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[dan2026]

Most people that are carrying a gun are imagining how the people felt in the very few seconds before they were shot and were powerless to fight back. How fragile life really is, and the power someone else has over you when they are aiming a gun at you. Nobody is there to protect you, not a police officer, not internet outrage after the fact, not sappy news stories, not hugs and dreams, not a 30 day training session in krav maga. Having a last line of defense for that very specific situation is why people carry their firearms.

Bad things happen. Carrying a gun isn't going to mean you are ever going to use it, but having it with you just means you are taking a step to protect yourself or your family.

I realize this is an unpopular opinion on GAF but it is the reality of the situation.

Absolute and utter rubbish.

Do you walk the streets in fear for your life?
Do you prowl your house wondering if a gun toting maniac is going to burst in the door?
'But if only I had that gun, things would be different!'

'I would only use my gun in self defense! I am different from that other guy who shot up a school and killed 20 kids, HE WAS CRAZY!'

You bring shame to your Superman avatar.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

As a strong apposer to gun free places im for this. If one kid can protect themselves then it is a success.

If one person got shot and killed due to an accidental shooting or an altercation that normally wouldn't have yielded a deadly outcome, then this policy is a failure.

 

[FLEABttn]

Gun owners are going to have to lobby quite a bit harder for the "other than gun related" things that supposedly cause gun violence if they want people to stop blaming the guns themselves.

365 mass shootings last year in the USA alone really makes it a ridiculous notion to say guns have nothing to do with it when a country like Australia hasn't had a mass shooting since 1996.

 

[shinobi602]

Do you walk the streets in fear for your life?

Ehhh...why does carrying a weapon have to automatically mean that? I carry a weapon. I don't walk the streets in fear for my life...

 

[RaikuHebi]

Good decision! I don´t want to empty out my gun rack every single time I head to class!

If Capcom ever wanted to make Monster Hunter appeal to the Western market...

 

[genjiZERO]

As long as licensing requirements are strict--I don't know I'm not a Florida lawyer--I don't mind.

I'm more worried at the lack of comprehensive mental health evaluation for licenses nationwide.

Remember, Florida is a state where I guy recently stalked a child, gunned him down, and got away with it. The potential for harm is pretty high.

 

[CHUNKYBOWSER]

This law makes it easier for people to travel with their weapon in Florida. For example, I am a college student. I will get my concealed carry license next year and hopefully purchase a firearm. I go to school five days a week, and I don't always go home before I go to the grocery store (in a bad part of town) or other places. This law allows me to carry my weapon on school grounds, strictly in my car, while I attend class. This way, I don't have to go back home to pick up my firearm before I head somewhere where I would feel the need to protect myself.

Many of you are not thinking of this, you are only thinking of what would happen if someone took the gun out of their car and carried it around campus. You all are all arguing over something that's not even a part of this law.

 

[Halcyon]

So they're paranoid and need psychiatric help?

I wouldn't say paranoid. Cops carry handguns for a specific reason. They are putting themselves in dangerous situations every day and are dealing with criminals so they carry a lethal form of defense.

Civilians don't put themselves in dangerous situations but they will definitely encounter them. 99.95% of the time people are generally safe but obviously people are put in dangerous situations without wanting to.

Carrying a weapon for people just becomes a part of something you do. Like putting your phone in your pants. You don't then go around being paranoid, but you can make yourself more aware of your surroundings.

 

[Halcyon]

Absolute and utter rubbish.

Do you walk the streets in fear for your life?
Do you prowl your house wondering if a gun toting maniac is going to burst in the door?
'But if only I had that gun, things would be different!'

'I would only use my gun in self defense! I am different from that other guy who shot up a school and killed 20 kids, HE WAS CRAZY!'

You bring shame to your Superman avatar.

I feel like we should hug this out.

 

[FonkyByNature]

Mannn, i find these gun laws very disturbing... i've had a very different education from where i come where if you wanna be a tough guy, fight with your fists, not with with a sissy-ass gun !

It's like people live in fear everyday and that's just not the way it should be.

 

[highoffcoffee496]

I support basic guns rights but this is does not seem safe. This won't end well imo

 

[dan2026]

I feel like we should hug this out.

Sorry, I just find the 'gotta getta gun' mentality deeply disturbing and a deep societal problem in America.

And it makes me weep to think that when the first guy loses it and kills 30 in a Florida University. Nothing will change.

 

[Conscience Falls]

Some one has to protect Florida from Florida.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Preeeeetty sure if you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, you can drive with it anywhere in any state, including a university parking lot. In NY plenty of people with concealed permits had a gun hidden in their cars. How is this any different?

 

[MrChom]

Man, this is just sad....I mean, I'm of a mind where NO ONE outside of on-duty policemen and current serving military should have guns, they serve no purpose in modern society (And this is from someone who has shot shotguns and rifles, and has both accuracy and safety qualifications awarded by military bodies for them).

I think that quotation from someone on campus got it right:

"It's just not the right environment for those items," said Perry, president-elect of the International Association of Campus Law Enforcement Administrators. "It presents an opportunity for those weapons to be used — and also stolen."

Then again this whole situation is mind boggling for someone in the UK where one school shooting effectively ended most private handgun ownership, where flick knives/brass knuckles/etc. are also illegal, and where carrying a knife or gun in public can result in a prison sentence. So glad we don't have an effective gun lobby over here...

 

[Gamefreaks221]

Sorry, I just find the 'gotta getta gun' mentality deeply disturbing and a deep societal problem in America.

And it makes me weep to think that when the first guy loses it and kills 30 in a Florida University. Nothing will change.

Isnt equally paranoid to have this stance? I own 3 guns and have a concealed permit does that mean im just gonna snap one day and shoot somebody? The notion that we are all ticking time bombs waiting to shoot up a school is utterly ridiculous.

 

[Ahasverus]

And to know everyone here goes to Florida for vacations, I will be like no thank you just kill me already

Isnt equally paranoid to have this stance? I own 3 guns and have a concealed permit does that mean im just gonna snap one day and shoot somebody? The notion that we are all ticking time bombs waiting to shoot up a school is utterly ridiculous.

What about a cheating wife? An agressive teenager on the street? A man so drunk that pushed you in a bar? You in depression? They all have more posibilities of dying by youur hand. Guns make NOTHING better, absolutely nothing.

 

[dan2026]

I look at it like this, what is more important?

a) The extremely slim chance that the gun you carry will actually save the lives of you or your family.

b) The almost certain chance that you would be saving the countless lives of people who were shot and killed by others who were just having a bad day/week/life.

Isnt equally paranoid to have this stance? I own 3 guns and have a concealed permit does that mean im just gonna snap one day and shoot somebody? The notion that we are all ticking time bombs waiting to shoot up a school is utterly ridiculous.

No I don't think so.
People are unreliable, people get angry, people get ill, people get drunk, people get crazy.

The you of today may not be the you of tomorrow.
Maybe you will never shoot another man in your life. Can you say the same about the rest of Florida? Of America?

Why take the risk?

 

[Maxxan]

Now the good guys with guns can stop the bad guys with guns! And as we all know, preventing bad guys from getting guns is impossible, so lets not try that.

 

[BattleMonkey]

Preeeeetty sure if you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, you can drive with it anywhere in any state, including a university parking lot. In NY plenty of people with concealed permits had a gun hidden in their cars. How is this any different?

Concealed permits don't let you carry your gun anywhere, you typically have restrictions, like usually you can't carry a gun on government property like a Post Office even. Also if private property states you can't bring a weapon on premises, you have to respect their wishes or they can kick you out. Movie theaters started posting no weapons allowed decals on their doors in some places, so no you can't bring your gun even with a concealed permit. Schools are typically no gun zones as well.

It's funny how you can walk into a bank with a gun though since they usually don't say you can't lol

 

[Yaboosh]

Preeeeetty sure if you have a permit to carry a concealed weapon, you can drive with it anywhere in any state, including a university parking lot. In NY plenty of people with concealed permits had a gun hidden in their cars. How is this any different?

It wasn't legal before. It was a felony to have a gun in your car on University property.

 

[FLEABttn]

b) The almost certain chance that you would be saving the countless lives of people who were shot and killed by others who were just having a bad day/week/life.

nm, we're agreeing.

 

[Fallout-NL]

Most people that are carrying a gun are imagining how the people felt in the very few seconds before they were shot and were powerless to fight back. How fragile life really is, and the power someone else has over you when they are aiming a gun at you. Nobody is there to protect you, not a police officer, not internet outrage after the fact, not sappy news stories, not hugs and dreams, not a 30 day training session in krav maga. Having a last line of defense for that very specific situation is why people carry their firearms.

Bad things happen. Carrying a gun isn't going to mean you are ever going to use it, but having it with you just means you are taking a step to protect yourself or your family.

I realize this is an unpopular opinion on GAF but it is the reality of the situation.

Sorry, it just doesn't make sense.

What kind of society is more likely to have serious incidents involving firearms: one where no one is allowed to own firearms except for law enforcement agencies or a society where everyone is fucking strapped?

That's not to say I don't see where you're coming from. The US is beyond hope when you consider how many weapons are already in circulation.

 

[Ahasverus]

Man, I like the us, I'd love going there sometime, living, even, but the only though of people that have it so easy to kill me, and that they are so justified by their culture puts away any wish of meeting them I feel I have more posibilities of dying there than here.

 

[Joezie]

Although it does make me uncomfortable, I have to say, having moved from Central Florida to the Space coast 3 years ago, that I'm not too worried about it. Small towns and close knit communities over here have helped.

If I was in southern, Central or Northwestern FL though? I might be a bit of a nervous wreck considering the usual types of stories coming out of those areas. I still remember the chaos that was living along Goldenrod....ughh

 

[shinobi602]

That's not to say I don't see where you're coming from. The US is beyond hope when you consider how many weapons are already in circulation.

This is exactly where I stand. I don't like violence (except when it comes to gaming ), and I sure as hell don't think weapons should be what human beings resort to to solve differences.

I've carried a concealed weapon for the last 4 years, the day I turned 21. I got married a year later, and have my first child coming in less than 2 weeks. I've never once even thought of using my gun on somebody. Ever. Hell, I think I got in 2 fights total in my life, and that was due to being a dumb teenager, what else can you say. Anybody who knows me in real life would never assume I would have a gun on me, simply due to my nature. I'm always nice to people, I have almost no violent tendencies. I just want to live my life, provide for my wife and soon to be son, be a good human being...

I've been in 2 instances where someone I know had a weapon and it saved our lives.

The sad (very sad) reality is any hope for this country is long gone. There are so many guns in circulation, so many whackos that mean people harm that are armed and dangerous. I think society would be much better off without weapons. I hate weapons in fact. But until society reaches the culmination of what it should be, I'll continue to protect myself in the hopes I never have to use it. I don't know, maybe I'm just talking out of my ass, but that's the way I feel anyway.

 

[AlteredForms]

When the times comes and somebody shoots up an afternoon lecture at a Florida university, don't show them any compassion. Only the cold shoulder.

 

[Somnid]

At least if something goes down, it goes down in Florida.

 

[zma1013]

Criminals don't follow laws, so those saying that this would cause more shootings clearly haven't thought this through. On the other hand, I'd feel safer knowing I could defend myself from one of those shootings if there was no other option but to use my weapon.

Sure you could defend yourself, assuming the attacker will allow you to go to your car, grab your gun, and then come back.

 

[zeemumu]

Sigh, of f**king course they do...

 

[Tabby]

Why are guns even allowed anywhere?

 

[Wazzy]

Well you already posted bugs bunny so....fucking Florida is my response.

 

[zma1013]

Why are guns even allowed anywhere?

Some old paper some old dudes wrote their names on.

 

[richiek]

Hey, guns are allowed in movie theaters in Florida, why not universities?

 

[Valkyr Junkie]

Why has the thread title not been corrected yet?

 

[Camp Lo]

Why has the thread title not been corrected yet?

?

 

[zma1013]

Why has the thread title not been corrected yet?

Awww you ruined it. That made it more special, now it's boring likes all the other thread titles.

 

[Dre3001]

This topic doesn't make any sense.

So because now that the law allows for guns to be brought onto campus that will be the deciding factor for everyone that owns a gun? Were they supposedly scared beforehand of bringing their gun everywhere but this law removes that fear? Is this the line of thought going on in this topic?

Seriously what exactly was stopping people before from bringing a gun onto campus or inside their vehicle?

 

[Mammoth Jones]

I personally wouldn't even want to keep my gun in a parked car unattended. Either I'm going home with a gun, to the range with a gun or to a gunsmith with a gun.

Other schools have allowed this and it didn't magically open the floodgates to people pulling guns every time they got an F.

Seriously what exactly was stopping people before from bringing a gun onto campus or inside their vehicle?

I believe the law prevents them if the establishment prohibits firearms on their property. I could be wrong. I don't live in FL.

 

[Dre3001]

I believe the law prevents them if the establishment prohibits firearms on their property. I could be wrong. I don't live in FL.

My point was that if someone really felt threatened the law would not stop them from carrying a gun in their car.

I know people who had carried guns in their car before for years. This type of stuff has been happening. To think that the law was really stopping people beforehand in my opinion is simply just naive.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

My point was that if someone really felt threatened the law would not stop them from carrying a gun in their car.

I know people who had carried guns in their car before for years. This type of stuff has been happening. To think that the law was really stopping people beforehand in my opinion is simply just naive.

Agreed. But they are breaking the law. As much as the law sucks I believe that as a gun owner it should be followed. Even though it often doesn't make sense. This change would now not make criminals out of people utilizing their 2A right.

Personally I think leaving a gun in a car unattended is really fucking dumb.

 

[Phoenix]

Not sure why this is considered a good idea by the lawmakers in Florida. Georgia is actually looking at similar legislation soon as well.

My feeling is this. If we can allow guns in the universities, why can't we allow guns in the courtrooms and legislative buildings as well.

 

[Fenderputty]

Don't you know you're all supposed to feel more secure as more people with guns means more heros available who could prevent your rape?

 

[Chabbles]

Threads like this:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=751511&highlight=

Are why this is a terrible fucking idea

The guy in that thread is weighing up the odds, going to university or getting revenge and possibly blowing his chances at uni.

After reading this thread, he might want to forget about uni.

 

[Junior Mint]

Most people that are carrying a gun are imagining how the people felt in the very few seconds before they were shot and were powerless to fight back. How fragile life really is, and the power someone else has over you when they are aiming a gun at you. Nobody is there to protect you, not a police officer, not internet outrage after the fact, not sappy news stories, not hugs and dreams, not a 30 day training session in krav maga. Having a last line of defense for that very specific situation is why people carry their firearms.

Bad things happen. Carrying a gun isn't going to mean you are ever going to use it, but having it with you just means you are taking a step to protect yourself or your family.

I realize this is an unpopular opinion on GAF but it is the reality of the situation.

Lol, what garbage. This is the difference between America and other countries. Nobody should walk the streets fearing for their life. Maybe if it weren't so easy to obtain guns, you wouldn't have to constantly live in fear of being shot.

 

[Mudkips]

The only problem I have with this is they still think they're able to restrict people from carrying a gun around on public land.

 

[Fenderputty]

The only problem I have with this is they still think they're able to restrict people from carrying a gun around on public land.

Not enough freedom?

 

[dan2026]

Maybe if it weren't so easy to obtain guns, you wouldn't have to constantly live in fear of being shot.

And curtain.

Bravo.

 

[empty vessel]

My point was that if someone really felt threatened the law would not stop them from carrying a gun in their car.

I know people who had carried guns in their car before for years. This type of stuff has been happening. To think that the law was really stopping people beforehand in my opinion is simply just naive.

This argument applies to every criminal law. Your argument is that criminal laws are worthless, because if somebody really wants to do something, they will do it notwithstanding any law. In fact, you're arguing not just that all criminal laws are worthless, but that all laws are worthless.

It's a bad argument. A really bad, terrible, horrible argument.

 

[Valnen]

Lol, what garbage. This is the difference between America and other countries. Nobody should walk the streets fearing for their life. Maybe if it weren't so easy to obtain guns, you wouldn't have to constantly live in fear of being shot.

Doesn't London have a problem with knife crime or something?