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[jett]

Dear god here is a survivor's account of one of the Zeta's larger massacres.


The people running these cartels are pure evil. They need to be Bin Laden'd....

What the fuck man. :/ How can something like this be allowed to happen.

 

[SyNapSe]

The sad part is that this is never going to die down unless illegal drug consumption goes down, which will not happen.

The sad part is that no matter how awful this is it's far worse in other parts of the world. There are literally countries that have halved their homicide rates and are still above Mexico.
Mexico's violence is exploding though. Hopefully things can get turned around soon.

 

[SirChained]

The sad part is that no matter how awful this is it's far worse in other parts of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Idk about that mang.

 

[Regulus Tera]

The sad part is that no matter how awful this is it's far worse in other parts of the world. There are literally countries that have halved their homicide rates and are still above Mexico.
Mexico's violence is exploding though. Hopefully things can get turned around soon.

Not once did I imply Mexico's situation was the end-all of violence outbursts in the world. I know shit is even more messed up in other places.

 

[SyNapSe]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Idk about that mang.

I think that pretty much plays out what I said... or am I misunderstanding. That has countries with a 70-80 HPC rate and Mexico with a 15 HPC rate. Mexico has shot up a lot recently though as I mentioned.

 

[SirChained]

I think that pretty much plays out what I said... or am I misunderstanding. That has countries with a 70-80 HPC rate and Mexico with a 15 HPC rate. Mexico has shot up a lot recently though as I mentioned.

Check the subdivisions of Mexico. One state is as high as 111. Plus, El Salvador and Honduras are at the top of the list. They're pretty much an extension of what's going on in Mexico.

 

[SyNapSe]

Not once did I imply Mexico's situation was the end-all of violence outbursts in the world. I know shit is even more messed up in other places.

I'm pretty sure my statement never implied that you made that assertion. I was just trying to add context to the topic. Sorry, I guess.

 

[SUPREME1]

You realize there is no oil in Mexico right?

Exactly. If only Mexico had Oil, we could save them.

The United States gets more oil from Mexico than it does from Saudi Arabia.

 

[SirChained]

The United States gets more oil from Mexico than it does from Saudi Arabia.

Absolutely crushed.

 

[FStop7]

The United States gets more oil from Mexico than it does from Saudi Arabia.

Closer than one might think, but no.

And yeah, Mexico has a lot of oil. In fact they recently found a big reserve in the Gulf.

But the thing is... a kilo of that white powder is worth a lot more than a barrel of oil, which is why the drugs keep on coming through.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Those figures are insane. I would compare Mexico to the wild west but I think that would be vastly understating it.

Actually as far as murder goes, the wild west was apparently safer than modern day USA.

 

[theignoramus]

The Houston Chronicle's journalist, Dane Schiller, had an interview with a drug cartel member in a restaurant in Texas on the condition that his identity remained completely anonymous.[69] He referred to the hitman as Juan, who wore "designer sunglasses" and was carrying "Nordstrom shopping bags."[69] Juan reportedly moves more than $5 million U.S. dollars of cocaine each month, and in his interview he explained that Los Zetas have been using an "ancient Roman gladiator blood sport" to groom new assassins and find recruits for their organization.[69]
Once captured, the kidnaped victims were forced to fight to death with the other victims.[70] Men were given knives, hammers, and machetes, and were ordered at gunpoint to fight for their lives like a "gladiator-style contest." The winners of the fights were ordered to go on suicide missions and shoot at rival drug cartel members at other towns and cities.[70] Those that did not win the "fight-to-the-death gladiator matches" were buried in clandestine mass graves.[69] The idea behind this tactic is to find new recruits who are willing to kill without mercy.[70] Almost all of the corpses found in the mass graves had features of "blunt force trauma." Juan, the cartel member, confessed that the game is called: "Who is going to be the next hitman?"[70] Peter Hana, a retired FBI agent with years of experience in the development of the Mexican drug cartels, said that these reenacts of the gladiator contests, where victims "cut guys to pieces" for the "amusement" of the drug lords,[71] was something that people a few years ago would not think possible, but that now is a "commonplace."[71]

this is some Caligula type shit.
Narcoterrorists should be lined up against a wall and gunned the fuck down like a disease ridden animal.

 

[Foliorum Viridum]

Actually as far as murder goes, the wild west was apparently safer than modern day USA.

Ha, not surprising! Probably due to population growth though?

 

[Karma Kramer]

Just decriminalize the drugs, use the drug war money for rehab clinics and drug education and tax it to continue funding. Portugal did it and abuse went down. When you eliminate the high risks involved with producing/growing illegal drugs or selling them, you force all of that activity to happen outside of the US by individuals who are the most cut throat and aggressive .

 

[Farooq]

this is some Caligula type shit.
Narcoterrorists should be lined up against a wall and gunned the fuck down like a disease ridden animal.

Holy fucking shit...

I can't even fucking imagine being kidnapped and forced into some bloodsport with another poor soul. Fuck the cartels.

 

[nib95]

Dear god here is a survivor's account of one of the Zeta's larger massacres.

The people running these cartels are pure evil. They need to be Bin Laden'd....

Wipe them all out. Seriously. WTF. Where's the US military?! They like policing don't they? Police THIS!

 

[EleventhDoctor]

What criteria does the US use to determine what is a "Terrorist"? Because this definetely qualifies in my opinion...

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

What criteria does the US use to determine what is a "Terrorist"? Because this definetely qualifies in my opinion...

Agreed man. People can't even walk outside without fear of dying....

 

[andycapps]

Actually as far as murder goes, the wild west was apparently safer than modern day USA.

I don't think the actual "wild west" was as wild as the movies make it out to be.

 

[GungHo]

Heck there´s this story that some years ago some cartel from Tijuana kidnapped a Japanese old man, torture him and after several ransoms where paid they release him, the kidnappers didn't know that he was an ex-yakuza, and in revenge a group of yakuzas came to Tijuana and started killing all the members of that group.

It was Beat Takeshi wasn't it?

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Ha, not surprising! Probably due to population growth though?

Perhaps, I remember it from this list.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18487_6-ridiculous-history-myths-you-probably-think-are-true.html

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

Just decriminalize the drugs, use the drug war money for rehab clinics and drug education and tax it to continue funding. Portugal did it and abuse went down. When you eliminate the high risks involved with producing/growing illegal drugs or selling them, you force all of that activity to happen outside of the US by individuals who are the most cut throat and aggressive .

Yeah, because living with meth heads and other junkies is a wonderful situation.

 

[Joel Was Right]

this is some Caligula type shit.
Narcoterrorists should be lined up against a wall and gunned the fuck down like a disease ridden animal.

That quoted segment has to be exaggerated

 

[Menelaus]

Pretty sad when my first reaction was "only 14?"

 

[zoukka]

What the fuck man. :/ How can something like this be allowed to happen.

Not enough monetary gains in helping?

 

[Karma Kramer]

Yeah, because living with meth heads and other junkies is a wonderful situation.

No perfect solution, there will always be meth heads... but abuse goes down through decriminalization and the cartels would have far less power / eventually become irrelevant... so that is a wonderful situation for Mexico.

 

[Aurongel]

I know this sounds like a dumb question, but what is it exactly about narcotics like this that makes the government want to dodge them like the plague?

Is it simply that legalizing it would raise the number of lazy dopes in the country who don't want to contribute to society?

 

[Reneledarker]

I know this sounds like a dumb question, but what is it exactly about narcotics like this that makes the government want to dodge them like the plague?

Is it simply that legalizing it would raise the number of lazy dopes in the country who don't want to contribute to society?

Well if the USA government legalized, the first implication would be that the moral that the dominant elite used was wrong, that all those years of trying to create this taboo on drugs was a waste of time and money.
Second, it would be a new form of economy of pleasures and excesses, that will rival the one cigarettes and alcohol dominated, a new economic structure that allowed drug will be needed.
Basically the government and all the political elites that consider drugs to be something immoral would have to admit defeat, a new education structure would be needed.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

No perfect solution, there will always be meth heads... but abuse goes down through decriminalization and the cartels would have far less power / eventually become irrelevant... so that is a wonderful situation for Mexico.

Explain how meth and crack would be legally sold.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Explain how meth and crack would be legally sold.

at fine dept stores like Nordstrom's.

 

[SMT]

Villa del la muerte?

 

[poppabk]

I know this sounds like a dumb question, but what is it exactly about narcotics like this that makes the government want to dodge them like the plague?

Is it simply that legalizing it would raise the number of lazy dopes in the country who don't want to contribute to society?

Votes.
Legalizing marijuana would be very risky for your election chances.
Decriminilize meth and you may have as well introduced a bill that mandates complete and unlimited federal funding for abortions.

 

[AAequal]

I think mercenaries from other regions will be hired to do the dirty work, because while groups like Zetas have some decent military training most groups don´t have it, they basically hire any guy, give him a gun and a minimum training.

Heck there´s this story that some years ago some cartel from Tijuana kidnapped a Japanese old man, torture him and after several ransoms where paid they release him, the kidnappers didn't know that he was an ex-yakuza, and in revenge a group of yakuzas came to Tijuana and started killing all the members of that group.

Ha, bullshit story. But yeah, situation is crazy in latin america, cartels are basically paramilitary groups these days :/
I remember reading article about special forces in Mexico and how carfully their identities are protected since retaliation is inevitable, take your ski/commando mask off wrong time and you are going to die sooner or later.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

Explain how meth and crack would be legally sold.

I'll take one of the Pick-Six, give me some Marlboro Lights and some of that Crystal Meth please.

 

[Al-ibn Kermit]

Marijuana accounts for about half of cartel drug revenues. It seems doable for recreational marijuana use to eventually become legalized, slowly.

Meth, heroin, and crack destroy too many cities and small towns to be legalized though. I could see decriminalization of drug use though, just rerouting all non-violent offenders to rehab programs. It's the most sensible option from both a cost and effectiveness standpoint. But I don't know what you can do to the dealers beyond harder punishments.

Even if marijuana was no longer an income source for the cartels, how would that affect the violence? It seems they use violence just for the purpose of intimidating their competition and law enforcement, why would that change? Unless we're talking about a significant enough reduction in income to reduce how many guns they have and how many thugs they can hire.

Something that makes me worried about increasing penalties for drug dealers/smugglers is when I heard about this one attorney or judge in Iran who made it so that if you were convicted of being caught with at least a few ounces of heroin, then you would automatically receive a death sentence. Over the next 6 months, the price of heroin skyrocketed by 5 times, which obviously made it harder for addicts to support their habit.

Eventually the son of like a politician or something was charged with possession of too much heroin and this made them look over the previous cases with some extra scrutiny. They saw that a lot of these trials lasted less than an hour and that most of the evidence was just circumstantial.

So that's a problem. Politicians want to have some stats to brag about when they crack down on crime. I'm not saying that the same thing as what happened in Iran will happen again, but I am worried that justice may be bent a little.