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Fred Phelps on His Deathbed [Update: Dead]
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umop_3pisdn
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iMax I think your vantage point is afforded to you by a combination of naivete about the depth of immorality possible by any given individual alongside an insensitivity in regards to the degree of immorality Phelps showed in his lifetime. It comes across as a kind of privileged vantage point. It's easier to lament greater tragedies in some kind of vague and mistily diffuse way as phenomena that happen in the world, but that kind of defense mechanism doesn't work against the lower level and more insidious forms of immorality we're all susceptible to.
Taking joy in the suffering of others is by my view objectively immoral. However many things that we do are not morally ideal, lying is another example, there has to be a meaningful sense of scale. A statement that I would stand behind is "Taking joy in the suffering of others probably isn't the best way available to any of us, for our own individual sense of well-being, to respond to this". Others may disagree with that point, but it's a lot harder or more futile to argue with it, and the core of the point is more easily digested so even those that may disagree are more likely to consider it.
Taking joy in the suffering of others is by my view objectively immoral. However many things that we do are not morally ideal, lying is another example, there has to be a meaningful sense of scale. A statement that I would stand behind is "Taking joy in the suffering of others probably isn't the best way available to any of us, for our own individual sense of well-being, to respond to this". Others may disagree with that point, but it's a lot harder or more futile to argue with it, and the core of the point is more easily digested so even those that may disagree are more likely to consider it.
Obviously not the 'grateful that he exists' part. More the 'hate feels really good' bit.
Dastardly Jerks
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Hate feels good? What?
Yeah, maybe if you're the sort of person who wallows in negativity and lets it consume them. Good luck finding any sort of happiness while you carry a burden like that.
Yeah, maybe if you're the sort of person who wallows in negativity and lets it consume them. Good luck finding any sort of happiness while you carry a burden like that.
Well, he told us we don't care about gay rights and that we're just as evil as him. That's nuts, honestly.
Zen_Arcade
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This is what everyone else has been thinking trying to figure out whatever it is you've been saying.
OK, I'm done. This is too painful.
Yeah, you'd have to be a complete fucking asshole to bring that type of disrespect to someone's actual funeral. I mean come on...
Oh man, I almost spit on my keyboard.
He does have a point. As a culture, we respond best when around fear and hatred, around conflict. In fact, one can argue we respond to it so well that the reason we have so many problems in the world is because of that would-be "addiction". We seldom respond to joy and love nearly as firmly as fear and hatred. It is precisely why the WBC has any notoriety over any typical church. We get glued to news on killers or those who hate, but very rarely pay a mind to saviors or those who love unconditionally.
Now, regarding Fred Phelps, there's not much I can say. Death is a process we all will enter, and he's just entering it now. I am not a fan of his positions, nor am I happy that his family has 'outcasted' certain ex-church members from seeing him in his final periods of life. I only wish he spent his time on this planet understanding the truth that people have more in common than what we attempt to see, that we shouldn't be looking at the differences, for this is the root of conflict.
It seems he lived a life doing nothing but looking at the differences, and to an extreme.
BUT TALKING SHIT ABOUT HIM ONLINE IS THE SAME THING / TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN / MORE DISTURBING SOMEHOW
u rite u rite
Escape Goat
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both parties are the same guys. lets move on k
GraveRobberX
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Looks like I'll have business shortly
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Miss my shovel!
water_wendi
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Almost a century of hatred towards innocent people is about to depart for oblivion. Best news ive heard in a while.
unknownhero
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but it still lives really. his wife and children carry on that hate.
water_wendi
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That just means theres more good days down the line.
<3 Monkey Dust
What I know of him through reading and Theroux documentaries, I'm not sad about this.
I understand why some people are "celebrating", but I would not go picket the funeral or take a dump over his grave. Those are wrong no matter what your believes are.
See this church believes something is so wrong that they use that believe as an excuse to picket the funerals. That is wrong. It would be also wrong to do the same things in his funeral, because it just shows you believe it's right to do these things if you believe you are in the right side.
Here saying that you are happy isn't the same thing.
I understand why some people are "celebrating", but I would not go picket the funeral or take a dump over his grave. Those are wrong no matter what your believes are.
See this church believes something is so wrong that they use that believe as an excuse to picket the funerals. That is wrong. It would be also wrong to do the same things in his funeral, because it just shows you believe it's right to do these things if you believe you are in the right side.
Here saying that you are happy isn't the same thing.
DCharlie
And even i am moderately surprised
one of the most beautifully incredible moments in British comedy - includes Dobsky, one of the few affirmed Cumbrian characters on TV lol.
NSFW - contains penis space hopper...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBUFgJlrCDc
Pulp's extro to Sunshine plus comedy, plus all the strangeness, plus ... yeah... sinister bends. <3
I would love to see a Monkey Dust take on his death.
Northeastmonk
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We punish those who commit crimes, hating people is different from killing people unless you want to get rid of free speech. We'd all be screwed if that happened. The guy hated specific people (bad man he is), but he didn't kill a vast majority of innoconent men women and children. I fail to see the connection. I just think that we should not defeat hate with more hate. It doesn't make us better off.
We can't look at this as one large list of 'we'll hate you for this because' because there's worse people in the world. Like those people who travel to third world countries to solicite sex from minors.
Traumnovelle
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The David Wong ban has to be the highest profile since Dyack.
DrForester
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Could Malcom McDowell give us a recap of the events so far in this thread?
Why was he ex communicated? Also there's so much salt itt. I'm pretty indifferent towards the dude but I can completely understand the "by, bitch" mentality. Sure there are some sympathetic people that will come in and chastise those that cheer his death on stating something about the importance of a life. The truth is some lives aren't worth celebrating and shouldn't be spoke of fondly even in death. Some people change the world for the worse and it's a-ok to piss on their grave.
Thread was a fun read! And as always, first post gets it right.
You will not be missed.
Well, there's always David Jaffe.
water_wendi
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OK, I'm done. This is too painful.
Please read.
It is what you said. Your post has been pointed out multiple times and instead of admitting you mistyped or something you doubled downed on those words being accurate. Now you are saying "Please read?" You are either a troll, inebriated, or have a horrible command of the English language and dont know what the words you are writing actually mean.
I actually think its worse that they don't even believe the awful propaganda they spread, they just troll people at their most vulnerable in hopes of getting assaulted so they can sue the person for everything the have. They are exploiting humanity's worst tendency in hopes of a payday.
-MD-
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Jaffe got banned?
If that's the case won't all members of their church eventually be excommunicated?
Sickboy007
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Can't have someone who has so spectacularly misinterpreted Glengarry Glen Ross' entire point on the board.
Sho_Nuff82
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If your faith revolves around that kind of simplistic, circular reasoning, I would assume yes, everyone will eventually be cast out as their faith wasn't good enough to keep them immortal.
It's not, but still two wrongs don't make a right and all that.
That is just revenge and it doesn't excuse you from it being wrong thing to do. You are saying that if someone does something wrong first you have the right to do it back. Think about the consequences if you apply that rule to everything. It's not a good world.
I understand it feels bad that some people do stuff like this and you can't stop them from doing it. How will you fight back?
I don't know, but participating in a similar action doesn't seem like a good way of doing it.
You will not be missed.
pretty much this. peace out, bro.
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