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Five years of the BANEPOST

I can only imagine that the large majority of people who volunteer the opinion that The Dark Knight Rises is one of the worst films they've ever seen—that it's a damaged, incomprehensible, busted mess beyond even the mere hope of repair—are people who have maybe not watched a lot of movies at all, and whose frame of reference for terrible filmmaking is blissfully, amazingly tiny.

It's one of the only scenarios that makes sense in the face of such a dire analysis of the film itself. I can see being disappointed in it. I can see being let down by it. I can see noting that the elements dont' all add up to an overwhelming positive.

But the idea that this is somehow occupies a tier of filmmaking including things like The Room, or Manos, or Plan 9, or The Spirit, or I Spit on Your Grave?

Nah.

(I've always liked this scene. I also remember the mild panic everyone had when they saw this scene in the IMAX preview and nobody understood anything being said)
 
I never knew this was a meme because of the poorly-worded dialogue. I assumed everyone knew "For you" was in response to "Will it be painful?".
 
War Peaceman said:
This is a shockingly poor movie. So badly written and put together. It is embarrassing that this was seen as fit for release.
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The circlejerk of hate for TDKR is baffling. It's really not as bad as some people make it out to be; in fact, it's brilliant and, in my opinion, was the best movie of 2012 and a fantastic ending to a great trilogy of films.

You don't have to like it, but acknowledge that it's objectively not shockingly poor, badly put together, and not fit for release.
 
To a classic

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jello44 said:
Well congratulations, you got yourself caught!

Now, what's the next step of your master plan?!
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CRASHING THIS PLANE

Inferno313 said:
I remember when this movie came out and she was one of the most-praised aspects of the film.

What is it about this particular film that draws out all these revisionist hot takes?
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I have no idea. It's baffling.

I guess one person hated it and everyone else started to go with it.
 
Inferno313 said:
I remember when this movie came out and she was one of the most-praised aspects of the film.

What is it about this particular film that draws out all these revisionist hot takes?
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Same with avatar, it has a higher metacritic rating than The Dark Knight, Civil War, any of the planet if the apes reboot movies, Arrival, etc but people insist its pure trash and only got 2.7 billion because of the special effects
 
itwasTuesday said:
So when FBI finds the body the dna will match poval.
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Inferno313 said:
Because they're trying to fake Dr. Pavel's death so that no one comes looking for him. They're planting his blood in another corpse so that he'll be declared dead in the wreckage.
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Anoregon said:
To make one of the corpses look like someone else's corpse
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They conceal the survival of a doctor to keep a government that already knows about and actively hunts for Bane, a man the government can neither find nor capture, to keep the government from looking for a man in Bane's custody.

Bleah...
 
NameGenerated said:
I get that the scene is goofy, but I never understood the memeness of it. Did everyone who said it made no sense just completely ignore Bane's previous line?
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I've studied the plane scene quite a bit since it became a meme. None of it makes sense. Maybe you could say that about any hollywood film, but the dialog is clunky and dissolves in sunlight. Big Guy for You began the meme, but the fire rose when people realized how shit the rest of the scene is.
 
Inferno313 said:
I remember when this movie came out and she was one of the most-praised aspects of the film.

What is it about this particular film that draws out all these revisionist hot takes?
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I thought she was bad on release but sure I just changed my mind because of the internet.
 
Gentleman Jack said:
They conceal the survival of a doctor to keep a government that already knows about and actively hunts for Bane, a man the government can neither find nor capture, to keep the government from looking for a man in Bane's custody.

Bleah...
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Well, they want Dr. Pavel because he's the only person who knows how to turn the Wayne tech generator thingy-doo into a nuke. If the government knew that they had that man in their custody, they might be able to piece together what Bane is trying to do and have men waiting for them at the generator. Given the context, it makes total sense.
 
Beaulieu said:
yeah same.... also the sound mix with Bane's voice is horrendous... why is it playing twice the volume of everything else ?
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No clue. It was super distracting in the entire movie.
 
Chezzymann said:
Same with avatar, it has a higher metacritic rating than The Dark Knight, Civil War, any of the planet if the apes reboot movies, Arrival, etc but people insist its pure trash and only got 2.7 billion because of the special effects
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Avatar was a generic story with a wooden lead that was lawded because of its SFX and 3D. It making a lot of money doesn't translate into it being a good film.
 
Inferno313 said:
Come back when you've seen more than 3 movies.
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I never said it was the worst movie. It isn't anywhere close. Simply having a whole bunch of talented actors doing good work in it elevates it above many.

It is shockingly poor because it was a tentpole release by an acclaimed director in a series that was strong up until then. I don't particularly like Nolan (besides the Prestige, which is a masterpiece), but he is clearly a very skilled director.

In this film you have;

-Bane's terrible voice
-The Talia death scene
-The Bane vs. Batman fight in front of the policeman mob just looks pathetic and amateurish. The idea of Batman having to fight without all the gadgetry is a good one, the scene is terribly shot. The whole scene, especially the crowd of policeman vs baddies is woefully directed and feels small and staged.
-All of Gotham feels lazily staged and set. It lacks the atmosphere and grime and moral sickness that is visible in the preceding movies. Especially noticeable later in the film. They did it before, why not this time?
-The fight scenes are riddled with technical errors
-The Talia twist is so underwritten it undermines the whole twist. They meet like twice, fuck once and... bam! There's no investment in the character or in her relationship to make the twist feel earned. Instead it feels weak AND undermines Bane's character.
-Robin was irrelevant to the film - the cowardly police man is a better written character

It is very sloppily written - every single fucking policeman is in the sewers eh? Everything about the pit feels contrived and against the realistic tone of the trilogy (although I do think his rise up is an exciting scene). Him returning from the pit feels weird with the pace of the film, though I am less critical of that because him getting back would be boring to watch.

There are a lot of weird nitpick things that I don't mind in of themselves, but together they really add up; Bane's robbery makes no sense and would easily be resolved by the SEC. Daggett would easily get caught lol. Batman's weird graffiti. Robin figures out who Bruce Wayne is but Wayne doesn't figure out who Talia is. Everything about the CIA plane scene is bad - how do they not notice the plane? The CIA have forensics so can tell the body left behind is not one of theirs?

I actually quite enjoy watching it, because Bale, Cotillard, Hardy etc. are good actors and the music is really exciting. But it is really badly made.
 
Bufbaf said:
No clue. It was super distracting in the entire movie.
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Wasn't it to make him commanding and all-encompassing?

He was also dubbed, so could just be that Hardy didn't account for him having different levels of volume depending on the scene, making it harder for them to edit it.
 
Icolin said:
I have no idea. It's baffling.

I guess one person hated it and everyone else started to go with it.
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I read a theory regarding how hate for popular stuff gets traction. It's a bit like small man syndrome - the people who dislike it are in the minority, and they know that, so they feel they need to shout extra loud, and over-exaggerate (to the point of convincing themselves) about how utterly awful it is to try and balance out all the positive opinions.

Similar with sports stars.
 
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