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Gabe from Penny-Arcade pwns IGN
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Kung Fu Jedi
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Dr_Cogent said:
I agree the game does make you feel like a badass once you get all the weapons and moves and master the timing, which really doesn't take long. I loved the setting too, so exploring those ancient cites was cool, although in AC2 I'd like to see more unique things for you to find and interact with.
Running and scaling is fun, but once you get the hang of it, there really isn't any skill required. The animations while he moved were spot on and sometimes just amazing to watch though, and the cinematic fight sequences are great. I did the same thing as you, just picking fights because you could kick everyones ass and dispatch with them in so many fun ways.
An enjoyable experience in every sense of the word.
Kabuki Waq
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AC is a 7.0 game. I hate IGN reviews but this time Gabe came out looking like an ass.
InterMoniker
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So perfect :lolpubba said:
Suburban Cowboy
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game rankings has the game a little over 80%. looks like youre as "way off" as 1up and IGNDr_Cogent said:
Kittonwy said:
I haven't played Assassin's Creed yet. That is what Gabe was proposing. People were frustrated by monotony because they were rushing through the experience. Which is why I found it odd that, after reading that criticism, someone from IGN who logged 40 hours into the game would assume he was the target.
You know, this boils down to Gabe just pointing out that all the big review houses hurry through a game to completion in order to tag a number on it. He's saying that if you actually take your time to enjoy a game, rather than rushing through it, you're going to have a different experience, and this is one of the games that exemplifies that.Kabuki Waq said:
I haven't played it, so I can't personally put a score on it, but I see what he's saying, and can absolutely agree with the concept. I wouldn't say Gabe looks like an ass, but he's just fighting back against someone else attacking him, and doing his best to flame back.
No Means Nomad
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Yes, he did say the reviews had "bad" scores.Phoenix 2.0 said:
It's dismissive of other people's opinions overall, which kind of my problem with it. But seriously, this doesn't matter at all.Gabe said:
Phoenix 2.0
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Nope. He said it got bad reviews, not that it got bad scores.
I know not everyone sees the difference, but there is one.
I know not everyone sees the difference, but there is one.
No Means Nomad
Banned
By that logic he would be implying every review with a lower than "fantastic" score is poorly written and lacks substantial backing of it's ideas.Phoenix 2.0 said:
No. That doesn't make any sense at all! I think he makes a decent point about how games can be reviewed poorly, though his bitching about the actual score is stupid, given his recent feelings on the matter. The two can be unrelated and should be, given how small of an aspect the score is and how much context is required for it.No Means Nomad said:
Uhhh ...Mercutio said:
Gabe said:
Phoenix 2.0
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It has nothing to do with scores. He thought the reviews were bad because the issues they complained about (repetitiveness and whatever) was something he didn't experience when he played the game.No Means Nomad said:
Whatever, I can't believe I'm still talking about this. It seems we both don't really care and are arguing for argument's sake. I bid you adieu, sir.
fallout said:
Yeah. More or less, it was just an excuse on his part to throw in an extra "do you have any idea how popular we are?" dig.
EDIT: Heh, yeah. I tend to spend a lot of time listening to the radio or podcasts while I work though, and I figured it wouldn't be that bad after I read his note on Penny Arcade yesterday. How wrong I was.
Well, if you were keen, you would have just waited for the rest of the internet to find the offending area and post it ... as has been done at least 3 or 4 times in this thread. I think someone even extracted the "rant" and posted it on putfile. To finish my analogy, this would be like waiting to see what happens when your friends all die of heroin overdoses!
Has PAX bussiness to do with AC?
From Wikipedia
Limited Editions
Announced in May of 2007, a Limited Collector's Edition will be released as well. However, the Limited Edition version will only be available to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 owners. In addition to the game disc the Assassin's Creed Limited Edition will contain:
Collectible 3-inch figure
Penny Arcade comics
Mini strategy guide
Bonus disc including:
Winners of Assassin's Creed short film contest
Behind-the-scenes videos
Developer diaries
Trailers
Producer interviews
There is a second limited edition containing the game and a 10-inch Altaïr figure.
From Wikipedia
Limited Editions
Announced in May of 2007, a Limited Collector's Edition will be released as well. However, the Limited Edition version will only be available to PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 owners. In addition to the game disc the Assassin's Creed Limited Edition will contain:
Collectible 3-inch figure
Penny Arcade comics
Mini strategy guide
Bonus disc including:
Winners of Assassin's Creed short film contest
Behind-the-scenes videos
Developer diaries
Trailers
Producer interviews
There is a second limited edition containing the game and a 10-inch Altaïr figure.
Gabe's review of the review, complete with his reviewer gameplaying analysis and pity came off as damage control, pure and simple.
I think we can all agree that Assassin's Creed is a mixed offering at best, which is reflected in many reviews. It didn't click with everyone. An objective person wouldn't feel compelled to champion the game in the way he did, which was to discredit other people's views.
I find it especially telling that Penny Arcade used three comic strips to literally nitpick various aspects of much better reviewed Mass Effect, but didn't feel it necessary to point out the ridiculous levels of repetition, the counter attack-only requirements for fighting, or the parkour for dummies aspects of Assassin's Creed.
They could have at least made a comic strip all in monochrome to celebrate Ubisoft's utterly washed out colour-scheme, or perhaps a strip using the same room three times to illustrate how fucking boring those Guild House conversations were. The well is deep for their brand of commentary but the game got a free pass. When it was topical to satirize Assassin's Creed they decided to do two back to back comics on Facebook instead.
For these reasons I suspect an ulterior motive is at work.
I think we can all agree that Assassin's Creed is a mixed offering at best, which is reflected in many reviews. It didn't click with everyone. An objective person wouldn't feel compelled to champion the game in the way he did, which was to discredit other people's views.
I find it especially telling that Penny Arcade used three comic strips to literally nitpick various aspects of much better reviewed Mass Effect, but didn't feel it necessary to point out the ridiculous levels of repetition, the counter attack-only requirements for fighting, or the parkour for dummies aspects of Assassin's Creed.
They could have at least made a comic strip all in monochrome to celebrate Ubisoft's utterly washed out colour-scheme, or perhaps a strip using the same room three times to illustrate how fucking boring those Guild House conversations were. The well is deep for their brand of commentary but the game got a free pass. When it was topical to satirize Assassin's Creed they decided to do two back to back comics on Facebook instead.
For these reasons I suspect an ulterior motive is at work.
MrNyarlathotep
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Phoenix 2.0 said:
This is why I fully believe that the reviewer on IGN did exactly what Gabe was commenting on - namely rush through it to meet a deadline rather than taking time to enjoy it, and therefore took it as a personal attack when the original post was clearly a hypothetical generalisation.
EDIT: In all fairness, with the amount of games all getting released in a bunch right now, if I was a paid reviewer I'm not entirely sure I'd be willing to take the time I 'should' over each one.
Phoenix 2.0
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Dammit, I said I would stay away, but I just have to post this:Dyno said:
Gabe on Assassin's Creed said:
Gabe on Mass Effect said:
Do you see the difference? He really likes one game, and doesn't like the other game that much. Is it then really so strange that he does nitpicking strips about the game he doesn't like and defends the game he does like?
Why search for an ulterior motive when plain and simple "subjective opinion" works much better as a reason?
Occam's Razor, my friend. The simplest solution is the best. Choose the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities.
Here we go again! You people are turning me into a Penny Arcade apologist and while I do enjoy PA, it mostly has to do with people getting things completely wrong.
After about hour three, there was enough information present about the setting to buoy the game events, and I was enraptured. Before this, I mostly found myself frustrated by performance dips and pronounced texture pops - Gears of War fans will recognize this second one, and its source in the Unreal Engine, almost immediately. Now, with the girders of their context firmly set, I don't even notice these occasional intrusion of these things. There is only a constantly unfurling space opera of profoundly humbling scope.
If you're wondering why Gabe didn't care as much for it ... well, that's probably because he's not normally into RPGs and had to be "forced to play it" (as was mentioned in today's newspost). And don't PA have some kind of Microsoft moneyhats? I mean, come on. Get your baseless accusations in line, people!
Yes! It sure was interesting how Tycho wrote glowingly about the game!Dyno said:
After about hour three, there was enough information present about the setting to buoy the game events, and I was enraptured. Before this, I mostly found myself frustrated by performance dips and pronounced texture pops - Gears of War fans will recognize this second one, and its source in the Unreal Engine, almost immediately. Now, with the girders of their context firmly set, I don't even notice these occasional intrusion of these things. There is only a constantly unfurling space opera of profoundly humbling scope.
If you're wondering why Gabe didn't care as much for it ... well, that's probably because he's not normally into RPGs and had to be "forced to play it" (as was mentioned in today's newspost). And don't PA have some kind of Microsoft moneyhats? I mean, come on. Get your baseless accusations in line, people!
This may be difficult to understand, but the guys at Penny Arcade attempt to make comics about things that they feel they can make funny. If you listen to their podcast (which is just an eavesdrop on them thinking up the comic), you'll hear them throw around a ton of ideas and stick with whatever sounds the funniest to them.
No Means Nomad
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Lock up your daughters.Dyno said:
Phoenix 2.0 said:
If he left the issue with his subjective opinion then that would be fine, but he went out of his way explaining why professional reviewers were ill-equipped to properly critique Assassin's Creed.
When this level of defense is summoned for a company that shares a very tight and long-standing relationship with PA, then Occam's Razor starts to point in an entirely different but all too common direction.
It's not just game advertising money, of which there has been plenty. Ubisoft has commissioned them for artwork for many of their titles. Gabe championing this game might be seen as a conflict of interest.
SailorDaravon said:
Sorry for such late quote. I agree with you when I read it. At first I figured he's right to assume that. But then I realized, the reviewer were just as every other man WITH A JOB have to do, and that's to play a game either if its just his hobby or not. I feel that a reviewer is a every working guy with a gaming hobby. So any game that's NOT made for working dudes would be felt for sure either way. :\
Gatekeeper
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Can we please add Occam's Razor to the list of banned memes? Too many people on this board think having knowledge of the term automatically means they know how to properly apply it.
I listened to the podcast segment in question (just that part referring to AC and Gabe...there's no way I could stand much more), and I still fail to see how it refutes Gabe's comments. It sounds to me exactly like the guy didn't understand the future segments of the game. He says they're irrelevant to the story. They are the story. They're the catalyst for the 1191 elements, so they have to be there.
And the suggestion that Gabe sit and do his comics and, by implication, let the "real" reviewers do their Serious Business is hilarious.
And the suggestion that Gabe sit and do his comics and, by implication, let the "real" reviewers do their Serious Business is hilarious.
RogueHobbit
Neo Member
They're both acting childish. Jeff a little more so because he chose to get offended over a blog post that didn't mention him by name.
Still, it's stupid and both should take a step back, apologize and act like professionals.
Still, it's stupid and both should take a step back, apologize and act like professionals.
Uno Ill Nino
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I think if you haven't played Assassin's Creed, you should stop talking about it's quality as if you know a goddamned thing about it. That means about 70% of the people in here really need to shut the hell up already. Christ.
bigdaddygamebot
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That articale by Gabe regarding his "counter-review" of AC was what finally pushed me into buying the game. It's so easy to get into a reviewer's state of mind instead of someone that just likes to play games and wants to play one they enjoy.
I enjoy AC...a great deal and it could score a 4.0 for all I care.
With that said, Penny Arcade slagging IGN is a bit of a mistake as IGN isn't exactly the worst of review sites/magazines out there.
There's one magazine I can think of that gives a 7 / 10 to a game for simply booting up properly when you put it in a console with an additional +1.0 bonus if it happens to be a platformer.
Methinks Penny Arcade started a war...atleast...I hope they did.
I enjoy AC...a great deal and it could score a 4.0 for all I care.
With that said, Penny Arcade slagging IGN is a bit of a mistake as IGN isn't exactly the worst of review sites/magazines out there.
There's one magazine I can think of that gives a 7 / 10 to a game for simply booting up properly when you put it in a console with an additional +1.0 bonus if it happens to be a platformer.
Methinks Penny Arcade started a war...atleast...I hope they did.
dirtmonkey37
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And to relate this all to Assassin's Creed's superbly conceived and presented story (this may be somewhat of a spoiler although I'm willing to bet most people won't understand it until they've played the game; it's one of those "underlying theme" matters): " 'bad' is relative...[often times] people's intentions are good but the way the go about realizing these intentions is bad."
Gabe: You had good intentions with the post; I'm just convinced you could have taken some precautions to completely prevent this ordeal altogether. As is, the piece you wrote on Assassin's Creed, when examined technically, does not actually "attack" any of the critics who reviewed Assassin's Creed. But, it's written in such a way that the comment has the potential to be misconstrued (which is what just happened...).
I find it would have been better to have more carefully worded the blog-entry to definitively avert all probable commotion. But, since the piece was sparked by good intentions and the chance that the IGN editor may have accidentally misinterpreted your message, it's easy to forgive...both sides of the argument.
Gabe: You had good intentions with the post; I'm just convinced you could have taken some precautions to completely prevent this ordeal altogether. As is, the piece you wrote on Assassin's Creed, when examined technically, does not actually "attack" any of the critics who reviewed Assassin's Creed. But, it's written in such a way that the comment has the potential to be misconstrued (which is what just happened...).
I find it would have been better to have more carefully worded the blog-entry to definitively avert all probable commotion. But, since the piece was sparked by good intentions and the chance that the IGN editor may have accidentally misinterpreted your message, it's easy to forgive...both sides of the argument.
electricpirate
Member
More of the issue I think was the rediculous burt hurtedness of the IGN guy's rant. Gabes post read less like a fresh war and more like grinding his boot into an already defeated opponent.
No comment on the review of a review, can't play AC with a RRoD 360.
Todays comic was great though, love the two character interactions.
No comment on the review of a review, can't play AC with a RRoD 360.
Todays comic was great though, love the two character interactions.