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Former Steam boss Jason Holtman lands at Microsoft | Update: Left Microsoft.
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BrokenSymmetry
Member
GFWL 2 incoming? Or does gaming in the Windows desktop environment not exist anymore for Microsoft?
I kind of doubt that MS would agree with it if he proposed such a thing though.
Visualante2
Member
Heard this PC gaming narrative before from Microsoft. I trust Hotlman can do great things but I will always question Microsoft's long term vision after Games for Windows initiative wilted in particular the Live service. They basically bull dozed everything because the corporate structure was so focused on Xbox.
This PC initiative needs to not be accountable to the Xbox people for it to succeed.
This PC initiative needs to not be accountable to the Xbox people for it to succeed.
SwiftDeath
Member
Probably would've been a much greater pickup prior to the X1's reversals but will certainly help now too
statham
Member
Why? They've been dabbling with that kind of discounting for a while now.
alexandros
Banned
No, this time I actually believe it. Unfortunately the catch is that they're most likely talking about Metro, not the Windows desktop.
Pound_lb003
Member
Someone needs to help get the Windows store to a safe place.
la flama blanca
Banned
Dude must be getting fucking PAID.
Nice, I hope it happens.
Triggerhappytel
Member
They'll probably rename and relaunch it. GFWL seems to have pretty much universal hate in the PC sector.
Yeah . but not to the same extent as steam sales go (-50% -75% etc)
I could be wrong though .
Visualante2
Member
And what happens when they move on from Metro? Is that really the new paradigm in computing for the next 20 years?
Miles Quaritch
Member
You are wrong.
This means nothing.
People still want to give MS the benefit of the doubt? The hell out of here.
One guy isn't going to change things, when a companies entire philosophy is the reverse. MS will throw PC Gamers under the bus, if it helps the XBONE. This is the company that wants to put ads in OS search results.
Nothing will change, except maybe another go-around of the hell that is GFWL. I don't want anymore.
People still want to give MS the benefit of the doubt? The hell out of here.
One guy isn't going to change things, when a companies entire philosophy is the reverse. MS will throw PC Gamers under the bus, if it helps the XBONE. This is the company that wants to put ads in OS search results.
Nothing will change, except maybe another go-around of the hell that is GFWL. I don't want anymore.
alexandros
Banned
I don't know. What I do know is that people who have been reporting everything about Microsoft for many years, like Paul Thurrott and Mary Jo Foley, have stated multiple times that Microsoft wants the desktop to go away. Maybe they're wrong, but it still worries me.
Iced_Eagle
Member
They've had at least two great sales this year with a bunch of games as cheap as they've ever been on Steam, and there was some DLC cheaper than Steam too. Look up the GAF threads on the ultimate game sale.
Nealand Liquor
Member
MS already has two annual sales on xbl that rival Steam's Summer/Winter sales.
Do those sales also include recently released titles or only older titles ?
just curious.
IlludiumQ36
Member
Moral Panic
Member
I expect him to leave in 1-2 years after realising that he can't get anything significant done. IMO if Microsoft was malleable by a single good employee then they wouldn't be making misstep after misstep.
Xbox for Windows Live.
Mass Effect
Member
Not necessarily. The prices are fairly close (though still aren't as good), however the Xbox sales aren't NEARLY as extensive in selection as the big Steam sales.
When Steam has a big sale, almost the entire catalogue goes on sale. Literally hundreds (thousands?) of games, with even deeper discounts with the special sales. With XBL, what they feature on sale is it, and nothing more.
But still, Live's sales have been much better in the past year or so.
MagicWithEarvin
Member
Why. The xbox one is windows. Ms has no reason now to keep them seperate. It will enhance sales if the connect the 2
Vestal
Junior Member
I think you mean stay out of Game distribution.. Even then it doesn't hurt to have options as a consumer.
You don't want them out of PC Gaming. Were are you going to play your games if its not on Window? Linux?!?! LOL.
Windows 7 seems to work just fine, why do i need to change? They aren't in the the PC gaming space to begin with, xbox is their baby now. They just need to stay out of the way and let valve continue to run the platform.
I don't see the issue given they've already done 3 of them.
Dictator93
Member
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
perryfarrell
Member
Better drop the GFWL label, as that is pretty toxic in people's minds. There's lots of damage to undo, before PC gamers are willing to give MS another shot again.
Given how clueless MS seemed with the Xbone launch, I would not all of a sudden expect them to be any less out of touch when it comes to PC gaming.
Given how clueless MS seemed with the Xbone launch, I would not all of a sudden expect them to be any less out of touch when it comes to PC gaming.
It's basically really buggy and obtuse/slow to use, it's not uncommon for saves to get deleted randomly. It's like Microsoft made an attempt to be a significant presence in the PC gaming market in 2006, but when people didn't buy into their online gaming subscription they sucked all funding from it and it's been wallowing in its mediocrity ever since. It's like if Valve had barely Steam for 6 years.
It's also not available in some European countries, meaning GFWL games can't be sold there.
Statistics I'd assume, apparently the amount of people buying Steam games at full-price is increasing despite the sales.