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Forbes: Jack Tretton on the PS4
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That's right. Aside from the controller, they didn't even show any actual hardware. Just a spec sheet.
Clinton514
Member
Slick Mr. Tretton, slick indeed.
Lovegooder
Banned
And you know this how exactly?
of course not. everyone was too busy writing snarky comments on GAF/Twitter/Facebook/etc...
Joel Was Right
If you smell burning, it's probably the generators acting up. Report it anyway.
The event also talked a lot about the PlayStation 4′s cloud services downloading back catalog games, playing them from the cloud, sharing games between devices, even having friends log in and watch you play, or take over the controller. Is that out of the box? And will all those services be tucked behind PlayStation Plus, where users have to pay for them?
I think its aspirational on the device, as opposed to us standing up there, pounding the floor and saying the day this thing ships all this stuff will be there. I think itll absolutely be there for the device, but I dont know whether it will be there for day one on the device. I think a lot of these are things that were gonna do over time. And with that said, I think there will be a tangible example of all the things that we showed. Its just a question of how deep it will go, how many games it will involve.
I think its aspirational on the device, as opposed to us standing up there, pounding the floor and saying the day this thing ships all this stuff will be there. I think itll absolutely be there for the device, but I dont know whether it will be there for day one on the device. I think a lot of these are things that were gonna do over time. And with that said, I think there will be a tangible example of all the things that we showed. Its just a question of how deep it will go, how many games it will involve.
Ugh. I almost forgot about Sony's Home presentation; it never came to fruition. The above quote is troubling
I think that'll be there from the off. It's kind of there already in Vita. The only bit missing on Vita is background firmware installation - but app and game patches and other things download and install automatically*. And in PS4 they've put hardware in specifically to facilitate this while in the low power state, so it would be weird to go to all that effort without having the software ready in tandem.
* I should say, if you have Plus they do.
jordan0386
Member
Nobody is paying 59.99 for a mobile game, so I never saw the point in calling it direct competition.
bigboss370
Member
Jack Tretton said:
music to my ears.
Form > function in your eyes then? A black plastic box has nothing to do with anything. I don't know why people keep saying the form factor would've made the event a much bigger deal.
Gamasutra said it best:
Source: Gamasutra.com
I honestly don't know why Gamasutra is so overlooked on Neogaf and people spout the crap that comes from Kotaku (and others of its ilk) ad nauseum.
If you look at the meeting as something for developers it was a resounding success. If you look at it from enthusiast press angle, it doesn't get you as many hits as you would like so it wasn't that great. If you look at it from a gamer's angle, if you weren't optimistic about the new machines going forward, I honestly don't know what to say.
With that being said, I really liked this Forbes interview. It's sad that more people didn't actually interview big names there and instead just post silly opinions on their blog sites.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Shocking news, a console is going to be released with incomplete features, news at 10.
That's nothing new, and that's how gaming is. We have firmware updates now, so if something doesn't make it in on launch day, they can have an update a few months down the line (like Nintendo did with TVii).
As long as the core features of the console is there, playing games, I'm cool with them upgrading the software down the line.
Excellent point. Cerny reiterated this point over and over again.
Agreed. But the glaring assumption that many people make using this logic is that 'hardcore' will constitute the same thing tomorrow as it does today. And that's a mistake. The perception of 'hardcore' has changed dramatically throughout the years, from behaviors to the sort of tiles 'hardcores' focus on.
EDIT: Also, people have this assumption that their journey as a gamer - the progression from when they first began, through stepping stone genres and franchises, until finally reaching where they currently are - is the natural one. That anyone who hasn't followed the same path or reached the same point is less mature or even childish, or is trapped in views from the past that are no longer valid.
And that's idiotic. Everyone's journey started somewhere different; the stepping stones were distinct; and where each ends up will be somewhat or even dramatically different as well.
For example, you may have started out as a casual gamer and eventually found your way to being a fan of Nintendo or Uncharted or WRPGs. But that doesn't mean those are natural destinations for casual gamers today.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
You're comparing the largest iOS game to a game that hasn't even been released released yet. That 15m/mo in revenue sounds like a lot, but when you compare it to COD, it pails in comparison. Black Ops II made a billion in revenue in 2 weeks. MW3 did that same. That 180m Supercell made in a year is a rounding error to someone like activision.
Your posts are consistently amusing. And what hyping are you talking about? Three YouTube videos, some tweets and one bought of proper advertising on a football match banner? That's hardly Sony hyping it to be an Apple event.
Most reasonable people expected a teaser. We got more than that. And like 99% of people in the Playstation Meeting thread predicted, the price nor release date were mentioned.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
Sony didn't hype it up. Gaf and the press did.
Makes sense.
None of us suddenly woke up one day and declare 'Oh my god from this day onward I will be a core gamer'. All of us started as a casual gamer.
For myself, I started playing game with contra. (Yes, it's not really that casual by any means but yeah) =D
Let's face it. he's not really a good presenter.
None of us suddenly woke up one day and declare 'Oh my god from this day onward I will be a core gamer'. All of us started as a casual gamer.
For myself, I started playing game with contra. (Yes, it's not really that casual by any means but yeah) =D
Let's face it. he's not really a good presenter.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
People were busy posting kaz gif's to watch the event. I watched the Cerny presentation again, and as aristotle pointed it, it pretty much was a conference for developers. Why else would they show tech demos with millions of particles. The core and casual crowd really couldn't care about any of that. They just wannna see how good the games will look on the new system, when it's coming out, and how much it would cost.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Why? Why would I be a 15 year console gamer, just to only game on a tablet or smart phone?
So bad news for Vita/3DS, but that has nothing to do with what consumers want to do in front of their tv on a couch. None of those people would have been playing PS2 on the Subway on their way to work.
I fail to understand why people think your Average Joe playing Temple Run is going to hurt the PS4, that logic makes no sense whatsoever.
Mobile Gamers are a potential source of revenue for Sony, and they should embrace this. Sounds like they kind of are, which is good.
Since they are embracing F2P and Freemium games more publicly this time around with the PS4, no reason something like this shouldn't happen: Buy Temple Run 2 on the PS4, and you can play it, but you can also access it on your Android device or iOS device (or even Windows Phone 8 Device!) when you're away from home and play it, and earn PSN trophies and go on the PSN Leaderboard or what not.
This is on top of the usual PS4 games.
I imagine that Microsoft will do something similar, since "Xbox Live" is going across all 3 platforms (Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, and NextBox)
Now of course, Temple Run 2 already exists, but I'm just using that as an example.
Since they are embracing F2P and Freemium games more publicly this time around with the PS4, no reason something like this shouldn't happen: Buy Temple Run 2 on the PS4, and you can play it, but you can also access it on your Android device or iOS device (or even Windows Phone 8 Device!) when you're away from home and play it, and earn PSN trophies and go on the PSN Leaderboard or what not.
This is on top of the usual PS4 games.
I imagine that Microsoft will do something similar, since "Xbox Live" is going across all 3 platforms (Windows 8, Windows Phone 8, and NextBox)
Now of course, Temple Run 2 already exists, but I'm just using that as an example.
Well, quite aside from anything like that, this was a global event, not a SCEA event. They chose to do it in NY, but that was it. Tretton is a regional head, the right people did the presenting.
Reduced time for gaming due to work/family/other, perhaps?
Spec sheets are far more important then the look of the hardware.
la flama blanca
Banned
LOL at you sir. LOL at you.
Lol at you too. He is participating in an interview, not a televised commercial.
Ubisoft sold 12 million copies of Assassin's Creed 3 already, despite it been one of the buggiest games in recent memory. You can see why they're investing in Watch Dogs instead of iOS games.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/ass...2-million-as-ubisoft-posts-bumper-financials/
They showed a few youtube videos, tweets, and a ad for a football game. If anything we got more then we thought if look at past Playstation meetings besides the actual hardware.
Mr.Squirrel
Tom
I expected to see the controller and the console, and some trailers. That's it. I didn't expect them to discuss the architecture, Gaikai integration, or some of the social features. I assumed that'd be saved for e3. I left shocked that they even gave a release date to be honest.
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
It's an industry trend. But if you're right then console gaming must be on an upward trend, since developers are at peak comfort with this gen's technology and the most visually stunning games of the generation are currently getting produced, right?
No huge gutting of studios? Healthy sales of consoles and games?
I'm not saying Temple Run itself is going to hurt the PS4. I'm saying it represents a trend that didn't exist at the start of last gen that Sony did not address sufficiently in this presentation. It focused on horsepower, and there is tangible evidence that the consumer at large is less concerned with higher fidelity game experiences pushed to the max.
mugoldeneagle03
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I really don't understand the backlash on the mobile games comment. He's spot on about the content (Uncharted vs App) & with the PS4/Gaiki/Vita streaming it's just as good of an option with better content - for the gamer.
Obviously size and 99 cent apps are a little more portable/quicker to play, not to mention having all of that on your phone, so there are obvious attractions to both sides, but it's Sony's way of competing in that area
Obviously size and 99 cent apps are a little more portable/quicker to play, not to mention having all of that on your phone, so there are obvious attractions to both sides, but it's Sony's way of competing in that area
Think he probably means in the long term, at the end of the day. I also doubt it, but if it were proven otherwise, I wouldn't exactly be surprised, either. Gaming is becoming a bigger mainstream/accepted thing, so no matter where it is creates more gamers, that's still more gamers. There's always that chance of someone who came in one way eventually discovering and then getting off on something else entirely. Think he sees it as a sort of long term gate way drug.
Interesting notion but without evidence to back it up it's just that.
Don't be silly. It's a cyclical industry, and we're at the tail end of the cycle. If the PS4 and 720 don't sell well then you can start arguing it's because of Temple Run.
yeah this isn't really thought out
Did you stop using safari and all the other apps? does touch not work well in the OS ?
I feel like people are still coming to grips with touch controls and still have a lot of room to grow
if the ds can provide such a substantial experience and quality of games with one single input then why can't we do it with multitouch?
were just now seeing the emergence of standardized assumed touch controls that genuinely work(temple run is a gold example)
not saying the games are great but I am saying they are getting better and if touch controls work so fantastically in the OS then those conventions should and will be translate into gaming
but that's just me
shinobi602
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I completely agree that it's complementary, as Jack said it's additive. I still play games on my iPad and phone sometimes, but no way in hell will I switch over to them as the bullshit media tends to constantly claim.
Jasper Avenue
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I'm really looking forward to seeing how the PS3 sells once they drop the price. The PS2 was a monster when it hit $199 and that was 10 years ago.