sucker punch in addition to the likes of locoroco 2, patchwork heroes and syphon filter
Kurosaki Ichigo
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I really, really hope they put up some bigger, concave nubs in a better position because after a holiday session of PSP-2000 gaming today my thumb is exhausted. Gotta blame Ys addiction for not putting the system down when it started to hurt as usual.
UntoldDreams
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Sipowicz said:
I really don't know why people like Chinatown Wars. I bought it and REALLY tried to like it but it just seemed such a step BACKWARDS from the other GTA games including Liberty City Stories.
I always figured it was DS fanboyism that drove its popularity.
UntoldDreams
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Sipowicz said:
Come on that's jumping off the far edge of the fanboy cliff screaming "I can fly! I can fly!".
If Sony, at this point, based their entire Playstation economic fortunes on PSP & PSP2 while giving up on PS3 it would be ludicrous. Incomprehensible.
That makes no logical sense.
UntoldDreams said:
psp version is the best one
it's kind of a throwback to the old gta games on pc. but it's more faced paced and arcadey and they've improved a lot of stuff like car chases
it also doesn't take itself too seriously, which is a blessing after gta 4
UntoldDreams said:
really?
the PS3 lost them shitloads of money and hasn't exactly done the playsation brand any favours
the PSP has apparently made them money and is keeping them on top in japan and it has a much larger install base than the PS3.
sce shouldn't look towards the biggest bomb in their history when thinking of what to do with their next handheld. they should look at what they got right/wrong, look at their competitors, look at the market and where they could fit into that and look at utilising their console resources to buoy handheld software rather than replacing it
AranhaHunter
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rosjos44 said:
I don't know how you got that from his post, but that is something that I'm worried about with the 3DS, more specifically the game I'm most looking forward to, MGS3DS, one analog stick and one touch screen has not proven itself to be as good as two analog sticks on TPS/FPS, DS fans claim that it is, but I remain skeptical until I try it out myself.
AranhaHunter
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rosjos44 said:
Not at this point where they are making money off the PS3 and PSN is growing exponentially, no.
Sipowicz said:
Thanks for your opinion. Even if I agreed with you, which I don't, it's just not a useful comparison. Next you'll be telling me how you don't want a system capable of playing Castlevania Lord of Shadows because Symphony of the Night blows it out of the water. Even if it's true, it's a pointless comparison.
Yeah, because all those PS3 fanboys hate PSP and its exclusive Metal Gear, God of War, Socom, (etc) games.
AranhaHunter said:
O yea not right now. Especially since they ignored the system for a long time. However, the cost of PSP games (development, etc) is not as high as a PS3.
Though why isn't PSN fully integrated on PSP yet? (like friends list, etc?).
About your worry for control. It really depends not many people like a Mouse and WASD keys some do. I do admit the learning curve is high (Metriod Prime Hunters) but after a while it worked well.
Ah well, we will see. IS their a playable demo of MGS3D yet?
It's also not like if Sony were to drop the PS3 that the PSN would disappear. They earn 30% or so off every transaction on the store, if they were to promote full game downloads for the PSPNext they'd be making bank assuming every game was available at launch (they better put this in their development agreement!).
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I think you should look over the various Peace Walker, and Ghost of Sparta threads where it was asked for the games to be ported to the PS3, 3DS, etc.
theBishop said:
Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I think you should look over the various Peace Walker, and Ghost of Sparta threads where it was asked for the games to be ported to the PS3, 3DS, etc.
UntoldDreams
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rosjos44 said:
That's like me going to Nintendo and saying "Let's not invest in new technology".
See I saved you ONE BILLION DOLLARS!
The entire objective of the investment is to "mine for new gold locations" without wasting too much cash. I think we can safely say Sony spent too much on PS3 but that doesn't mean they didn't find nuggets of value here and there... because they obviously did find some value.
The biggest scary thing at the moment is that they are going for a big DIGITAL download future play. Also they are about to, crazily enough, attempt to fight with iTunes.
Fighting with iTunes is not a good position to take. I think its tantamount to suicide but who knows maybe they have some reasonable gameplan?
AranhaHunter
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Mr_Brit said:
36 billion Yen in 2009
~72 billion Yen in 2010
~300 billion Yen by 2012
Do you know what exponential means?
theBishop said:
err...
i never said anything about the capabilities of the system. i was just expressing my preference of two games over two other games
theBishop said:
yes because all the PSP has going for it, and all handheld iterations of those games are exactly the same as their console counterparts
thank you for your input
UntoldDreams
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Mr_Brit said:
Well... it will grow exponentially or die trying. Making a service to beat iTunes is no small undertaking in cost or technology.
How do they expect to beat itunes when they don't have a dedicated music device that's even close to being as popular as any of Apple's devices e.g. ipods, iphpnes, ipads. I can't imagine too many people downloading music itunes style to their PS3s or PSPs.UntoldDreams said:
UntoldDreams
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Mr_Brit said:
Well that's part of why I said it was crazy. Its chicken & egg situation for them so I don't exactly blame them though.
They know they are capable of making hardware like Walkman/PSP/PS3/TV so to them its simply a matter of making a worldwide itunes-like service and convincing people to BUY music from them.
See? The only tricky part is convincing people that... they should buy Sony stuff and pretend established competitors don't exist. (That's Kuturagi level of ambitious crazy)
AranhaHunter
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Are Sony trying to doom their gaming division? When this ridiculous strategy fails watch the exes blame Playstation and not themselves and see them reduce the amount of support/effort/money that SCE gets. Sony need to step into the 2010s and see that the landscape is far more different these days as outside of the TV market they really are falling behind.UntoldDreams said:
Sipowicz said:
Just like all PS3 has going for it are blockbuster, high budget action shooters. Its not like anyone plays Flower, Pixeljunk, Demon Souls, etc on PS3...
Games are games. I like good games on PSP. I like good games on PS3.
Speaking of which, I sure would love to play Demon Souls on the go.
UntoldDreams
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Takao said:
Yeah its a different format but I was speaking more from a consumer standpoint of Music service to music service.
People will spend 100's of millions on music related media this year and lots of that money will go to Apple. Sony would eventually like some of that cash to go to their music related service and their latest attempt is Qriocity.
EDIT: Let's not forget Sony OWNS music studios people. They do have some logical advantages.
AranhaHunter
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UntoldDreams said:
Sony has a very tough road ahead of them with Qriocity IMO, but at least they're not trying to go head on with Apple with just having a download service. I think they'll try stream + download option. If the subscription and download prices are good, they can have some kind of success. I don't think anyone will beat itunes though. SNE also needs to hurry up because I remember a rumor about Apple was supposed to come out with a subscription model as well.
EDIT: To counter your edit, it's not like SNE can leverage SME at this point in the game against itunes. The itunes userbase is way too big, and they can't just remove SME content from there, that'd be just stupid. They can possibly remove them from other competitors like Zune, Raphsody, Pandora, etc, but not itunes IMO.
UntoldDreams said:
This is why I think Sony should just embrace their strength and put out the most slick, most badass piece of handheld sex they can. I've got a pretty nice phone, I think the 3DS looks awesome, but if Sony can get a dramatically more powerful device out, which offers experiences that cannot be replicated on other portable systems, it will have a market to itself.
Assume the price doesn't sabotage it of course... and clearly that's a concern.
theBishop said:
so would i
one of the few ps3 exclusives i actually wanted to play after i sold my ps3i'm not having a go at you or anything. i agree that more capability from a handheld is better. the worry i have is that there wont be any more loco roco's or syphon filters or half minute heroes or persona 3 portables. i want to see this kind of excellent content continue to come to the PSP 2
if other stuff comes on top of that then that's fine. i just dont want it replaced
on topic psn integration i think sony fucked up really badly with the PSP. i think that's the biggest area for improvement for handhelds this gen. this doesn't only apply to playing online. it also applies to the quality and quantity of downloadable games
TPS are awesome games on the PSP and would rock on a PSP2 with dual analog sticks/pads...jockamo said:
I had a blast playing Syphon Filter Dark Mirror online back in the day. Maps were cool and it had sick ass weapons....dual sawed off shotties anyone?
Syphon Filter/Socom or future FPS titles on PSP2 = day1.
Sipowicz said:
PS3 software is selling much better than PSP software did.
That said, I don't see any reason Sony and third parties can't create and publish interesting games for PSP or a PSP2 as long as the market's there on that platform too. And heck, PSP shows that even when the market isn't as strongly there, they do make interesting software, so I wouldn't be worried.
Sipowicz said:so would i
i'm not having a go at you or anything. i agree that more capability from a handheld is better. the worry i have is that there wont be any more loco roco's or syphon filters or half minute heroes or persona 3 portables. i want to see this kind of excellent content continue to come to the PSP 2
if other stuff comes on top of that then that's fine. i just dont want it replaced
on topic psn integration i think sony fucked up really badly with the PSP. i think that'ss the biggest area for improvement this gen
this doesn't only apply to playing online. it also applies to the quality and quantity of downloadable games
At the risk of sounding like the sycophant I am, Sony seems to understand the need for diversity and experimentation in their lineup. If anything PS3 is even more ambitious in that regard than PSP. As impressed as I was about Loco Roco, Patapon, etc, the stuff ThatGameCompany does on PS3 is whole new level of avant-garde weirdness.
Maybe their vanguard studios spend too much time making hollywood shooters, but that's kind of the nature of things. The most successful, big budget art/entertainment is rarely the most thought-provoking and original.
People can argue hardware all they want but the 800lb gorilla in the room is software. PSPGo failing hard is one thing since they had the PSP 3000 still (though I can totally understand the argument that the PSP3000 being around causing third parties to ignore DD is totally legit) but this is going totally balls out DD only.
I'm sure I would be all over this normally but I don't need a bunch of portables and with some key PSP titles not being up for download therefore not being able to be played on the PSP2 sours me. I don't want to have a PSP and PSP2 sitting around. Secondly being entirely at the mercy of "deal with it" Chen and the PSN store is, worrisome to say the least.
I'm sure I would be all over this normally but I don't need a bunch of portables and with some key PSP titles not being up for download therefore not being able to be played on the PSP2 sours me. I don't want to have a PSP and PSP2 sitting around. Secondly being entirely at the mercy of "deal with it" Chen and the PSN store is, worrisome to say the least.
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