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Forbes (contributor): 'Last Jedi' Grosses Are Collapsing...

Lucasfilm’s The Last Jedi earned $19 million on its third Friday, a drop of just 23% from last Friday’s $24m day-eight gross. To wit, that’s a smaller “third Friday” drop than Force Awakens (-30%) and just slightly higher than Rogue One (-20%).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...nd-best-3rd-friday-drop-ever-for-100m-opener/

And from that article.....the headline and some interesting quotes.

Box Office: 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' Has 2nd-Best 3rd-Friday Drop Ever For $100M+ Opener


Oh, and its 23% third-Friday drop is the second-lowest ever for a $100 million+ opener, between Rogue One (-20%) and Wonder Woman (-30%). We can expect a $55m (-23%) third weekend for a 17-day total of $520m. That will be the second-biggest third-weekend drop for a $100m+ opener in history, between Rogue One (-22%) and The Jungle Book (-29%)..

The Rian Johnson sequel will end the year as the top-grossing movie of 2017 in North America. That is the third time in a row that a Star Wars movie has topped the box office in North America by the end of the year despite opening just before the end of the year. It is, yet again, the second-fastest-grossing movie of all time behind The Force Awakens and probably won’t give that silver medal up until it starts to trail Avatar.

It has earned $483.7 million in 15 days and will pass Finding Dory ($486m) today. It’ll pass the unadjusted domestic grosses of Rogue One ($532m last year) and The Dark Knight ($534m back in 2008 and sans 3D) on Monday to become the sixth-biggest domestic grosser of all time, so there’s that too. Worldwide, it crossed $900m on Thursday and should be over/under $975m global as of yesterday. So yeah, it’s probably going to top $1 billion either sometime today or very, very early tomorrow.

So, what does this all mean? Well, it means that those classic December legs did their thing, as the prophecy foretold. The folks who were dying to see The Last Jedi did so on opening weekend, and frankly the film’s $220 million debut was a lot closer to the $248m opening Fri-Sun frame of The Force Awakens than I expected. And, after that, the movie cooled off (comparatively), as many of the nation’s kids remained in school for much of the pre-Christmas week.

Even if you had folks who wanted to see the Daisy Ridley/John Boyega/Oscar Isaac/Adam Driver/Mark Hamill/Carrie Fisher actioner again or wanted to catch up with it eventually, the post-Christmas holiday just made it more convenient to wait until the presents had been unwrapped. We haven’t had a Christmas on a Monday since 2006, and there is a difference between having the holiday fall in the middle of the school vacation and having it fall before the school vacation. This year was a little weird as the party didn’t start until after Santa did his business.


So it's not doing as bad as some thought.
 
So it's not doing as bad as some thought.

A lot after the release, but as word to mouth kicked in it was closer or even under Rogue One. So not that great. Disney has to thank the reviewers for all those great reviews, nobody rained on the parade they were all such good sports.

The negative or mixed reviews came after release.
 
I do agree that TLJ was about 30 minutes too long. And most of that was due to the silly Finn and Rose adventure before and during the Casino City. That whole section should have been cut down by 75%.

It screams of "hey, we need something for Finn to do". Which is a shame because Boyega was a treat in TFA and in this movie he is relegated to a subplot mainly concerned about convincing the audience that the rebellion are the good guys and the empire the bad guys.

The movie is weak, but Star Wars always makes bank.
 
It was always going to do ok given its holiday season and if nothing more it's a family outing, but whether people will come out of it and want to rewatch it is another matter entirely.
 
I’d like to watch it for a 3rd time. Film was made to make you rethink what you know about the force.

I agree. And after hearing what Rian Johnson said about his decisions, I really want to watch it a second time. Makes more sense with why he went in the direction that he did.
 
It screams of "hey, we need something for Finn to do". Which is a shame because Boyega was a treat in TFA and in this movie he is relegated to a subplot mainly concerned about convincing the audience that the rebellion are the good guys and the empire the bad guys.

The movie is weak, but Star Wars always makes bank.

It should have been Finn and Poe going out together for the subplot. But, they needed their diversity checklist hire.
 
It should have been Finn and Poe going out together for the subplot. But, they needed their diversity checklist hire.

Poe is pretty much uninteresting, he'll forever live as a character under the shadow of han solo. I wouldn't mind him getting killed offscreen.
 
Pretty bad. Somehow, the movie managed to drop from its Thursday numbers.

It reportedly made 19.06 million.

LOL, WUT?

I checked last night and the early estimate was 24m.

I guess this checks out with my brother's description of how empty his theaters were yesterday.
 
A lot after the release, but as word to mouth kicked in it was closer or even under Rogue One. So not that great. Disney has to thank the reviewers for all those great reviews, nobody rained on the parade they were all such good sports.

The negative or mixed reviews came after release.

With Disney now buying Fox you have to play ball with them
 
Actually i can see that....his death is actually just an effect in post production (outside of the Rey and Leia scene). Hamill may very well have not know..in fact there is footage on youtube from after the premiere of him looking utterly shell shocked. And also only Lucas, Kershner, James Earl Jones and him knew Vader was Lukes father until the premiere...the script really said Obi Wan murdered his father.

The discourse surrounding this movie has reached its peak. Go home everyone.
 
It was always going to do ok given its holiday season and if nothing more it's a family outing, but whether people will come out of it and want to rewatch it is another matter entirely.

It’s doing over a billion ww. The Rhian trilogy is a lock. Get used to it.
 
It’s doing over a billion ww. The Rhian trilogy is a lock. Get used to it.

Get used to what? Some future films being made that I have no interest in?

Pretty sure I can get used to that.

The same way I got used to there being no more Superman movies after Superman 2.

The same way I got used to there being no more Alien films after Aliens...

And so on.

It’s not difficult.
 
It's doing over a billion ww. The Rhian trilogy is a lock. Get used to it.

The idea with a trilogy is you want to grow your audience. Regardless of an uptick due to the Holiday break, the film is not going to match its predecessor in terms of box office. Domestically in the States, it would have to do around another $400 million to simply equalise. Which given current box office it would need to maintain present attendance levels for another 3 weeks without a drop off to achieve that. With kids going back to school now Christmas is over, that's very unlikely to happen.

Painting this as a win for Johnson seems kind of bizarre. People didn't go to see a Rian Johnson film, they went to see a Star Wars film. If you think Disney is going to be happy with an underperforming film you have a strange understanding of how business works.
 
The idea with a trilogy is you want to grow your audience. Regardless of an uptick due to the Holiday break, the film is not going to match its predecessor in terms of box office. Domestically in the States, it would have to do around another $400 million to simply equalise. Which given current box office it would need to maintain present attendance levels for another 3 weeks without a drop off to achieve that. With kids going back to school now Christmas is over, that's very unlikely to happen.

This is true. But I think Star Wars is a unique case. It's probably at the upper limits of domestic movie attendance when a new film comes out. Not to mention that the middle Star Wars film grossing less than the first and third happened with the Original and Prequel trilogy. I'd bet money that the last film in this trilogy makes more money than The Last Jedi because people want to see the sendoff of the new characters.

I mean, The Last Jedi was still #1 grossing domestic film of 2017 and it'll probably be the worldwide winner too. It's slower than you'd expect, but it's not this complete collapse like people are framing it. We've seen box office collapse a couple times in 2017 with Transformers and Pirates, where interest has obviously wained and they're being propped up almost entirely by the foreign box office.

Heck, even Fate of the Furious seems to be having issues with how lopsided its foreign haul is compared to domestically. Still a success story but it's a similar path as what happened with the aforementioned Transformers and Pirates franchises right before they imploded.

They're not taking away Rian's deal over this. Maybe the producers watch him a little closer, that's all I'd expect
 
It only made 13 million on its 3rd Sunday. Rogue One earned 16 million on its 3rd Sunday. And this is the last "big" weekend it's going to have. I don't see how that can be a good sign for Disney.
 
If he has poisoned the well for the Solo movie they will talk to him again.

I think that well was already poisoned. I'm holding out faith because Howard is a solid director and it's a Kasdan script, but who knows. Even if nobody shows up for Solo, I don't they'll place the blame at Rian's feet. Heck, I don't even think Howard would get the blame there.

Now if Episode IX has a poor opening...yeah, you gotta look back at the movie before. But no matter what, I wouldn't expect it to open bigger than The Force Awakens
 
This is true. But I think Star Wars is a unique case. It's probably at the upper limits of domestic movie attendance when a new film comes out. Not to mention that the middle Star Wars film grossing less than the first and third happened with the Original and Prequel trilogy. I'd bet money that the last film in this trilogy makes more money than The Last Jedi because people want to see the sendoff of the new characters.

Why on earth would Disney give a shit about what happened to the previous trilogy films? Let alone view them as a model for how their films should perform? ESB is over 30 years old, the data is pretty much irrelevant. TPM wasn't well received, so a lot of people didn't go to TCW, however it reviewed better and improved peoples opinion, so RoTS did better accordingly.
 
Why on earth would Disney give a shit about what happened to the previous trilogy films? Let alone view them as a model for how their films should perform? ESB is over 30 years old, the data is pretty much irrelevant. TPM wasn't well received, so a lot of people didn't go to TCW, however it reviewed better and improved peoples opinion, so RoTS did better accordingly.

Because they're dealing with an event film. These aren't standard blockbusters where people dip their toes into the water or discover it on video, and then flood in for the sequel. The Last Jedi was never going to do better than The Force Awakens. So you actually thought Jedi was going to open bigger or gross more than Force Awakens? That's silly. It's a different pattern than other franchises because the first release is this big bombastic pop culture event. There isn't room for growth. And even still, Jedi was the #1 domestic release of the year. We're talking about the franchise slowing down when it was the top grossing film of the year. These films operate at a different level than a Guardians of the Galaxy or a Deadpool. Where those caught an audience and had room to expand for the next entry, Force Awakens was already at the top. It's the highest grossing (domestic) film of all time. That's the ceiling right now.
 
So you actually thought Jedi was going to open bigger or gross more than Force Awakens? That's silly.

Pretty sure I didn't say that at all. but I'd expect it to at least match it comparatively (which isn't going to happen based on the numbers). Feel free to make up more BS I didn't say though with your next post valiantly defend the honour of Disney Corporation though.
 
Star Wars was away for 10 years before TFA. You cannot have a Star Wars movie every year and expect TFA numbers. Watch what happens with the new Jurassic movie.
 
Pretty sure I didn't say that at all. but I'd expect it to at least match it comparatively (which isn't going to happen based on the numbers). Feel free to make up more BS I didn't say though with your next post valiantly defend the honour of Disney Corporation though.

Uhhh, when have I ever done that? Feel free to look at my posts in the Disney/Fox merger threads to see how I feel about that...but yeah, sure I'm some mindless Disney defender. You sound like you're projecting your feelings about the film or the company onto your "take."

The numbers are the numbers. The Last Jedi should already be pretty high on the charts for domestic earners of all time. The Force Awakens and The Phantom Menace are incredibly unique cultural events. Star Wars was away and those were big return films. You can't repeat that with the sequels a few years later, people trail off. You might win some back with the finale so they see how it ends but it's never going to top that first return zeitgeist. It's a different momentum than your average superhero franchises that build up steam, they had room to do so. The Force Awakens doesn't have any room.

I don't even know if they'd be able to recapture it with a new trilogy now that Star Wars is a yearly event.
 
Domestically, there's only a 93M gap between Rogue One and TLJ

Since Christmas Day the gap is only 3.3M

Its SW so its still making crazy bank but for a mainline saga film that's poor WOM at work

Had it been better received by general audiences it should hit n the 750 ball park with a chance at 800M if people really loved it.

A sub-650M finish has to be a disappointment after opening to just 10% less than TFA and having amazing critical reception.
 
Unfortunately, I really hope TLJ continues to fall off the map. The only message Disney would care about is making less money. TLJ is mediocre, I don't get all the Rian Johnson love either, he is also mediocre.

He really hasn't done shit and it is beyond me why Disney would give him an entire trilogy based on his work on TLJ. He must be really good at pitching/PR or Kathleen Kennedy just loves this guy because I don't see it.
 
Unfortunately, I really hope TLJ continues to fall off the map. The only message Disney would care about is making less money. TLJ is mediocre, I don't get all the Rian Johnson love either, he is also mediocre.

He really hasn't done shit and it is beyond me why Disney would give him an entire trilogy based on his work on TLJ. He must be really good at pitching/PR or Kathleen Kennedy just loves this guy because I don't see it.
Well based the fact that 4+ directors have been fired, walked out and refuse to work with do another film with them again I'd say Rian did as he was told and she likes that.
 
The idea with a trilogy is you want to grow your audience. Regardless of an uptick due to the Holiday break, the film is not going to match its predecessor in terms of box office. Domestically in the States, it would have to do around another $400 million to simply equalise. Which given current box office it would need to maintain present attendance levels for another 3 weeks without a drop off to achieve that. With kids going back to school now Christmas is over, that's very unlikely to happen.

Painting this as a win for Johnson seems kind of bizarre. People didn't go to see a Rian Johnson film, they went to see a Star Wars film. If you think Disney is going to be happy with an underperforming film you have a strange understanding of how business works.

The toy sales are up. The movie ticket sales are flat to a bit down from TFA which was the first Star Wars movie in forever so ofcourse it was huge. You're extremely biased and can't see the forest for the trees here because Johnson did some things with characters that you didn't like. That is what you need to get over. If Johnson just starts pandering and isn't creative THAT would be a huge problem and that is probably why TLJ reviewed so well and received some backlash from a minority of fans.

Pretty sure I didn't say that at all. but I'd expect it to at least match it comparatively (which isn't going to happen based on the numbers). Feel free to make up more BS I didn't say though with your next post valiantly defend the honour of Disney Corporation though.

Lol. Why in the world would TLJ be bigger than TFA? TFA was a hype juggernaut with a starved audience. TLJ is a sequel to a non starved audience. Practically no one thought TLJ would match TFA and I invest in theaters, I'm paying attention, literally no one thought that.
 
Rian Johnson wasn't creative though. TLJ is just as much of a rehash as TFA. Just because you shuffle ESB and RotJ together into one film doesn't mean you came up with anything at all. I think Johnson is pandering, just not to fans, but to Disney.

I don't think TLJ reviewed well because it is a good film, but that is another story altogether.
 
About 49% of people didn't like TLJ according to RT, so I would say that's more than a small minority of fans. It's the worst reviewed Star Wars film by fans, even lower than Phantom Menace.
 
Rian Johnson wasn't creative though. TLJ is just as much of a rehash as TFA. Just because you shuffle ESB and RotJ together into one film doesn't mean you came up with anything at all. I think Johnson is pandering, just not to fans, but to Disney.

I don't think TLJ reviewed well because it is a good film, but that is another story altogether.

Did you watch TLJ? It's not a rehash and it is a good film. The idea that Disney pressures all reviewers is frankly ridiculous.

About 49% of people didn't like TLJ according to RT, so I would say that's more than a small minority of fans. It's the worst reviewed Star Wars film by fans, even lower than Phantom Menace.

The fact that it's viewer reviewed lower than tPM invalidates any metric that includes that. No rational person could watch those two films next to eachother and think TPM is better. TPM is cinematic garbage.

It's cinema score (which is far more accurate and not able to be trolled) is an A.
 
Did you watch TLJ? It’s not a rehash and it is a good film. The idea that Disney pressures all reviewers is frankly ridiculous.



The fact that it’s viewer reviewed lower than tPM invalidates any metric that includes that. No rational person could watch those two films next to eachother and think TPM is better. TPM is cinematic garbage.

It’s cinema score (which is far more accurate and not able to be trolled) is an A.
I watched it twice already. I don't have a problem with any "rehash" elements in TLJ, btw I love TFA. I just don't like hearing about how TFA is a rehash, when TLJ is on the same level of rehash (reordering the same beats is not particularly novel).

Aside from all of the subjective issues I have with TLJ, I think it is a bit of a mess in general (structure, pacing, etc.). I don't hate TLJ, but it is by no means "great" or "innovative".
 
Unfortunately, I really hope TLJ continues to fall off the map. The only message Disney would care about is making less money. TLJ is mediocre, I don't get all the Rian Johnson love either, he is also mediocre.

He really hasn't done shit and it is beyond me why Disney would give him an entire trilogy based on his work on TLJ. He must be really good at pitching/PR or Kathleen Kennedy just loves this guy because I don't see it.
I've only ever seen Looper and this Star Wars movie by him but Looper was pretty damn good imo
 
Did you watch TLJ? It's not a rehash and it is a good film. The idea that Disney pressures all reviewers is frankly ridiculous.

The fact that it's viewer reviewed lower than tPM invalidates any metric that includes that. No rational person could watch those two films next to eachother and think TPM is better. TPM is cinematic garbage.

It's cinema score (which is far more accurate and not able to be trolled) is an A.

TPM is garbage, and that's it. TLJ in a tl;dr equals to "fuck you, and fuck your OT" (or, how some people poorly defend the movie, "let go of the past"). You could see how when put in context, the latter is much worse. The OT is what made people keep coming to SW after 3 terrible movies in a row. Shitting on the OT is what detonated the bomb.
 
Did you watch TLJ? It's not a rehash and it is a good film. The idea that Disney pressures all reviewers is frankly ridiculous.

The fact that it's viewer reviewed lower than tPM invalidates any metric that includes that. No rational person could watch those two films next to eachother and think TPM is better. TPM is cinematic garbage.

It's cinema score (which is far more accurate and not able to be trolled) is an A.

TLJ absolutely was a rehash. It was a reverse ESB with bits of RotJ thrown in. TPM was a better film than TLJ. TPM had a couple bad ideas and some annoying characters, but at least it was doing something new and the plot made more sense. It's only major betrayal to Star Wars lore was midichlorians. TLJ not only completely betrayed just about every plot point from TFA, but also portrayed both Luke and Yoda out of character and weaponized hyper-space which is basically this movie's midichlorian fuck up. Porgs are just about as bad as every stupid Jar Jar moment in TPM. I think the only other Star Wars film that was worse than TLJ was AotC.
 
If Johnson just starts pandering and isn't creative THAT would be a huge problem and that is probably why TLJ reviewed so well and received some backlash from a minority of fans..

The fundamental problem with this statement is you can't seem to comprehend that it's entirely possible to transition to a new stage without riding roughshod over the past wholesale which Johnson has quite clearly done.

In truth, Disney shot themselves in the foot creatively when they opted to rehash the past by invalidating the defeat of the Empire in RoTJ, simply because they wanted to lazily leverage classic SW iconography people were familiar with (Stormtroopers, Tie fighters, AT-ATs....), versus you know actually put some proper creative effort in to truly envisage a post Empire SW universe 30 years on, and come up with a new threat to the galaxy. Instead, it's as if nothing of significance happened. Despite the defeat of the Empires finest at Endor and the death of the actual Emperor himself, seemingly the rebellion never amounted to anything and the Empire (oh I mean the First Order) apparently resumed control. Han, Luke, Leia & Lando (some of us remember) instead of being galactic heroes either end up being put back into familiar roles (Han & Leia) or recast (Luke into the anti-Ben Kenobi) or simply omitted (Lando who?). There's nothing bold about what either Abrams or Johnson have done.
 
I have been a Star Wars fan since I was a kid in the 80's and I have read most of the old EU and all the new books and comics. I really liked this film and I don't get people who say it destroys canon or characters. It is fine and in keeping of the Star Wars universe in my judgement.
 
Because they're dealing with an event film.
You're talking about a pattern that is very outdated, where blockbusters and series at their current form are much different to how movies were handled in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I've even seen people mention 00 movies as being different from the current flock.
People of today aren't going to act different just because it's an older series.
You're just making these rules up just to defend this movie, just like people saying it could be series fatigue.
And even still, Jedi was the #1 domestic release of the year. We're talking about the franchise slowing down when it was the top grossing film of the year. These films operate at a different level than a Guardians of the Galaxy or a Deadpool. Where those caught an audience and had room to expand for the next entry, Force Awakens was already at the top. It's the highest grossing (domestic) film of all time. That's the ceiling right now.
#1 movie on a slow year, where the GotG sequel made more money than the first one and Logan did more money than the first two Wolverine movies.
These movies did well because good word of mouth.
What will happen with Star Wars if it starts getting bad word of mouth? It already started with Awakens and grew significantly from way more criticism with Last Jedi. They're already doing damage control with Solo.

So how will the "Star Wars Event" be like in the future if it's becoming known for being trash? You talk about that built in fanbase, but that fanbase is souring up, where even the hardcore aren't able to stomach it anymore.
Will it be like Marvel comics, where only the casuals defend everything that's going on, making it seem like they're doing great because of their prevalence on social media, while the hardcore are dropping it leading to sales significantly dipping, angering comic shops, and Marvel trying to hide that dip by inflating prices?

The toy sales are up. The movie ticket sales are flat to a bit down from TFA which was the first Star Wars movie in forever so ofcourse it was huge.
Toy sales are up (read: what toy manufacturers sold to retail), but you have to remember that these stores are ordering merchandise that may or may not sell based on the staying power of the movie. The Force Awakens toys harmed sales for Rogue One because TFA toys were shelfwarming on the shelves by a huge swath. So stores couldn't order as much as they could because there was already a lot Star Wars toys from the previous year on the pegs. TFA toys were all put on clearance months before Rogue One toys came out, yet there were dozens and dozens of the same figures and vehicles sitting when Star Wars Day hit.
TFA sales were so bad for retailers, that these same clearanced toys are still on the shelves today in toy stores, but not in as huge numbers as they were last year, hence TLJ getting such a huge push in sales.

So how are TLJ sales in retailer stores doing? Anecdotally, all the toys are easy to find in my area and that isn't a good thing. Popular toys sell out, regardless of how many are ordered.

So there you go, it doesn't matter how much things sell today. What matters most is staying power. TLJ opened big, so big that bad word of mouth really didn't affect its ability to cross over a billion dollars in movie tickets. But that word of mouth did have an effect on its staying power.
Staying power ensures toy sales, as they should be selling well throughout the year at retail, not manufacturer orders.
Staying power, or whatever the correct term for this, is what drives all future sales. TFA did not have staying power, which affected toy sales and maybe movie sales. We'll see what TLJ staying power is like.
 
No way, I've been assured by innumerable media outlets today (VoX, EW and Polygon to name a few) that the backlash against TLJ is merely a result of a few disgruntled misogynistic man-babies on the internet who don't understand subtext, and that all is right in the universe.

Lulz good one.

Every rant about how good this movie is has a minimum of 5 paragraphs. I mean, you can enjoy a movie, but to actively invalidate all criticism is... Disturbing.
 
Lulz good one.

Every rant about how good this movie is has a minimum of 5 paragraphs. I mean, you can enjoy a movie, but to actively invalidate all criticism is... Disturbing.

That is social media now. If you do not share my opinion you are [insert X] and sites like polygon, Kotaku, EW, vox, vice and so on work like social media.

And this is not the first movie something like that happened. Rember Scarface, sorry remember Ghostbusters?
 
It seems what people here are forgetting is that profits and ticket sales don't necessarily equate to quality. Transformers was a popular franchise, it made tons of cash, and were rather bad movies by absolute standards. The series sold itself as summer actions flicks with great action and special effects; a kind braindead way to kill an evening that everyone can agree on. Not many people will remember the movie 30 years from now or discuss their cultural impact though.

This is where Star Wars is heading: Summer Flicks that attract a decent audience and make a good buck, but aren't particularly memorable or good. You can be a nihilist and say "Whatever makes cash!" But nobody wants to debate that, nor will it stop people from being upset.

As a final comment to drive my point home: Mc Donalds. Mc Donalds produces some of the most widely consumed food on the planet, racking in $35 Billion in early sales in the US alone, and has 30,000 restaurants open. If sales were the one and only indicator of quality, you'd expect that they'd serve the best food on the entire planet. Obviously, their food isn't that good; sales are driven by more than raw quality.
 
You're talking about a pattern that is very outdated, where blockbusters and series at their current form are much different to how movies were handled in the 70s, 80s, and 90s. I've even seen people mention 00 movies as being different from the current flock.
People of today aren't going to act different just because it's an older series.
You're just making these rules up just to defend this movie, just like people saying it could be series fatigue.

#1 movie on a slow year, where the GotG sequel made more money than the first one and Logan did more money than the first two Wolverine movies.
These movies did well because good word of mouth.
What will happen with Star Wars if it starts getting bad word of mouth? It already started with Awakens and grew significantly from way more criticism with Last Jedi. They're already doing damage control with Solo.

So how will the "Star Wars Event" be like in the future if it's becoming known for being trash? You talk about that built in fanbase, but that fanbase is souring up, where even the hardcore aren't able to stomach it anymore.
Will it be like Marvel comics, where only the casuals defend everything that's going on, making it seem like they're doing great because of their prevalence on social media, while the hardcore are dropping it leading to sales significantly dipping, angering comic shops, and Marvel trying to hide that dip by inflating prices?

Slow year in what sense, provide numbers. What damage control? Show a press release of this damage control. What bad word of mouth with Force Awakens? If that was the case, then The Last Jedi should've had a muted opening. It's a slow year, according to you, and yet there was franchise growth with two examples you used and the domestic box office was over $11B. Sounds like an okay year to me...

You keep saying things but you're not providing evidence. I see a lot of what ifs and opinions, but no facts. I don't care how anybody feels one way or the other, we're talking about what's actually happening with the box office numbers.

What does the future hold if the movies are "trash?" Probably won't matter. People kept coming back for the prequels and those were awful up and down. And yeah, I'm saying that the United States' relationship with Star Wars is different than any other movie franchise. If an Episode 9 has a very soft opening, then yeah, I'd attribute that to discontent with the previous film OR the yearly model taking away some of the event allure, or a combo of both. But I don't live in the future, so I'm looking at what is happening and what has happened.
 
About 49% of people didn't like TLJ according to RT, so I would say that's more than a small minority of fans. It's the worst reviewed Star Wars film by fans, even lower than Phantom Menace.

At least the PM was worth watching and I didn't feel like wasting my time.

Rogue one remains the better movie. Just saw it again last night.
 
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