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[sprsk]

I can't remember a candidate that didn't have a good convention speech. The fact is everyone's going to forget once he goes on to say something stupid again or Hillary announces her VP.

I'm really just wondering to see if he ends up ad libbing, cause you fucking know he will.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Cruz could totally deliver it.

No way. Doesn't have the range to do it.

 

[sc0la]

It will all be in the delivery.
If he sounds like low energy "Teleprompter Trump" it will be weak. But it could come off well if he actually bothered to read it before hand and practiced.

 

[royalan]

Reading this in the voice I typically hear in my brain when I read (think Maggie Smith mixed with a little Jennifer Lewis), this sounds terrifying and effective. Total bullshit, but well structured bullshit that piles on the red meat for the base and crescendos.

Then I hear it in Donald Trump's voice, with his mangled, struggling, barely-literate teleprompter delivery. Then I'm not so scared.

The actual words are only part of what make a good speech effective. You gotta be able to "sing" it, and I'll be surprised if Trump can manage that.

 

[Thequietone]

It was an American who killed those people in Orlando. Notice he says from foreign hate, not just hatred in general.

Yes, but if his parents weren't allowed to come to the USA then he wouldn't have been able to do it. /Trump logic

 

[Purple Cheeto]

What's he talking about here?

Making it so the Mormons can be more open in their hated of non straight white old guys from Utah.

 

[LucidMomentum]

I wonder what "Americanism" actually looks like.

.

 

[Jarmel]

It certainly has less "bully" (not that it isn't there in its own way) to it and more "concern" than I expected.

Still wonder how he'll be able to sell that as sincere empathy.

If he comes in with a soft tone but then delivers the lines "I AM YOUR VOICE" with force then it'll work really well. He has to take a gentler tone than he's used to but this could be a slam dunk for him.

It flows well compared to his normal insane jazz odysseys that lurch from topic to topic in a wild and unpredictable manner. You're grading him on a curve.

Nah, it flows really well in general. He doesn't go on tangents about Clinton but rather brings her in at the appropriate points. He uses personal stories at the correct juncture to counter the statistics.

It's a good speech in general even if I disagree with the message.

 

[Mighty Chin]

You know this speech is actually going to require him to read.

 

[jbug617]

The rural areas support of Trump is scary to me. Hillary has no shot appealing to them.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

If he comes in with a soft tone but then delivers the lines "I AM YOUR VOICE" with force then it'll work really well. He has to take a gentler tone than he's used to but this could be a slam dunk for him.

I just can't believe he'll manage that

 

[Xe4]

The rural areas support of Trump is scary to me. Hillary has no shot appealing to them.

Good thing they aren't the majority of America. Democrats haven't been able to get rural voters since the southern strategy.

 

[Mighty Chin]

The rural areas support of Trump is scary to me. Hillary has no shot appealing to them.

Every state has a big city where smarter people congregate.

 

[ColdPizza]

@HillaryClinton will be on fire tonight

Her team is probably prepping everything right now to refute him in real-time, lol

 

[B-Dubs]

If he comes in with a soft tone but then delivers the lines "I AM YOUR VOICE" with force then it'll work really well. He has to take a gentler tone than he's used to but this could be a slam dunk for him.



Nah, it flows really well in general. He doesn't go on tangents about Clinton but rather brings her in at the appropriate points. He uses personal stories at the correct juncture to counter the statistics.

It's a good speech in general even if I disagree with the message.

No, this is a good speech. Trump's speech is average at best.

 

[Klocker]

So the police will suddenly be able to stop all violence and will no longer be at risk from some lone wolf crazy sniping them, because Trump is in the WH?

Ok.

 

[Already Torn]

There's just a few random paragraphs about the tragedy of the increase of gun deaths in this country, that's never really addressed 🤔

Anyone who endorses violence, hatred or oppression is not welcome in our country and never will be.

🤔🤔🤔

 

[Ekai]

Drumpf you don't give a shit about the LBGT community, so please stop saying that you do. I'm really getting sick and tired of hearing the fake concerns about us at this convention, it really is revolting.

Especially since they're so quick to flip back to hating us a second later. If they gave a damn about anyone but themselves they wouldn't be Republican in the first place.

 

[Xe4]

No, this is a good speech. Trump's speech is average at best.

It's not going to win awards or go down in History books, but it's a good speech for him, and has the right language to bring those on the fence to him, which is bad.

 

[Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew]

Great marketing.

 

[chadskin]

The Trump campaign did not respond to a question about how the draft might have leaked.

But a senior Republican operative working behind the scenes at the convention called the leak " a disaster” that proved that Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his team “just aren't ready for prime time.”

The drafts obtained by Correct the Record were in a single document formatted for a TelePrompTer, and were time-stamped from the early afternoon.

The document began circulating in political and journalism circles and POLITICO obtained a draft of it soon after 5 p.m., but refrained from publishing it until verifying its authenticity.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...leak-hillary-clinton-pac-225981#ixzz4F5b0clmo

 

[B-Dubs]

It's not going to win awards or go down in History books, but it's a good speech for him, and has the right language to bring those on the fence to him, which is bad.

The bold is my point, you're grading him on a curve. You expected bloody diarrhea and got regular diarrhea instead. That doesn't make it good.

 

[Funky Papa]

No, this is a good speech. Trump's speech is average at best.

In terms of merit, absolutely. But this speech is not about winning literary awards, but reaching to his supporters and independents. Trump will have to make it work, but its damn well targeted.

 

[Jarmel]

No, this is a good speech. Trump's speech is average at best.

Obama generally does great speeches. You're the one looking at it on a curve. Average speeches would be stuff Romney did or a number of Bernie speeches. I would have to re-read McCain's acceptance speech but I don't remember it being notable.

 

[Lord Error]

"We will dedicate infinite resources and funds to everything!"

 

[darkistheway]

I gotta say that was a stunning blast of pipe-dream rhetoric.

 

[B-Dubs]

In terms of merit, absolutely. But this speech is not about winning literary awards, but reaching his supporters and independents. Trump will have to make it work, but its damn well targeted.

Obama generally does great speeches. You're the one looking at it on a curve. Average speeches would be stuff Romney did or a number of Bernie speeches. I would have to re-read McCain's acceptance speech but I don't remember it being notable.

This speech is middling at best and does nothing to reach out to anyone who isn't already with Trump. You're the one grading him on a curve.

 

[Boke1879]

It's not going to win awards or go down in History books, but it's a good speech for him, and has the right language to bring those on the fence to him, which is bad.

I'll say this. If those on the fence were looking for THIS sort of speech to sway their vote after the shit Trump has said before then wow.

It's amazing to me because Trump truly can't pivot. He could knock this speech out of the park based on expectations. Yet tomorrow he could go on a crazy rant about whatever. Him in any public setting is a firecracker ready to go off.

 

[Klocker]

"We will dedicate infinite resources and funds to everything!"

"All while taking in less revenue! I is a business man..."

 

[Revolver]

Repealing 501(c)(3) honestly scares me. Churches are bad enough with their wink wink proselytizing for the GOP but without that law they'll turn into full fledged recruitment centers. I wonder if he'll make mosques exempt from the law too? Yeah right.

The speech itself reads like boilerplate right wing talking points. The bar is so low for him the press will probably give him a pass and declare it a success.

 

[Apdiddy]

It will all be in the delivery.
If he sounds like low energy "Teleprompter Trump" it will be weak. But it could come off well if he actually bothered to read it before hand and practiced.

Trump? Reading before hand and practicing?

His attention span is of a gnat. I doubt very seriously he'll even practice.

It'll be a train wreck to watch. We'll either see him wing it or try to stick with the speech and barely sound enthused.

 

[sflufan]

I gotta say that was a stunning blast of pipe-dream rhetoric.

Welcome to nominating convention speeches.

 

[adj_noun]

We will be a country of generosity and warmth. But we will also be a country of law and order.

On January 21st of 2017, the day after I take the oath of office, Americans will finally wake up in a country where the laws of the United States are enforced. We are going to be considerate and compassionate to everyone.

We love you BUT DON'T STEP OUT OF LINE D:< we celebrate warmth BY FINALLY ENFORCING THE GODDAMN LAW D:<

 

[Cat Party]

I can't remember a candidate that didn't have a good convention speech. The fact is everyone's going to forget once he goes on to say something stupid again or Hillary announces her VP.

I'm really just wondering to see if he ends up ad libbing, cause you fucking know he will.

This.

 

[Suikoguy]

Welcome to nominating convention speeches.

Republicans promise everything while cutting taxes
Democrats promise everything while not cutting taxes.

There is a distinct difference.

 

[Lord Error]

"All while taking in less revenue! I is a business man..."

Yeah, I was going to add "While also lowering taxes!"

But to be fair I have no idea what his tax plan is. For all I know, his plan could be to tax the big businesses and richest through the nose, while taxing regular people less. His rhetoric hints at that... bot somehow I doubt it.

 

[Jarmel]

This speech is middling at best and does nothing to reach out to anyone who isn't already with Trump. You're the one grading him on a curve.

The speech gives meat to his base but also evokes a 'worrying', but not bossy, tone that will play well with independents. The Sarah Root story will probably connect emotionally with moderates.

It's much better for moderates than Cruz's speech last night.

 

[Version 3.0]

It's a good speech. Damn it. Sure, it's filled with distorted facts, half-truths, and plausible-sounding outright lies, but that's the problem. It sounds believable.

In contrast to the clusterfuck of a week they've had, I fully expect (if it's delivered competently) the media to run with the "he nailed it" or "Trump looked presidential" narrative.

 

[Xe4]

I'll say this. If those on the fence were looking for THIS sort of speech to sway their vote after the shit Trump has said before then wow.

It's amazing to me because Trump truly can't pivot. He could knock this speech out of the park based on expectations. Yet tomorrow he could go on a crazy rant about whatever. Him in any public setting is a firecracker ready to go off.

This speech makes him seem presidential *shudder*. It changes regular whistles to dog whistles, overt Naziism to covert Naziism. It makes it so it seems to most that he cares about matters, when he's really just spewing BS. It's a speech a normal republican would make, and that's what more traditional republicans and right leaning independents on the fence are looking for.

 

[Funky Papa]

This speech is middling at best and does nothing to reach out to anyone who isn't already with Trump. You're the one grading him on a curve.

If well delivered, they'll eat it up. Its pure, undiluted right wing populist porn. And while it won't win over any Clinton voters, it may grab a bunch of independents wary of her.

That makes it a great speech, in my opinion. Trump being generally unlikeable and uncapable of delivering two long sentences together also helps, of course.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

I agree with Funky Papa.

Don't underestimate him.

Don't underestimate this speech.

I'm concerned. If he keeps his head on straight during these debates, he could totally pull this off.

It's not a great speech, but given the dumpster fire we've endured this whole time, it's a good speech for him that will do a whole lot for people who are on the fence.

 

[Nemesis121]

He's coming off like he's fucking Superman and can save American, lol.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

It's a good speech. Damn it. Sure, it's filled with distorted facts, half-truths, and plausible-sounding outright lies, but that's the problem. It sounds believable.

In contrast to the clusterfuck of a week they've had, I fully expect (if it's delivered competently) the media to run with the "he nailed it" or "Trump looked presidential" narrative.

It's easy to nail a script.
How presidential is he going to look in the debates though???
Good times ahead.

 

[Futureman]

This is an orchestrated leak. The real speech is 45 minutes of laying into Cruz.

 

[Xe4]

I agree with Funky Papa.

Don't underestimate him.

Don't underestimate this speech.

I'm concerned. If he keeps his head on straight during these debates, he could totally pull this off.

It's not a great speech, but given the dumpster fire we've endured this whole time, it's a good speech for him that will do a whole lot for people who are on the fence.

The debates I'm less concerned about, for the moment. He's up there on his own, without a team of others trying to moderate him. It allows Clinton to get under his skin, and probably make him say dumb shit.

Here, they have him on a leash, which is worrying.

 

[User 463088]

I think there's some confusion as to the purpose of a convention speech.

Obviously the people there are going to eat it up. That's a given. Like, totally. The purpose of this is to appeal to the 30 million people who are going to watch it.

What in this speech is going to help him with people of color?
What in this speech is going to erase his hateful rhetoric?
There is no hope in this speech. There is no appeal to the greatness of America and Americans.

There is hate, and fear, and hate. And then some xenophobia.

 

[Already Torn]

I think there's some confusion as to the purpose of a convention speech.

Obviously the people there are going to eat it up. That's a given. Like, totally. The purpose of this is to appeal to the 30 million people who are going to watch it.

What in this speech is going to help him with people of color?
What in this speech is going to erase his hateful rhetoric?
There is no hope in this speech. There is no appeal to the greatness of America and Americans.

There is hate, and fear, and hate. And then some xenophobia.

What do you mean hateful rhetoric? There's a line about compassion right after the paragraph about banning Islam.

 

[Funky Papa]

I agree with Funky Papa.

Don't underestimate him.

Don't underestimate this speech.

I'm concerned. If he keeps his head on straight during these debates, he could totally pull this off.

It's not a great speech, but given the dumpster fire we've endured this whole time, it's a good speech for him that will do a whole lot for people who are on the fence.

I expect him to be utterly decimated at the debates. No matter how well he delivers today's speech, Hillary will probably get under his skin in no time. He's an egotistical, ignorant jackass surrounded by yes men. A skilled politician like Hillary couldn't ask for an easier prey. If she can't, well...

 

[minor effort]

I think there's some confusion as to the purpose of a convention speech.

Obviously the people there are going to eat it up. That's a given. Like, totally. The purpose of this is to appeal to the 30 million people who are going to watch it.

What in this speech is going to help him with people of color?
What in this speech is going to erase his hateful rhetoric?
There is no hope in this speech. There is no appeal to the greatness of America and Americans.

There is hate, and fear, and hate. And then some xenophobia.

Thank you. Plus, there isn't some fresh-faced, charismatic, skilled politician hopping on stage this evening to deliver this speech. There's only Donald Trump to deliver this bitter, pessimistic speech, carrying all the baggage and negativity Donald Trump has already accrued. This will play to his base and get them fired up, but I'm not expecting a transformative moment.

 

[Sianos]

It's exactly what the world has come to expect from Donald Trump, except written in complete sentences. This speech will appeal to the people that already found Trump appealing and horrify those who already found him horrifying. People may celebrate Trump's newfound ability to utilize The Sentence to convey ideas and do their best to claim that the heat is indeed dead, but ultimately nothing will change.

And that's IF he gets through without mentioning Lyin' Ted or Plagiarizin' Melania. Because after this week's events, he is PISSED.