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What I find shocking is how many people in this thread are shocked by the idea of defending your country from illegal and uncontrolled immigration. Who is this helping? Does it helps the poor native Americans? Does it helps Mexico to lose all its youth? Who is this helping other otherthe already outrageously rich people from america? Last time I checked factories are being localised in other poor countries, our gouvernements have crazy debts and we don't have much manual labour for the people already in our rich countries, how is making tons of illegal people come in is going to help anything for the average American?
 
I don’t remember arguing against interracial or gay marriage. I personally do not support gay marriage on religious grounds, however, as an AMERICAN CITIZEN I believe that it is the right of two consenting adults to basically do whatever it is they want to do. You’ll notice it wasn’t the people of North Korea v. Virginia, and also notice that I did not say anything disparaging about gay people in general, because I believe they can be fine and upstanding people just like anyone else.
At the bolded: quelle surprise. At the underlined, uh... thanks? I mean, I would hope such a thing wouldn't change the character of a person in your eyes.

As for the rest, that whistling sound you're hearing is from the point sailing quickly overhead. Because Amir0x was using the low citizen approval percentage for interracial marriage and gay marriage at the time they became/started becoming legalized to illustrate how absolutely abysmal the notion of only ever following the majority will of the people is, as you argue they should:

Those laws are passed by our elected representatives, as of right now, only 20% of Americans want more immigration, vs 40% that want less. We as a people are the ones that get to decide when, what, and who gets to immigrate into the country, that is our right.

See the parallels being drawn? About how unpopular concepts were instituted over the "wishes of the people" for their own betterment? Because if you're going to argue that we must follow the majority whims of the people, you'd also be arguing against any advancements made in contradiction to that -- like interracial marriage.

He was showing the folly of only ever lsitening to and following the whims of the majority.

If that's not clear enough, I can't help you further. God knows how you managed to break his point in two simply to miss it the first time.
 
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Sadly NO. Your wrong in so many ways. That there is no legal way of dealing with all of these people is BS and there is MASSIVE amount of non enforced laws that are already on the books that say what should be done give your situation but the executive is not enforcing them which is a CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY to enforce the laws Congress wrote.

If we need a new immigration system so be it but freaking the system is broken and is not being enforced right now so what reason do I have to believe any new laws are going to change anything when the Congress does nothing and the Administrations Agents play Congress via regulations and out right ignoring the laws already on the books that tell you how a process some if they legal or illegal. This is Immigration thing is more about massive lawlessness going unchecked if not out right rewarded. Its freaking zoo in DC and no side is doing anything to solve it.
 
Following the whims of the people is always a massive grey area obviously it's one of the main tenants of democracy large portions of the citizens of a country aren't educated in the concepts and facts about the issues it's facing a let alone having enough information to make an informed logical decision which is why you elect a government in the first place. Typically how extremists get large number of votes or just generally bad economic policies, is through pointing out the large positives or prevailing concepts willing ignoring such concepts are completely unfeasible.

Ofcourse it far more muddier when you bring in hot topic morality where obviously there aren't any real right or wrong answers and so it comes down pushing your own morality on these issues on the general public or simply listening to that general public. Arguments can be made either way.
 
Following the whims of the people is always a massive grey area obviously it's one of the main tenants of democracy large portions of the citizens of a country aren't educated in the concepts and facts about the issues facing a let alone having information to make an informed logical decision which is why you elect a government in the first place. Typically how extremists get large number of votes or just generally bad economic policies

Ofcourse it far more muddier when you bring in hot topic morality where obviously there aren't any real right or wrong answers and so it comes down pushing your own morality on these issues on the general public or simply listening to that general public. Arguments can be made either way.

Note adding to the above. If in the US. Go read the Constitution and about the debates around it it is the fourth you could at least do that and find out he US is Constitutional Federal Republic with Democrat element here and there. We are not a democracy..... that is better word for the kangaroo parliamentary system over in Euroland. And the founders feared a pure democracy greatly because its pretty much mob rule via voting.
 
One last thing. FOX is NOT conservative. FOX is for establishment, big money Republicans, in the same way that the other stations are for liberal left wing Democrats. A conservative, is somebody that stands on principle, not the name of a party, and that principle comes from experience and history, not some vague ideology or theory. A conservative believes in the intent and duty of upholding our Constitution because that is the only thing saving us from tyranny. Ninety percent of either party, Republican or Democrat, couldn't care less about any of that.

Oh, No True Scotsman, lovely.

Besides, conservative doesn't mean that anymore, it refers to those with conservative social policies and an emphasis on lower government involvement. Similarly, liberalism no longer includes classic liberalism, i.e. Ayn Rand's brand of objectivism. Definitions change.
 
What I find shocking is how many people in this thread are shocked by the idea of defending your country from illegal and uncontrolled immigration. Who is this helping? Does it helps the poor native Americans? Does it helps Mexico to lose all its youth? Who is this helping other otherthe already outrageously rich people from america? Last time I checked factories are being localised in other poor countries, our gouvernements have crazy debts and we don't have much manual labour for the people already in our rich countries, how is making tons of illegal people come in is going to help anything for the average American?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Dude, trust me, many young people here in the country.

Also, not all illegal immigrants come from Mexico. To Central and South America, Mexico is the last strecth of their journey to the US.
 
Sadly NO. Your wrong in so many ways. That there is no legal way of dealing with all of these people is BS and there is MASSIVE amount of non enforced laws that are already on the books that say what should be done give your situation but the executive is not enforcing them which is a CONSTITUTIONAL DUTY to enforce the laws Congress wrote.

If we need a new immigration system so be it but freaking the system is broken and is not being enforced right now so what reason do I have to believe any new laws are going to change anything when the Congress does nothing and the Administrations Agents play Congress via regulations and out right ignoring the laws already on the books that tell you how a process some if they legal or illegal. This is Immigration thing is more about massive lawlessness going unchecked if not out right rewarded. Its freaking zoo in DC and no side is doing anything to solve it.

Sounds like what you need is some good old fashioned citizen militia, right?

 
This is brilliant. FOX News/RNC and the monopoly interests they represent, their ideal of an underclass that should work for scraps or nothing. Columbia is their dream state.

This is perfect. Bravo to whichever cheeky intern there made this.
Indeed. It's happened before with Bioshock Infinite art which just adds to the fun.
 
“An ever growing welfare state, lmfao.” Yeah, that was a good one wasn’t it? I guess I must have meant shrinking welfare state. That’s why the debt has grown to 17.5 trillion dollars while unfunded liabilities have grown to over 90 trillion, oops I meant shrunk.

Well benefits in this case can include food stamps, welfare for children, the alleged 1.2 million (20% of total signups) illegal immigrants that signed up for subsidized health care through Obama’s ACA, but there are other costs. The cost of providing increased services like health care through emergency rooms, education, increased law enforcement, the fact that up to 25% of federal and state prisons are illegal immigrants, on and on. Illegal immigrants receive in state tuition in certain states, something that you do not receive as an American citizen if you come from another state. That means they are being subsidised by US citizens and other students.

By the way, where do you think the debt comes from? It exists to pay for federal programs, and those programs at least in part include, wait for it…a multitude of federal benefits! So, the less spent on these programs, the less that needs to be borrowed, the better off we are in the future. Again, there are legitimate uses of our taxes and illegitimate. We’ve already established that you’d be the first person to offer your credit card to a stranger if they walked up and told you that they need the money, but c’mon, don’t be purposefully dense.
I didn't quite thoroughly go over the entirety of your post given the massive blocks of text of what largely seems to be personal tirades of opinions, but I think you're hurting your argument by stating things like "the alleged 1.2 million..." and "the fact that up to 25% of federal and state prisons are..." without linking to any particular sources for these 'alleged' statistics. Moreover, without a clear definition of what you consider "welfare", it's harder to determine exactly how much of the budget you're talking about.

Regarding food stamps: "In 2013, it helped more than 47 million low-income Americans to afford a nutritionally adequate diet in a typical month." The eligibility requirements are actually fairly strict, and undocumented immigrants are ineligible for SNAP (food stamps). It is extremely unlikely that all 47 million are illegal immigrants feasting on taxpayer money. I would say it is probably also somewhat unlikely that even 1 million of the reported 47 million are illegal immigrants. False documentation requires money to produce, and they're probably more costly than the salary of illegal workers can handle.

Regarding 'welfare for children', the category is too broad to discern what programs are 'wasting' money on illegal immigrants. At best they're sponging off programs that provide assistance to health, education, family support, and income security for children—and what is wrong about using 'your' tax money for programs like that? Do you have evidence about how much illegals cost these programs?

Without knowing where your alleged 1.2 million 'illegal immigrants sign up for Obamacare' number comes from, it's hard to determine its factual value. Moreover, Obamacare does not cover them from a legal standpoint. If they really do account for 20% of total signups, then surely the officials running Obamacare have to be extremely blind, because 20% is not a small percentage. Fraud at that percentage is ridiculously high, and extremely unlikely.

A bit of Googling on the '25% of federal and state prisons are illegal immigrants' number shows the problems with that statistic, namely that the statistic provided as a soundbite was actually "30% of inmates in federal and state prisons are non-citizens" and does not state that the non-citizen number most likely includes legitimate immigrants that have also turned to crime. According to the Federal Bureau of Prison, about 25% are non-citizens, but 14% of total federal inmates are actually in privately-managed facilities. Pew Research puts the population of undocumented immigrants in 2012 at 11.7 million. The total number of inmates as of May 2014 is 216,746; 25% of that is 54,187. Which means (if running off your assumption that all of the non-citizens are illegal immigrants) a whopping 0.4% of the estimated illegal immigrant population is flopping about federal prisons wasting taxpayer money.

"The cost of providing increased services like health care through emergency rooms, education, increased law enforcement" are things we increase nowadays anyway with the American population, given expensive health insurance, expensive college tuition, and the passion of Americans for guns and personal justice. They are not costs incurred only because of the illegal population.

Consider: many of the jobs illegal immigrants are doing are jobs that American citizens actually do not want to do. The productivity of 11.7 million people is actually quite beneficial to the economy, and they earn what even you wouldn't consider a living wage. Despite your alleged statistics, they do not so easily receive the benefits afforded Americans by government programs. It's quite possible that what they contribute to the economy exceeds the costs they incur.
 
Holy shit at maverickjs.

Yea illiegal immigrants get soooo many benefits here in the US! Sure thing buddy. I mean without a SSN they are still golden! Who would have though, Ill go tell this great news that I wasnt aware of to my sadly undocumented relatives to have been working their asses off without any benefits at all. Ill tell them to apply to free healthcare too!!
 
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