Wiktor
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That depends. I've found metro to be much easier to teach to older people than desktop. THe problems happen when a person already knows desktop.
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[Forbes]: What Windows 9 Must Do To Avoid Flopping Like Windows 8
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That depends. I've found metro to be much easier to teach to older people than desktop. THe problems happen when a person already knows desktop.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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W8 was nothing but a solution in search of problem.
Wiktor
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Vista was out three years after 7. THe time between 8 and 9 looks to be two years. Not that much shorter, especially considering how much faster the whole market is moving these days.
Yeah. They really need to do that. Position it as a huge new OS, that is then graciously given out for free
It feels good to know that i'm not a crazy person for having criticisms of the whole split personality windows 8 UI back when they first showed it off years ago.
All that BS that MS presenters said about "no compromise". All design is compromise. MS chose to compromise on aspects of windows that made this update a non starter for too many people. Hopefully windows 9 puts them back on a more sensible track.
All that BS that MS presenters said about "no compromise". All design is compromise. MS chose to compromise on aspects of windows that made this update a non starter for too many people. Hopefully windows 9 puts them back on a more sensible track.
Microsoft's push was clearly towards the Modern UI, unified PC/Tablet/Phone apps. Desktop mode was simply a stop-gap to ensure legacy applications and backwards compatibility. All of Microsoft's messaging and developer effort was directed towards pushing the idea of Modern UI. If you lack the minimum amount of thought to understand the writing on the wall and Microsoft's mid and long term strategy, it's your problem not mine.
This discussion, from its beginning made me realize how people who actually try to engage with Nintendo fanboys must feel.
Wiktor
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Honestly, what I want to see is Microsoft using the damn money to make hardcore PC games again. Stick to stuff that doens't work on Xbox if you have to, make it W8/9 only if it's necessary to justify the expense. Just go back to
In their best years Microsoft Game Studio's output made Valve look like utter joke. It's heartbreaking to see what it has been reduced to. Sony is better pc publisher than MS right now and that's just downright pathetic.
In their best years Microsoft Game Studio's output made Valve look like utter joke. It's heartbreaking to see what it has been reduced to. Sony is better pc publisher than MS right now and that's just downright pathetic.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Some legit suggestions in that article.
I'd like to see the traditional desktop done away with completely. Like they said, it's a jarring mix between old school and new. Just refine metro. I love it.
I'd like to see the traditional desktop done away with completely. Like they said, it's a jarring mix between old school and new. Just refine metro. I love it.
Xisiqomelir
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I think the keyword is "store." You don't buy anything from a repo.
I screwed up the quote, here's the whole thing:
I guess I'm just flabbergasted that somone would consider package management, a feature of Linux distros and BSD ports from the 1990s, some sort of breakthrough innovation that only happened in the last 5 years.
Here is the new Linux user version:
I'd say it's pretty easy.
The Cowboy
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My solution.
Keep everything as it is now and simply put in a few options at 1st start up of a new user account giving users the choice.to boot to desktop or metro, use the new style start menu or original start button and have metro apps run full screen or windowed. Basically they add Start8 and Modern Mix as selectable options during the 1st run of a new user account.
Done.
You give people like me who love 8/8.1 the ability to keep what we have now, and you give the people who love Windows 7 what they want with all the performance improvements of Windows 8/8.1 - basically they do what they did with Windows 7 after Vista (pretty much release the same OS with a few adjustments and a name change).
Edit.
Pretty much what ksdixon said.
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MS really don't need to do a very big over hall as the OS is sound, it just has a very marmite interface at the front of it that would be better with options to use it or the old interface, both sides get what they want and MS gets all the money.
Keep everything as it is now and simply put in a few options at 1st start up of a new user account giving users the choice.to boot to desktop or metro, use the new style start menu or original start button and have metro apps run full screen or windowed. Basically they add Start8 and Modern Mix as selectable options during the 1st run of a new user account.
Done.
You give people like me who love 8/8.1 the ability to keep what we have now, and you give the people who love Windows 7 what they want with all the performance improvements of Windows 8/8.1 - basically they do what they did with Windows 7 after Vista (pretty much release the same OS with a few adjustments and a name change).
Edit.
Pretty much what ksdixon said.
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MS really don't need to do a very big over hall as the OS is sound, it just has a very marmite interface at the front of it that would be better with options to use it or the old interface, both sides get what they want and MS gets all the money.
RoyalLaFlame
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In my opinion there's nothing wrong with Windows 8. Clean design, really easy to use, faster and I can do pretty much everything I want.
I love it and is the best Windows I've ever used.
I love it and is the best Windows I've ever used.
Metro is secondary, I see it for literally less than a minute a day and only use it like I used the Start menu in Windows 7, to do a quick search or open a utility program I don't have pinned to my desktop. The ignorant comments about Windows 8 are laughable at this point, but keep trying.
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Metro is primary for me. It's my main tool for launching and managing all of my workflow. I treat as if it were actually the desktop and ignore the outdated desktop beneath it. Though I feel like I've said this in 900 Win8 threads in the last few weeks.
Therein lies the beauty of Windows 8. It is by far the most full featured Windows to date and can cater to any taste. It's an enhanced version of Windows 7 with its own separate ecosystem for anyone to use if they want to. It also helps bridge the gap between Phone/Tablet/PC which are all 3 personal computing devices where fragmentation is keeping them all from reaching perfection.
DeSo
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Whenever I searched for something in Win8 it never found it until I "completed" the search. Also it relies too much on keyboard shortcuts. I hate keyboard shortcuts, thats why I have a mouse. to point at things. "lol but you have windows key!" yeah, its one button, not a combination of two.
Looks delicious.
Also, I'd like to say that I've tried out touch screen computers with Windows 8, and I didn't like it. I don't like the feeling of controlling something like windows with my fingers, feels unorthodox.
My Boss/Mother both recently got new pcs with windows 8 on them.
After finally learning xp/7 ways to use a computer they are so frustrated with 8 that they both basically exclusively use non windows devices that are older/less powerful. Mom uses an old IPAD 1 over her 6 month old 1000$ laptop, my Boss uses an old chromebook his son gave him after his old personal laptop got so fucked from toolbars/malware/viruses (likely from porn sites/game download shit) over a pretty new desktop he bought for the office.
Personally recently got an asus windows 8 tablet/laptop. I LOVE the hardware, but if it wasn't for steam games and some audio editing software I would GLADLY just put chrome OS on this thing instead.
After finally learning xp/7 ways to use a computer they are so frustrated with 8 that they both basically exclusively use non windows devices that are older/less powerful. Mom uses an old IPAD 1 over her 6 month old 1000$ laptop, my Boss uses an old chromebook his son gave him after his old personal laptop got so fucked from toolbars/malware/viruses (likely from porn sites/game download shit) over a pretty new desktop he bought for the office.
Personally recently got an asus windows 8 tablet/laptop. I LOVE the hardware, but if it wasn't for steam games and some audio editing software I would GLADLY just put chrome OS on this thing instead.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Older people have such a hard time adjusting to anything. It's pretty funny to experience. It's almost like they panic.
Wiktor
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So, they didn't want to learn a bit of new interface, so they are using devices with completely different interfaces than Windows 7. I know it propably makes sense to them somehow, but still...lol
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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So rather than spending a half an hour learning how to use the new tool, they intentionally handicap themselves.
I'll never understand the aversion to learning that seems to be preeminent among most people.
The Start Screen in a rectangle is a step back, not forward. The Start Screen gives you more real-estate for search results and pinned application sorting.
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It's not even an old person thing. There are people here who suffered complete paralysis from the start menu thing. It's insane.
WanderingWind
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I just want them to find whoever decided the native PDF reader and calculator programs needed to run in full screen mode and then fire that person.
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You can resize it. I always have it running on the side as my third or fourth window open.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
I realized that after the first startup, but seeing a calculator and then PDF open up into full screen madness made me wonder how much this had been tested in the real world.
Win 8 definitely took some getting used to and I'm mostly over my hatred of it, but let's not act like it doesn't have design decisions that didn't make a whole lot of sense. Turning off hot corners and downloading the usual suite of third-party programs to replace things like Reader, the fixes in 8.1 and the basically forgetting the app store exists makes the OS just as good as Win 7.
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Except everyone agrees even barebones it's better than 7. And who the heck uses native os apps (minus tiny shit like calc) for anything, especially in a desktop setting?
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
...everybody agrees that Win 8 is better than Win 7? Come on.
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Even barebones, meaning just the desktop experience minus any of the additions.
Dreams-Visions
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Eh, it's really nice under the hood but I can't say it's a meaningful upgrade over 7 in many ways. It is an upgrade and I would upgrade again if I were on 7, but I don't know if I could say or recommend the same for most users.
I wish I could disable the hot corners on the Ideapad I got my father for Christmas. Swipes on the touchpad unwantedly pop out the charms bar and switch apps constantly. *Constantly*. It's a step up from the 2005 Centrino laptop he had been using up until now to be sure, but these little things just make the experience so annoying.
PetriP-TNT
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Win8.1 lets you disable hot corners.
Ephemeris
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The way you word "Even barebones" implies you meant everyone agrees Metro and barebones Win8 is better than 7.
I'd just say "Under the hood"/Barebones 8 is much better than 7. I love the non-metro features they've added.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
So, if you strip out everything that comes with it, it becomes usable. Like I said earlier.
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No lol.. the os is quicker and sleeker when it comes to preexisting features compared to 7. The new stuff is just an added bonus that makes it a godlike workhorse os.
the creator of this is actually in talks with MS now so it could be possible that this is what windows 9 may look like
he also made videos of the transition effect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ee1YUB4tFYc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ8ilQbc6EU
and made a redesign of the steam client
either MS or Valve needs to hire this guy
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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I hope so. It seems like the perfect solution.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ah. To be fair, your post was worded pretty oddly. But, I don't know enough to make a comparison on anything besides photo editing and basic word editing on both. There doesn't seem to be any functional difference, though Win 8 crashes on me quite constantly. I know that's likely not the fault of the OS necessarily, but I've seen the BSoD roughly 60 times on my Win 8 machine and like, twice on my older desktop with 7.
I like Win 8 just fine, but again, I don't see how things like full screen native apps and hot corners and the swipe in on laptops not able to be disabled can really be defended.
Random Painted HIghway
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I used 8 Enterprise for about the last 7 months and moved to 8.1 Pro two days ago (my vendor didn't have it online until a couple weeks ago). I have machines currently running XP (at work) a vista laptop and a 7 laptop at home. My first PC was a windows 3.1 but I tooled around on earlier iterations, 3.0, one of the 2s and a few versions of DOS.
I'm probably never going to understand the outrage about Windows 8, I just don't see it, but then again I waited a while after release (mainly due to getting a new pc at home) before trying it out. I actually like the Start screen and tiles. I know one complaint is that there are two OS's mashed together with one intended for touch, but it takes literally one click to get to a desktop. And two OS's mashed together? Who doesn't remember being able to use the Windows GUI to play one game then having to jump into DOS to play a different game? That is two different systems with different rules and languages. The bottom line for me is that this thing is rock solid for me, certainly far superior to Vista, ME, XP release. Windows 7 I don't have a tremendous amount of experience with, it was never my primary device.
I'm probably never going to understand the outrage about Windows 8, I just don't see it, but then again I waited a while after release (mainly due to getting a new pc at home) before trying it out. I actually like the Start screen and tiles. I know one complaint is that there are two OS's mashed together with one intended for touch, but it takes literally one click to get to a desktop. And two OS's mashed together? Who doesn't remember being able to use the Windows GUI to play one game then having to jump into DOS to play a different game? That is two different systems with different rules and languages. The bottom line for me is that this thing is rock solid for me, certainly far superior to Vista, ME, XP release. Windows 7 I don't have a tremendous amount of experience with, it was never my primary device.
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For my workload and our office suite, along with hybrid machines, it's a totally different experience. I realize that's a niche inside a niche, but there are already so many browse facebook/watch youtube options out there. Let MS innovate and try new things.
The problem is Microsoft thinking tablets and desktops/laptops are the same. They're not and certain "analysts" should accept the two platforms have different user requirements. Windows users like the freedoms and openness of the operating system, something lacking on ARM based systems. And what exactly is the problem now with keyboard and mice?
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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Can't you upgrade to 8.1? You can disable swipe and hot corners. Right click on taskbar, properties, navigation.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Yeah, talking launch. As I said, once you disable those things Win 8(.1 to be exact) is just fine.
Well, except swipe. That is one annoyance I have yet to figure out how to disable. There is regedit I haven't gotten around to trying. Anybody knows how to kill that, I'll mail them a cookie.
Bulbo Urethral Baggins
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What kind of cookie are we talkin about? Give some incentive man.
WanderingWind
Mecklemore Is My Favorite Wrapper
Ummm. Leberkuchen?
The Cowboy
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Man that is glorious, I know he/she wants MS to do it, but I'd be happy if Stardock ripped it off/bought the design off him/her and made it as a 3rd party setup ala Start8.
It looks fantastic.
Also, Valve should indeed hire this person/someone to redo/update the Steam client.
Uh no for people like me who do work on our computers, metro should be kept for simple apps like songza and news readers.
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Formerly worldrevolution. The only reason I am nice to anyone else is to avoid being banned.
I assume he means making metro the native environment for all of our desktop apps. I agree with that sentiment. I launch desktop programs too of course but I just snap them to either side and treat it like another window. I don't actually use the desktop.
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