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[The Lamp]

"Made with Real Fruit"

Like real fruit is healthy, lol

Marketing capitalizes on what the public thinks to sell something.

The public is ignorant as fuck and thinks fruit snacks are healthy. It's not a food company's job to educate that, it's their job to convince you to buy a product.

I can buy major brand bread without high fructose corn syrup now. The only reason this is possible now and wasn't 15 years ago is because the CUSTOMER started caring about it, so food companies reacted by making products the customer wanted.

Customers think fruit makes things healthier, so companies capitalize on that. Until the public stops being ignorant, it'll continue. So if you want them to stop doing this, stop buying the product and participate in market research so they know what to make for their customers. They're only ever going to make what they think people want to see.

 

[brianjones]

nobody has gotten fat from eating fruit

 

[Gin]

Since people are talking sugar and other stuff - might as well see all the numbers in it

 

[ZackieChan]

Lots of great critical thinking skills on display here. Bravo, GAF.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

lol at fruit is "not good for you" now.

Christ.

 

[Vivalaraza]

I guess much of this comes down to what you consider “healthy” to mean. It seems that Zefah, and some others, perceive this to mean the absolute optimum type of diet, a diet with an absolute minimum level of “waste”. Which is fair enough I suppose. But I don’t think that’s how most people perceive a healthy diet…most people probably perceive it as an absence of very unhealthily/harmful (for want of a better word) foods.

I’d be interested to know what Zefah’s thoughts are on other lifestyle issues. For example, transport. Does Zefah think for instance, that driving or jumping on a bus for your daily commute is unhealthy?

Of course – the examples don’t map perfectly. There are more alternatives when it comes to foods, but my point is, I think Zefah is talking in absolute extremes which most people don’t do, especially when it comes to health.

 

[CornBurrito]

I'm sure some wise guy will come out and bash this comparison again, but you can say that lung cancer is the result of smoking too much. Not smoking period.

It's not like there's some breaking point where all of the sudden bad things happen at once. They accumulate over time.

I've already covered that sugar can be useful in certain situations for certain people and that it's not going to kill you overnight if you just have it every so often.

But I haven't seen evidence that small doses of sugar have harmful long term effects. The same can't be said for cigarettes.

 

[Pop-O-Matic]

 

[Ahasverus]

Is this thread telling me that fruit, one of the pillars of human (and animal) nutrition through the ages, that brought victory to many armies and that comes directly from nature is /bad/ and would be better replaced by /vitamin pills/?

Dudes, we're all gonna die someday, and you won't get to be 200 y.o by changing an apple for a pill, really.

 

[Beelzebufo]

I think after decades of work dispelling the "fats are bad" myth the world now has gone full retard the other way around, where anything containing a single gram of sugars or carbs = instant cancer.

The problem with fruits though (and especially juice) is that is has much more than a single gram lol.

Seriously, that shit'll rot your teeth.

Is this thread telling me that fruit, one of the pillars of human (and animal) nutrition through the ages, that brought victory to many armies and that comes directly from nature is /bad/ and would be better replaced by /vitamin pills/?

Dudes, we're all gonna die someday, and you won't get to be 200 y.o by changing an apple for a pill, really.

Of course not. Nothing that comes from nature, is used by animals, or helps win wars is ever bad.

Vitamins however are bad because they use chemicals.

 

[Ahasverus]

The problem with fruits though (and especially juice) is that is has much more than a single gram lol.

Seriously, that shit'll rot your teeth.

Duuude it's getting funny now. Not brushing your teeth will rot your teeth, not /fruit/.

I'm not opposed to vitamin pills and stuff, it's just that there are some extremes where everything that was good for,I dunno, thousands of years is suddenly poison that you have to ask how did we get this far.

Well, whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

 

[jwk94]

"Made with Real Fruit"

Like real fruit is healthy, lol

You can't be serious.

 

[pel1300]

all these anti-fruit people never answer the question of what they DO eat. where do you get your frkn calories?

Lean chicken/turkey breasts, omega 3s, nuts, and eggs? Everything else in your super diet (non-starchy vegetables like dark greens) has barely any calories.

seriously, what else do you eat? Fruits, too much sugar....Starchy vegetables like carrots? oh too much sugar, right? sweet potatoes? too much sugar, right? Brown rice? oh too many carbs.

what on earth do you eat? just lean meats, dark green veggies, some nuts, and fill in the gaps with supplement pills?

 

[Beelzebufo]

Duuude it's getting funny now. Not brushing your teeth will rot your teeth, not /fruit/.

I'm not opposed to vitamin pills and stuff, it's just that there are some extremes where everything that was good for,I dunno, thousands of years is suddenly poison that you have to ask how did we get this far.

Well, whatever floats your boat, I suppose.

Yeah, but you'll still see more cavities in people who drink juice overall. Not a good decisions for people with teeth more susceptible to damage. Same goes for other sugary drinks like Gatorade.

Also, people have been consuming literal poisons for thousands of years, so that whole argument doesn't really mean anything. Life expectancy is also longer now.

 

[pel1300]

When I diet, I eat a lot of:

1. lean poultry
2. eggs - with the yolk. usually as an egg scramble with spinach and grilled peppers and onions. I cook it in cold pressed coconut oil.
3. brown rice with flaxseed oil
4. sweet potatoes
5. fish - mainly salmon
6. dark green veggies
7. LOTS of fruit. persimonns, oranges, apples, bananas.
8. sometimes i mix baked white potatoes with baked sweet potatoes and flaxseed oil to try to make a more healthy mashed potatoes. this way its not too sweet and i can feel like I'm eating a cheat food, even though it's mostly alright.

When I'm not dieting I eat a ton of:

1. white rice with anything
2. beef and pork. love steaks. love meat n potato dishes.
3. spaghetti with olive oil
4. LOTS of fruit
5. occasional fast food

 

[Coconut]

you had a real world health word like 'fruit' to a food item and it'll be accepted by folks that it is healthy.

 

[CornBurrito]

I guess much of this comes down to what you consider “healthy” to mean. It seems that Zefah, and some others, perceive this to mean the absolute optimum type of diet, a diet with an absolute minimum level of “waste”. Which is fair enough I suppose. But I don’t think that’s how most people perceive a healthy diet…most people probably perceive it as an absence of very unhealthily/harmful (for want of a better word) foods.

I’d be interested to know what Zefah’s thoughts are on other lifestyle issues. For example, transport. Does Zefah think for instance, that driving or jumping on a bus for your daily commute is unhealthy?

Of course – the examples don’t map perfectly. There are more alternatives when it comes to foods, but my point is, I think Zefah is talking in absolute extremes which most people don’t do, especially when it comes to health.

Problem is Zefah isn't just arguing that fruit it less optimal. He has directly stated that the cons of fruit consumption outweigh any benefit that can be derived from them. So eating an orange does more net harm than good to the body according to him. I tried googling since he won't provide any sort of evidence but I can't really find any sources that agree with him. At best you get sources that say sugar is bad. But even if that is true, that fact alone doesn't prove that the amount of sugar in an orange is enough to outweigh the pros of the vitamins/fiber/etc... present in the orange. Maybe someone out there has broken down the composition of an orange and shown the effect of each component.

 

[pel1300]

still waiting for the anti-fruit crowd to explain what they eat besides meat and green veggies.

 

[God Dayumm]

still waiting for the anti-fruit crowd to explain what they eat besides meat and green veggies.

You can make thousands of tasty dishes with meat and veggies. But there is also diary and nuts.

I'm not anti-fruit though, would eat more if they had more protein, so I just stick to blueberries.

 

[pel1300]

You can make thousands of tasty dishes with meat and veggies. But there is also diary and nuts.

I'm not anti-fruit though, would eat more if they had more protein, so I just stick to blueberries.

I thought the Paleo diet doesn't include dairy.

meat...non-starchy veggies....nuts. basically you''re getting nearly all of your calories from meat and nuts, since non starchy veggies have few to negative calories.

people on this kind of diet must have a difficult time eating at restaurants, social gatherings, while traveling, eating when living abroad (good luck trying a low carb diet in Asia and Latin America, lol).

 

[Arthr2ShdsJcksn]

Wait until you realize that most protein bars are just candy as well. Shit, some of them are even made with the Snickers branding.

 

[Petrie]

I thought the Paleo diet doesn't include dairy.

meat...non-starchy veggies....nuts. basically you''re getting nearly all of your calories from meat and nuts, since non starchy veggies have few to negative calories.

people on this kind of diet must have a difficult time eating at restaurants, social gatherings, while traveling, eating when living abroad (good luck trying a low carb diet in Asia and Latin America, lol).

You do realize that being "anti-fruit" does not mean paleo by default right?

Stop lumping them together.

And it's incredibly easy to eat at restaurants and social gatherings and avoid unnecessary sugar. Do you think diabetics simply can't function in society? Fucking ignorance right here.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

You do realize that being "anti-fruit" does not mean paleo by default right?

Stop lumping them together.

And it's incredibly easy to eat at restaurants and social gatherings and avoid unnecessary sugar. Do you think diabetics simply can't function in society? Fucking ignorance right here.

Paleo is something different depending on who you ask, so it's kind of pointless to argue about it, but its base premise is about eating like our ancestors (based on our relatively limited knowledge) and as how nature would normally dictate (no eating out-of-season things shipped from across the world). In that sense, a concentrated period of gorging on fruit would definitely fall within Paleo.

I think Paleo as a concept is pretty dumb, personally, but I can't deny there being some benefits to movement's rise in popularity.

people on this kind of diet must have a difficult time eating at restaurants, social gatherings, while traveling, eating when living abroad (good luck trying a low carb diet in Asia and Latin America, lol).

It's really not that difficult as long as you have access to cooking equipment and a place that sells whole foods. If you're trying to eat out all of the time, then yes, it could be quite difficult.

Even still, you can be smart with your menu choices at sit-down restaurants and, as long as you speak the language, ask for slight modifications where necessary.

 

[.GqueB.]

Just like your examples are completely pointless. Next time, don't forget to say that eggs can be as dangerous as consuming brownie. You know, since we are not comparing any of these relatively, why not throw anything just to make a ridiculous point.

Doing anything can hurt you in the long term so it's best to just do nothing. But that can hurt you in the long term too...

so I don't know...

When I diet, I eat a lot of:

1. lean poultry
2. eggs - with the yolk. usually as an egg scramble with spinach and grilled peppers and onions. I cook it in cold pressed coconut oil.
3. brown rice with flaxseed oil
4. sweet potatoes
5. fish - mainly salmon
6. dark green veggies
7. LOTS of fruit. persimonns, oranges, apples, bananas.
8. sometimes i mix baked white potatoes with baked sweet potatoes and flaxseed oil to try to make a more healthy mashed potatoes. this way its not too sweet and i can feel like I'm eating a cheat food, even though it's mostly alright.

When I'm not dieting I eat a ton of:

1. white rice with anything
2. beef and pork. love steaks. love meat n potato dishes.
3. spaghetti with olive oil
4. LOTS of fruit
5. occasional fast food

This is against the rules!@!

 

[espher]

I need to find a good diet regimen that jives with a light physical activity level and hatred of cooking.

wru magical nutrition pills pst

 

[jmdajr]

I like these. Basically dried fruit sticks. Way better than that gummy crap.

 

[pel1300]

You do realize that being "anti-fruit" does not mean paleo by default right?

Stop lumping them together.

And it's incredibly easy to eat at restaurants and social gatherings and avoid unnecessary sugar. Do you think diabetics simply can't function in society? Fucking ignorance right here.

"incredibly easy" yet doesn't give any examples, lol. if you're diet is so restrictive that it can't afford to include some fruit each day, you're gonna have a hard time, period. Even just being a vegetarian or someone who wants a reasonably balanced diet makes it difficult when living abroad in Asia and Latin America, I've seen it myself countless times.

Try going low carb/sugar in East Asia and Central or South America, you'll end up going insane unless you're filthy rich and able to afford shopping at the insanely expensive health food shops. Brazil is probably the only country in those regions where it's not hard to eat a healthy diet of meats, fruits, and veggies without too much highly processed carbs/sugar.

I mention paleo for the first time in this thread and you say "stop lumping them together" oookay..

 

[Deleted member 17706]

"incredibly easy" yet doesn't give any examples, lol. if you're diet is so restrictive that it can't afford to include an apple, you're gonna have a hard time, period. Even just being a vegetarian makes it difficult when living abroad in Asia, I've seen it myself countless times.

Try going low carb/sugar in East Asia, you'll end up going insane unless you're filthy rich and able to afford shopping at the insanely expensive health food shops.

I mention paleo for the first time in this thread and you say "stop lumping them together" oookay..

You're full of it. Unless "not difficult" simply means "being able to eat anything you come across" to you.

Do supermarkets not exist in the mysterious East Asia you go to?

Where can you not buy meat, eggs, fish, oils, nuts, and vegetables?

 

[pel1300]

You're full of it. Unless "not difficult" simply means "being able to eat anything you come across" to you.

Do supermarkets not exist in the mysterious East Asia you go to?

Where can you not buy meat, eggs, fish, oils, nuts, and vegetables?

Ok....I think your low carb diet is making you a bit uptight because you really need to chill out.

Don't get all upset just because other people can eat good amount of carbs and still be in great shape. You're projecting your own experience on everyone else as if they have the same body type and metabolism. Just because a small amount of sugar makes YOU gain body fat easily doesn't mean the same applies to everyone.

Besides, you are getting sidetracked. Of course if you are just gonna stay home all the time you can be as picky as you want and just grocery shop. My argument was that having such a restrictive diet makes it difficult to eat at restaurants, while traveling, living abroad(where grocery shopping isn't much cheaper than eating at local restaurants), and at social gatherings. Not to mention people with busy schedules who don't have time to cook.

 

[zoukka]

Nope.
They're filled with bad sugars.

You're better off getting your vitamins for vitamin supplements.

What a troll.

 

[You Are Viewtiful]

Most health advice is geared towards those 50 year old obese people at risk for cardiovascular disease. As a skinny and active 21 year old I can never take most health advice seriously. I don't understand the demonization of carbs for one; yeah it is bad for weight loss, but "unhealthy"? Humans have been eating rice and bread since the dawn of civilization. I am not buying into that shit that rice or freshly squeezed apple juice will give me leukemia 'cause "CARBS!"

I'm drinking 3% whole milk right now. Come at me!

 

[Mr.Swag]

Wait until you realize that most protein bars are just candy as well. Shit, some of them are even made with the Snickers branding.

Yea but those are taken in tandem with hard exercise.

 

[Stinkles]

Wine Gums >>>> Swedish Fish (assorted) >>>>>






Every other gummy.



Truthchew

 

[GhaleonEB]

Since people are talking sugar and other stuff - might as well see all the numbers in it

I like these. Basically dried fruit sticks. Way better than that gummy crap.

Looks can be decieving. In this case the marketing is very good on those fruit sticks. Looking at the nutrition label, the "dried fruit sticks" have more sugar than the "gummy crap".

The Welch's has a serving size of 25.5g and 11g of it is sugar.

The H-E-B Fruit Twists have a serving size of 20g and 13g of it is sugar. They are less healthy across the board - more sodium, more sugar, less vitamins added during manufacture. The sticks do have 1g of fiber, though.

Not exactly healthy. They've every bit as much sticks of candy as the "fruit snacks" are gummies.

 

[Deleted member 17706]

Ok....I think your low carb diet is making you a bit uptight because you really need to chill out.

Don't get all upset just because other people can eat good amount of carbs and still be in great shape. You're projecting your own experience on everyone else as if they have the same body type and metabolism. Just because a small amount of sugar makes YOU gain body fat easily doesn't mean the same applies to everyone.

Besides, you are getting sidetracked. Of course if you are just gonna stay home all the time you can be as picky as you want and just grocery shop. My argument was that having such a restrictive diet makes it difficult to eat at restaurants, while traveling, living abroad(where grocery shopping isn't much cheaper than eating at local restaurants), and at social gatherings. Not to mention people with busy schedules who don't have time to cook.

What? You talk about my getting sidetracked when you just go on some nonsensical rant unrelated to the discussion? Maybe stop attacking people and instead attack arguments?

There is no such thing as a person with a busy schedule that does not have time to cook unless they are literally never at home but to sleep. That person will have problems no matter where they live in the world. Nothing specific about East Asia that would make their trying to follow a diet more difficult.

And as I said, it's generally pretty easy to get customized orders. Most places will pretty easily be able to make you a plate of meat and veggies if you ask.

I'm drinking 3% whole milk right now. Come at me!

I think most people who advocate any kind of carbohydrate restriction would be more likely to commend your choice of whole milk than "come at you" for it.

 

[Petrie]

Looks can be decieving. In this case the marketing is very good on those fruit sticks. Looking at the nutrition label, the "dried fruit sticks" have more sugar than the "gummy crap".

The Welch's has a serving size of 25.5g and 11g of it is sugar.

The H-E-B Fruit Twists have a serving size of 20g and 13g of it is sugar. They are less healthy across the board - more sodium, more sugar, less vitamins added during manufacture. The sticks do have 1g of fiber, though.

Not exactly healthy. They've every bit as much sticks of candy as the "fruit snacks" are gummies.

And this is why you have to actually do some research and not just trust marketing people.

"incredibly easy" yet doesn't give any examples, lol. if you're diet is so restrictive that it can't afford to include some fruit each day, you're gonna have a hard time, period. Even just being a vegetarian or someone who wants a reasonably balanced diet makes it difficult when living abroad in Asia and Latin America, I've seen it myself countless times.

Try going low carb/sugar in East Asia and Central or South America, you'll end up going insane unless you're filthy rich and able to afford shopping at the insanely expensive health food shops. Brazil is probably the only country in those regions where it's not hard to eat a healthy diet of meats, fruits, and veggies without too much highly processed carbs/sugar.

I mention paleo for the first time in this thread and you say "stop lumping them together" oookay..

The abroad thing may have some validity, but the rest of your post is hot garbage. There is no difficulty whatsoever in eating pretty much everywhere in the US while avoiding the foods mentioned.

Which is why my post had nothing to do with the abroad part of your statements.

 

[Femmeworth]

Bought a box of the Welch's fruit snacks, ate like 5 pouches. They kind of leave a bad aftertaste. :\